How healthy is dry herb vaping?

[Truth Seeker]

How healthy is dry herb vaping?

Well folks after a good year on/off buying different vapes, reading tons of info on forums and websites etc. I've come to the conclusion dry herb vaping is not safe long term, possibly a lot healthier than combustion but overall it will cause similar damage to the delicate airways in the human body.

I tried going the vape route yet seemed to encounter more problems with the throat than I ever did with combustion yet there were benefits to breathing and my lungs. Overall vaping will cause damage to the body as will combustion. I'm going the tincture/edible route for now but since I sing and play music I'm going to abstain from vaping with the current data I've seen and the studies I've read basically all say there is no safe inhalation method. Hope everyone is well and enjoying the holidays!

Re: Vaping and the voice/singing I'm posting a few links to some articles I came across that weren't research studies but an actual clinical observation by a Doctor who deals with singers and this greatly enlightened me as I thought vaping an answer to smoking. Willie Nelson cancelled some concerts recently due to breathing issues and I think he's been using the surfer a long time now probably never quit combusting either but it looks like his usage is taking a toll on him as he's very healthy otherwise and performs constantly. I guess everything is cumulative when it comes down to singers and any kind of abuse to the voice box and throat. Someone said here in a post to "vape in moderation" I guess that was good advice. Maybe that will work?

https://www.ohniww.org/marijuana-voice-injury/

https://www.ohniww.org/smoking-marijuana-voice/

https://www.ohniww.org/edible-marijuana-affect-voice/

 

[Schlumples]

Breathing clean air is of course healthier. But in comparison to smoking, of course it's safer. Much. Words cannot begin to express how much healthier I feel after switching from smoking to vaping both cigs and MJ. Anybody who ever suggested to you that it was safe - full stop - is certainly mistaken on that, but I've never seen that claim made, personally. Every claim I've ever seen made was with regards to harm reduction. So I'm not really seeing the point here. If your conclusion is that edibles/tinctures are better for your throat than vaping, I mean, yes of course that's true. And if you've got throat issues then at the very least vaping less is a good idea, if not fully switching to edibles etc.

 

[Truth Seeker]

Breathing clean air is of course healthier. But in comparison to smoking, of course it's safer. Much. Words cannot begin to express how much healthier I feel after switching from smoking to vaping both cigs and MJ. Anybody who ever suggested to you that it was safe - full stop - is certainly mistaken on that, but I've never seen that claim made, personally. Every claim I've ever seen made was with regards to harm reduction. So I'm not really seeing the point here. If your conclusion is that edibles/tinctures are better for your throat than vaping, I mean, yes of course that's true. And if you've got throat issues then at the very least vaping less is a good idea, if not fully switching to edibles etc.

Thanks for your response. I actually have read claims where people think it's "healthy" for the respiratory system. I guess it's the moderation thing too...you vape too much and the possibly for problems probably increase dramatically and it does seem vaping has it's own set of problems which are different than combustion such as excessive throat dryness etc.

Vaping does seem way healthier on my breathing too but the irritation of throat and excessive dryness especially hitting a vape without a water tool is a significant negative to dry herb vaping, some folks go to Rosin or concentrates to avoid the irritation. I guess I'm just bringing up an unpopular topic but something that I'm sure is of interest to many people who have had to deal with the negatives of flower vaping at various times.

 

[Andreaerdna]

full convection vapes are the less throat/lungs friendly. You need to suck a lot of dry hot air to get them working. the other type of vapes, like pax or vapcap, delivers a thicker vapor without long draws, allowing even for mouth pull (do not know pax, Vapcap for sure) the vapor tastes more roasted but they are way gentler on my throat and lungs. problem is I love fresh grassy taste of convection and i love gentle vapor. Solo is kind of good compromise between IMO

 

[invertedisdead]

My buddy swears that as gross as a combustion smoke bong is, that it cleans easier than sticky condensed vapor, and for that reason he's still not sold on vaporization. The combustion bong looks/smells horrible but it's true you can stick a q tip up a resiny bowl and most of the resin will come right out. With a vaporizer the q tip would just stick to the condensed reclaim and pull all the fibers out.

