how can i get better flavour from bong vaping?

[daoist]

So, i have been vaping for a while. My setup is an Arizer extreme Q with sillicon whip attached to the bong. What i noticed is that i actually lose a lot of flavour from my vape when i vape through a bong. And i really wonder how i can improve this.

I try to fill each percolator with water to about 1/2 inch or 1 to 2cm above the percolator above the percolator. For some reason not a lot of flavour comes out, not as tasty as direct draws from the whip.

What am i doing wrong here? Should i fill the percolator chambers with even less water? I like the smoothness of the bong, but there is very little flavour. How can i improve? i have experimented a lot but have not find the perfect water level yet.

My bong is a Biohazard "XL showerhead" 45cm percolator bong which i show in the picture below.
Any advise on these percolators are welcome.

 

[MoltenTiger]

So, i have been vaping for a while. My setup is an Arizer extreme Q with sillicon whip attached to the bong. What i noticed is that i actually lose a lot of flavour from my vape when i vape through a bong. And i really wonder how i can improve this.

I try to fill each percolator with water to about 1/2 inch or 1 to 2cm above the percolator above the percolator. For some reason not a lot of flavour comes out, not as tasty as direct draws from the whip.

What am i doing wrong here? Should i fill the percolator chambers with even less water? I like the smoothness of the bong, but there is very little flavour. How can i improve? i have experimented a lot but have not find the perfect water level yet.

My bong is a Biohazard "XL showerhead" 45cm percolator bong which i show in the picture below.
Any advise on these percolators are welcome.

I used to use my EQ with whip and bong, it works quite well. I had several pieces back then, and they varied in size by a lot. Smaller pieces preserve the flavour better, less water helps, and minimal diffusion/percolation. I think a small hydratube would work quite well with the EQ, I once tried a nectar collector before chinese knock-off hydratubes took off. It worked okay for me, but when I was sharing it it was broken as it's just too many parts

But, a larger sturdier piece might work well. Looks like DHgate is down, but there are quite a few good value hydratubes available nowadays like this

 

[daoist]

I actually was not looking to replace the bong. Just looking for tips to improve the experience.
I may try to use it without any water. the vape still gets diffused.

 

[MoltenTiger]

try filling just one chamber. You could also try warm/hot water.

However, 45cm is very large for a vaporiser piece. Better suited to combustion, which is much harsher to begin with and benefits the most from taming.

Even with my GH, which has more flavour and denser vapour than the EQ, the flavour always lacked with my old 43cm piece, that much volume and air just dilutes and robs too much flavour

The D020 oil rig on the right preserved the flavour to an extent that can't be achieved with a bigger piece.

I only vape through oil rigs now, that pic is from 4 years ago now. The D020 was about $26 and pairs nicely with the EQ and whip

 

[Xelatsok]

Cold water, less water, smaller hits.

 

[MoltenTiger]

also a lower temp should have a stronger taste

 

[LabPong]

Whips loose taste..........get a setup that does not have that and you will be better on the taste front for sure. If you want taste.....all glass or almost all glass vapor path is the key.

 

[daoist]

I already bought the Arizer "all glass elbow with (glass screen built in ). It gets clogged easy and has more resistance. It just does not work very well in my opinion. the Silver Surfer whips and their SG19/SG14 parts are not available in europe, neither is the ddave mod (as far as i know).

I cleaned my bong and all my bowls, screens, whips, elbows etc with alcohol this morning.
I will do some experiments today and let you know how it went. Any tips are still welcome.

I also can put balloons on the bong with the a 14mm adapter. never tried it yet,
but i may do that later today.

 

[macbill]

Have you considered a pass w/o bong @ 365 F to maximize flavor extraction (no need for water filtration), then a pass @ 400 or above through your glass so as to harvest the rest of the "body high" cannabinoids? Every now and then, I like to use hot tap water, as this allows more moisture in the hit. It really conditions the hit. @lwein shared his secret years ago and I've never forgotten.

 

[chlorophyll_man]

I may try to use it without any water.

Hiya, I very rarely use water in my bongs/glass. I miss the flavour/terpenes too much as the water mutes this aspect of the vapour considerably, for me.
I get the feeling once you've tried your bong dry you'll never look back!

 

[ensabbahnur]

Agree with most everything posted above

Water doesn't do for vaping what it does for combusting so many folks just do away with it all together. Another key as mentioned is less glass/vapor travel in general usually equates to more flavor.

 

[tennisguru1]

Hiya, I very rarely use water in my bongs/glass. I miss the flavour/terpenes too much as the water mutes this aspect of the vapour considerably, for me.
I get the feeling once you've tried your bong dry you'll never look back!

Can't agree more, I'm using this and smaller "J" hook type glass adapters
on almost everything, using less water in even my 14mm
DT4, Sai, ESCC, Hybrid Cano ect...

 

[daoist]

I tried the bong without water yesterday. Unfortunately i upsidedown-grinded a bit to fine so lost most of the flavour anyway, even with direct bags and whip hits there was very little flavor.

I have to redo the experiments with better grind.
yesterday i found a brand new EQ balloon bag. so i was mostly doing that (also on the bong).
those bags work great.

I changed the humidity packs from 55% to 62% this week.
that 62% packs sure makes the herb smoother on my throat.

I start on 185 celsius btw. then i switch to 195 celsius.

 

[Ramahs]

If you vape through water then you will lose flavor that's just how it works. Physics and all that shit.

First, if you must vape through water, then have as few perks as possible/necessary is going to help preserve flavor (along with as little water as necessary as well). In other words, a simple and small water piece with a single downstem that has only one or two holes at the bottom, rather than multi-chamber perks like what the OP has will conserve more flavor. The more percolation you have, the more flavor you lose.

Second, the less surface area for your vapor to pass by before it enters your lungs, the more flavor you will conserve. This is because the cannabinoids that supply most of the flavors vape at lower temps, so naturally they re-condense at a lower temperature as well. In other words, all the more flavorful cannabinoids are also going to be the first ones to re-condense on any available surface after they leave the bowl. Therefore, the more distance, tubes, glass (surface area) that the vapor oils passes as they're on their way to your happily waiting lungs, the more flavor that they will leave on all the surfaces that the vapor passes through that never makes it to your waiting mouth and lungs.

 

[Cookiesaurus]

This is because the cannabinoids that supply most of the flavors vape at lower temps, so naturally they re-condense at a lower temperature as well. In other words, all the more flavorful cannabinoids are also going to be the first ones to re-condense on any available surface after they leave the bowl. Therefore, the more distance, tubes, glass (surface area) that the vapor oils passes as they're on their way to your happily waiting lungs, the more flavor that they will leave on all the surfaces that the vapor passes through that never makes it to your waiting mouth and lungs.

Great explanation. Never really did know why this was. Thanks!

 

[Ramahs]

Great explanation. Never really did know why this was. Thanks!

Thanks. I suspect that if you experiment with different glass water pieces, you could easily confirm what I said as well. I've done it myself.

 

[MoltenTiger]

A narrow mouthpiece seems to help too. I guess having a dense stream passing the taste receptors is the key to flavour town.

Some flavonoids and terpenes have higher boiling points than the targeted cannabinoids, but they all play an important part and it's perhaps ideal to retain as much as possible. Many could be water soluble. The plant is so versatile and is best enjoyed by mixing it up, and the EQ allows that in so many ways

 

[daoist]

the only way i get true good flavour is with hash or keef. not with flower.
but i cant always get hash from the strain i want. So i stick with flowers