 

[Schlumples]

Thanks for your response. I actually have read claims where people think it's "healthy" for the respiratory system. I guess it's the moderation thing too...you vape too much and the possibly for problems probably increase dramatically and it does seem vaping has it's own set of problems which are different than combustion such as excessive throat dryness etc.

Vaping does seem way healthier on my breathing too but the irritation of throat and excessive dryness especially hitting a vape without a water tool is a significant negative to dry herb vaping, some folks go to Rosin or concentrates to avoid the irritation. I guess I'm just bringing up an unpopular topic but something that I'm sure is of interest to many people who have had to deal with the negatives of flower vaping at various times.

I don't experience the throat dryness. I also don't vape a ton, though. More now that I've started using CBD flower as well, but still I'm a pretty light toker so to speak. For sure, moderation is key for everything. I guess I shouldn't be surprised that somebody out there would promote vaping as 'healthy' for the respiratory system but man, that's a silly position to take.

Edibles are fantastic IMO so if I felt a need to not vape, that's certainly what I'd go for. Never tried tinctures but I imagine they're just as good as edibles.

 

[TommyDee]

I read a recent report on esophageal cancer. They were blaming it on hot tea. It is an interesting observation. If just the thermal implications of tea can be associated with cancers, then a hot vape over time could also become a factor. I am very mindful of redirecting hot gasses with my tongue, the sacrificial body part. People tell me to hold my tongue all the time so no big loss.

link

 

[Diggy Smalls]

Ok, so dry herb vaping will dry your throat out, but there is a really simple answer. Drink some water. Seriously. Sometimes I pop a cough drop after a lot of vaping, but water works great and it's healthy.
As far as throat irritation, I used to feel it, but don't generally have much irritation anymore. It reminds me of when I first started smoking I would cough a lot, but as I did it more, I coughed less and less.

To the original poster: I get what you're saying about preserving your throat for singing and I think you should do what you think is best. It's your body and you know it better than we do. Willie Nelson has smoked so many years and I am pretty sure he is a very heavy user for a long time, so I'm not sure he is an example of the effects of dry herb vaping.

 

[TommyDee]

I just get the extra mucus and sputum from the body processing the vape. That in itself can be detrimental to a refined voice. I don't have that kind of voice but I definitely noticed a difference during and after vape sessions.

 

[C No Ego]

My buddy swears that as gross as a combustion smoke bong is, that it cleans easier than sticky condensed vapor, and for that reason he's still not sold on vaporization. The combustion bong looks/smells horrible but it's true you can stick a q tip up a resiny bowl and most of the resin will come right out. With a vaporizer the q tip would just stick to the condensed reclaim and pull all the fibers out.

the sticky resin mixed with smoke would not adhere as well as the resin alone via vapor... smoking is a form of vaporizing too... the heat cinder vaporizes nearby molecules and releases them via heat... with smoke, there is all that smoke too along with the vaporized parts. the medical parts are the sticky resinous secretions ( trichome / phytocannabinoids) and that is the part we want to ingest...

 

[invertedisdead]

the sticky resin mixed with smoke would not adhere as well as the resin alone via vapor... smoking is a form of vaporizing too... the heat cinder vaporizes nearby molecules and releases them via heat... with smoke, there is all that smoke too along with the vaporized parts. the medical parts are the sticky resinous secretions ( trichome / phytocannabinoids) and that is the part we want to ingest...

Yeah I'm familiar with all of that but heres a harder question - if vaporization is extracting/preserving all these extra cannabinoids in a more bioavailable format compared to combustion, why do my friends require SO many more inhalations with the flower vape to reach desired effect?

It's not that vapor doesn't work for them either, as a rosin dab or pen hit does the trick just fine.

 

[TommyDee]

It is hard to coax the best THC out of vaped herb. In my view so far (4 months in) is that the stuff that got us high while combustion are from the vape that is release at the edge of combusting.

But I have another level of possibilities. I don't hear about this too often but it is my story and I swear it to be true. I can smoke myself straight. Funny as it sounds, I use one strain from many farms. When I was using the bong, I'd be straight in mind before the evening is out on 1/2-gram if it had a THC content greater than 20%. I went out of my way to get 18-20% Blue Dream. Body effects for the duration, definitely, but nothing in the heady department. This is my medical need for pain and cramps. Pain is easy; cramps is not. I've spent 3 years getting this all under control after 1/2 a lifetime of suffering debilitating conditions. 1/2-gram blue dream daily. Since vaping I haven't been really high. Nothing like I know I can be while combusting. I work at darkening my ABV. And I consume my ABV for the remaining 'noids knowing full well that most of it is CBD after vaping. I catch a buzz daily on the first vape. The more condensed the session, the more effects. Caveat, don't be doing CBD draws before your daily dose either... no high follows after that. Hell of a catch 22 when you like vaping but need to remain 'with it' for the main part of a day. "So just take a break" - which I can do however, medicinally I need to maintain a specific level. Letting that slide is tough enough to catch back up on. Even the requirement of vaping a 1/2-gram every day can get tedious! I easily catch myself falling behind on medicating. And I really do miss being high. However, I don't miss combustion.

And as an aside; anything that is consumed at combustion temps will change everything stated above. I cannot tolerate dabs. I understand how that could provide more complete extraction of both THC and other 'noids and 'loids. I have a Muad Dib with waterworks and I'll take the flavor hits but I will burn off most of it. That too is a very limited high.

Funny thing is, I could give up the high easier than the vaping It's a tough sell.

 

[Truth Seeker]

It is hard to coax the best THC out of vaped herb. In my view so far (4 months in) is that the stuff that got us high while combustion are from the vape that is release at the edge of combusting.

But I have another level of possibilities. I don't hear about this too often but it is my story and I swear it to be true. I can smoke myself straight. Funny as it sounds, I use one strain from many farms. When I was using the bong, I'd be straight in mind before the evening is out on 1/2-gram if it had a THC content greater than 20%. I went out of my way to get 18-20% Blue Dream. Body effects for the duration, definitely, but nothing in the heady department. This is my medical need for pain and cramps. Pain is easy; cramps is not. I've spent 3 years getting this all under control after 1/2 a lifetime of suffering debilitating conditions. 1/2-gram blue dream daily. Since vaping I haven't been really high. Nothing like I know I can be while combusting. I work at darkening my ABV. And I consume my ABV for the remaining 'noids knowing full well that most of it is CBD after vaping. I catch a buzz daily on the first vape. The more condensed the session, the more effects. Caveat, don't be doing CBD draws before your daily dose either... no high follows after that. Hell of a catch 22 when you like vaping but need to remain 'with it' for the main part of a day. "So just take a break" - which I can do however, medicinally I need to maintain a specific level. Letting that slide is tough enough to catch back up on. Even the requirement of vaping a 1/2-gram every day can get tedious! I easily catch myself falling behind on medicating. And I really do miss being high. However, I don't miss combustion.

And as an aside; anything that is consumed at combustion temps will change everything stated above. I cannot tolerate dabs. I understand how that could provide more complete extraction of both THC and other 'noids and 'loids. I have a Muad Dib with waterworks and I'll take the flavor hits but I will burn off most of it. That too is a very limited high.

Funny thing is, I could give up the high easier than the vaping It's a tough sell.

Great points! There's a very addictive quality to inhaling vapor especially with the flavors you just start longing for that taste!.......but a very experienced stoner on another forum who has the science down pretty tight told he feels he doesn't get the "full spectrum" effects from vaping like he does burning a J and thus burns J's all the time combined with edibles/tinctures.

I think he's right but the high I got from vaping I've never been that high combusting....The Volcano got me into outer space yet tore up my throat and the vape high seems to severely impact motor skills and is quite a "spacey" high and is a bit less balanced, edibles seem very unbalanced and combusting seems to turn on the "feel good" endorphins and the "everything is alright" endorphins unlike the other modalities imo.

 

[guipesa]

the sticky resin mixed with smoke would not adhere as well as the resin alone via vapor... smoking is a form of vaporizing too... the heat cinder vaporizes nearby molecules and releases them via heat... with smoke, there is all that smoke too along with the vaporized parts. the medical parts are the sticky resinous secretions ( trichome / phytocannabinoids) and that is the part we want to ingest...

Vaporization is nothing more than a change of state from solid (resin) to steam, when it cools it is re-condensed into resin with its adhesive properties in the throat and lungs, difficult to dilute. On the other hand, combustion is not a change of state is irreversible because it is understood that chemically it is worse for health, however it seems to be easier for the throat.

 

[C No Ego]

Yeah I'm familiar with all of that but heres a harder question - if vaporization is extracting/preserving all these extra cannabinoids in a more bioavailable format compared to combustion, why do my friends require SO many more inhalations with the flower vape to reach desired effect?

It's not that vapor doesn't work for them either, as a rosin dab or pen hit does the trick just fine.

I have the exact opposite reaction... if I smoke a joint I do not even get a buzz... I could break that joint up and make 4 or 5 fury loads and get a buzz 4 or 5 times from that . lots of smokers are stuck on soot, only liking the lethargic smoke only effects . vaping provides more of the acidic compound types for a more fresh effect while smoking oxidizes the process to the extreme .
the closest to smoking from a vape would be through a water piece and around 420-440 F

edit - @guipesa vapor is solid to Gas ( aerosol ) . if you are creating steam in the vapor it would be most definitely harsh on the throat

 

[Sparkpug]

I feel it depends on the device too.

I can't directly answer the OP since I don't sing but I have something called Beals syndrome. All of my bones are shaped "abnormally" to some degree. My lungs are much smaller than average and I was diagnosed with asthma and relied on an Albuterol inhaler like it was my safety blanket. I was always wheezing and never lost sight of where my inhaler was.

Around 7 years ago I started using cannabis for pain, in order to either (pipe dream) get off morphine, or maybe just reduce it (more realistic in that pursuit.) As it happens, THC is fantastic for breathing too. It makes my asthma and breathing problems go away. Every breath feels full and deep for as long as my high lasts, and longer seeing that I have stopped using my asthma inhaler almost completely. I saw my Dr a few months ago and she felt my breathing was perfect. I have no sign of any breathing problems, not even asthma, anymore.

I vaporize every day. With an E-Nano through water. I find vaporizing to be fantastic compared to smoking, for health reasons. I have no excess mucous build up, I've not had any problems with my lungs. I had the same positive experience with a Magic Flight Launch Box as well, pretty much any device where I can load a small amount in and get it in as few passes as possible. A device like the Plenty by Storz and Bickel is different. Due to having to use it in a session, even through water, it makes me wheeze and feel like I need to take a break constantly. Even though the wheezing is temporary and does go away, it doesn't feel like I am able to sustain its use regularly, especially multiple times a day.

I asked my mom, who is an RN, if she feels vaporizing cannabis has negatively impacted my health. She feels the opposite. She did tell me that she notices I do get "gunky" after I smoke.

However... I love how I feel physically after I smoke. My quest has been to try to find something that gives an equivalent feel. So far no. High heat in the Nano feels super heavy and "saturating", but nothing like how smoking it feels.

 

[Truth Seeker]

I feel it depends on the device too.

I can't directly answer the OP since I don't sing but I have something called Beals syndrome. All of my bones are shaped "abnormally" to some degree. My lungs are much smaller than average and I was diagnosed with asthma and relied on an Albuterol inhaler like it was my safety blanket. I was always wheezing and never lost sight of where my inhaler was.

Around 7 years ago I started using cannabis for pain, in order to either (pipe dream) get off morphine, or maybe just reduce it (more realistic in that pursuit.) As it happens, THC is fantastic for breathing too. It makes my asthma and breathing problems go away. Every breath feels full and deep for as long as my high lasts, and longer seeing that I have stopped using my asthma inhaler almost completely. I saw my Dr a few months ago and she felt my breathing was perfect. I have no sign of any breathing problems, not even asthma, anymore.

I vaporize every day. With an E-Nano through water. I find vaporizing to be fantastic compared to smoking, for health reasons. I have no excess mucous build up, I've not had any problems with my lungs. I had the same positive experience with a Magic Flight Launch Box as well, pretty much any device where I can load a small amount in and get it in as few passes as possible. A device like the Plenty by Storz and Bickel is different. Due to having to use it in a session, even through water, it makes me wheeze and feel like I need to take a break constantly. Even though the wheezing is temporary and does go away, it doesn't feel like I am able to sustain its use regularly, especially multiple times a day.

I asked my mom, who is an RN, if she feels vaporizing cannabis has negatively impacted my health. She feels the opposite. She did tell me that she notices I do get "gunky" after I smoke.

However... I love how I feel physically after I smoke. My quest has been to try to find something that gives an equivalent feel. So far no. High heat in the Nano feels super heavy and "saturating", but nothing like how smoking it feels.

Amazing testimony! I hear great things about the nano!

 

[C No Ego]

I feel it depends on the device too.

I can't directly answer the OP since I don't sing but I have something called Beals syndrome. All of my bones are shaped "abnormally" to some degree. My lungs are much smaller than average and I was diagnosed with asthma and relied on an Albuterol inhaler like it was my safety blanket. I was always wheezing and never lost sight of where my inhaler was.

Around 7 years ago I started using cannabis for pain, in order to either (pipe dream) get off morphine, or maybe just reduce it (more realistic in that pursuit.) As it happens, THC is fantastic for breathing too. It makes my asthma and breathing problems go away. Every breath feels full and deep for as long as my high lasts, and longer seeing that I have stopped using my asthma inhaler almost completely. I saw my Dr a few months ago and she felt my breathing was perfect. I have no sign of any breathing problems, not even asthma, anymore.

I vaporize every day. With an E-Nano through water. I find vaporizing to be fantastic compared to smoking, for health reasons. I have no excess mucous build up, I've not had any problems with my lungs. I had the same positive experience with a Magic Flight Launch Box as well, pretty much any device where I can load a small amount in and get it in as few passes as possible. A device like the Plenty by Storz and Bickel is different. Due to having to use it in a session, even through water, it makes me wheeze and feel like I need to take a break constantly. Even though the wheezing is temporary and does go away, it doesn't feel like I am able to sustain its use regularly, especially multiple times a day.

I asked my mom, who is an RN, if she feels vaporizing cannabis has negatively impacted my health. She feels the opposite. She did tell me that she notices I do get "gunky" after I smoke.

However... I love how I feel physically after I smoke. My quest has been to try to find something that gives an equivalent feel. So far no. High heat in the Nano feels super heavy and "saturating", but nothing like how smoking it feels.

phytocannabionoids are bronchodilators....
here is a report explaining somwwhat how - bile acids and cannabinoids https://duckduckgo.com/?q=bile+acids+and+cannabinoids&t=ffcm&atb=v165-1&ia=web

 

[kalel]

How healthy is dry herb vaping?

Well folks after a good year on/off buying different vapes, reading tons of info on forums and websites etc. I've come to the conclusion dry herb vaping is not safe long term, possibly a lot healthier than combustion but overall it will cause similar damage to the delicate airways in the human body.

I tried going the vape route yet seemed to encounter more problems with the throat than I ever did with combustion yet there were benefits to breathing and my lungs. Overall vaping will cause damage to the body as will combustion. I'm going the tincture/edible route for now but since I sing and play music I'm going to abstain from vaping with the current data I've seen and the studies I've read basically all say there is no safe inhalation method. Hope everyone is well and enjoying the holidays!

Re: Vaping and the voice/singing I'm posting a few links to some articles I came across that weren't research studies but an actual clinical observation by a Doctor who deals with singers and this greatly enlightened me as I thought vaping an answer to smoking. Willie Nelson cancelled some concerts recently due to breathing issues and I think he's been using the surfer a long time now probably never quit combusting either but it looks like his usage is taking a toll on him as he's very healthy otherwise and performs constantly. I guess everything is cumulative when it comes down to singers and any kind of abuse to the voice box and throat. Someone said here in a post to "vape in moderation" I guess that was good advice. Maybe that will work?

https://www.ohniww.org/marijuana-voice-injury/

https://www.ohniww.org/smoking-marijuana-voice/

https://www.ohniww.org/edible-marijuana-affect-voice/

You raise some good points.

I think what gets overlooked is that your not just heating up herb.

The heat passes over.

Rubber seals
Metal ( that overtime breaks down ) Sometime manufactuers dont even say what the heating element is or what the metal is that your herb sits on. I think this is a mistake.

 

[WOLFXXXXX]

My buddy swears that as gross as a combustion smoke bong is, that it cleans easier than sticky condensed vapor, and for that reason he's still not sold on vaporization. The combustion bong looks/smells horrible but it's true you can stick a q tip up a resiny bowl and most of the resin will come right out. With a vaporizer the q tip would just stick to the condensed reclaim and pull all the fibers out.

You can share this information with your buddy:

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/680982.Marijuana_Medical_Handbook

"A smoking device study, sponsored by California NORML and MAPS (the Multidisciplinary Association for Psychedelic Studies), found that waterpipes absorb more cannabinoids than carcinogenic tars [Gieringer119]. Therefore, in order to obtain the same effective dose of THC, a smoker would end up taking in at least 30% more tars from a waterpipe than from an unfiltered joint. The more thorough the water filtration, the lower the proportion of THC to total tars, and the greater the amount of THC wasted by absorption in the pipe water."

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/8264272-the-pot-book

"Water pipes (bongs) are so ubiquitous that they deserve comment here. Because water pipes cool the smoke, they have the potential to decrease the negative effects of heat, including inflammation. Nevertheless, despite popular belief, water pipes do not appear to decrease the amount of tar and particles in smoke (Doblin 1994). A detailed analysis of the smoke extracted from water pipes, an early version of the vaporizer, and standard joints examined the ratio of THC to tars. Although THC is not water soluble, the water appeared to trap some of the THC, leading to less total THC and an unfavorable ratio of THC to tars. The ratio of THC to tars was actually superior in the standard joint. Unfortunately and again despite popular belief, the decrease in THC may lead some users to smoke more cannabis through a water pipe than they might with a standard joint. Smoking more may create increased deposits of tar and particles in the lungs. Thus, the water pipe is not a panacea for all cannabis-induced respiratory problems."

 

[uncanni]

You can share this information

Great information from two of my most trusted sources: I love The Pot Book and Ed R.

 

[invertedisdead]

but a very experienced stoner on another forum who has the science down pretty tight told he feels he doesn't get the "full spectrum" effects from vaping like he does burning a J and thus burns J's all the time combined with edibles/tinctures.

I find those full bodied effects more-so come from adding in the edibles and tinctures than inhalation alone of any method.

You can share this information with your buddy:

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/680982.Marijuana_Medical_Handbook

"A smoking device study, sponsored by California NORML and MAPS (the Multidisciplinary Association for Psychedelic Studies), found that waterpipes absorb more cannabinoids than carcinogenic tars [Gieringer119]. Therefore, in order to obtain the same effective dose of THC, a smoker would end up taking in at least 30% more tars from a waterpipe than from an unfiltered joint. The more thorough the water filtration, the lower the proportion of THC to total tars, and the greater the amount of THC wasted by absorption in the pipe water."

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/8264272-the-pot-book

"Water pipes (bongs) are so ubiquitous that they deserve comment here. Because water pipes cool the smoke, they have the potential to decrease the negative effects of heat, including inflammation. Nevertheless, despite popular belief, water pipes do not appear to decrease the amount of tar and particles in smoke (Doblin 1994). A detailed analysis of the smoke extracted from water pipes, an early version of the vaporizer, and standard joints examined the ratio of THC to tars. Although THC is not water soluble, the water appeared to trap some of the THC, leading to less total THC and an unfavorable ratio of THC to tars. The ratio of THC to tars was actually superior in the standard joint. Unfortunately and again despite popular belief, the decrease in THC may lead some users to smoke more cannabis through a water pipe than they might with a standard joint. Smoking more may create increased deposits of tar and particles in the lungs. Thus, the water pipe is not a panacea for all cannabis-induced respiratory problems."

Outside of the tar component, the same logic here applies to vaping too. Water steals actives which requires more vaping to reach the desired dose. You could make the same claim for any vaporizer “cooling unit” as well. Yet when you take away the vapor cooling, a lot of the devices are
unusable for even the hardcore vape enthusiast.

It’s interesting that mainstream cannabis users overall seem to have an easier time smoking a joint than inhaling from a hot herb vape. The coolest vapor I can think of without requiring extraneous cooling is definitely from a cartridge pen, yet the dry herb vape community despises these. If I had to make a guess, it comes down to being far more energy efficient, causing much less kinetic energy during the decarboxylation reaction and vaporization process. And it’s interesting because the night and day battery life differences pretty much suggest this as well. Recently I started pondering on just how inefficient flower vaporizing is as an exothermal process.

 

[C No Ego]

I find those full bodied effects more-so come from adding in the edibles and tinctures than inhalation alone of any method.



Outside of the tar component, the same logic here applies to vaping too. Water steals actives which requires more vaping to reach the desired dose. You could make the same claim for any vaporizer “cooling unit” as well. Yet when you take away the vapor cooling, a lot of the devices are
unusable for even the hardcore vape enthusiast.

It’s interesting that mainstream cannabis users overall seem to have an easier time smoking a joint than inhaling from a hot herb vape. The coolest vapor I can think of without requiring extraneous cooling is definitely from a cartridge pen, yet the dry herb vape community despises these. If I had to make a guess, it comes down to being far more energy efficient, causing much less kinetic energy during the decarboxylation reaction and vaporization process. And it’s interesting because the night and day battery life differences pretty much suggest this as well. Recently I started pondering on just how inefficient flower vaporizing is as an exothermal process.

smoking is a form of vaporizing too ... the heat cinder is the vaporizer in that process ... the nearby actives will vaporize when near the heat of the cinder as the person inhales them in the slip stream while pulling heated air from the cinder

 

[invertedisdead]

smoking is a form of vaporizing too ... the heat cinder is the vaporizer in that process ... the nearby actives will vaporize when near the heat of the cinder as the person inhales them in the slip stream while pulling heated air from the cinder

Exactly. We’ve talked about it a few times before.

But I started thinking how, for example, four twenty second rips thru a Brick is super inefficient from an energy consumption perspective compared to torching the bowl for a second and letting it do its thing.

Vaporizing flower takes a lot of energy to do well.

 

[C No Ego]

Exactly. We’ve talked about it a few times before.

But I started thinking how, for example, four twenty second rips thru a Brick is super inefficient from an energy consumption perspective compared to torching the bowl for a second and letting it do its thing.

Vaporizing flower takes a lot of energy to do well.

indeed, and still the vaporizer will never reach any type of heat as is attained with a very small cinder that is hotter than Hell . if only there was not so much extra smoke by products that are purely toxic etc....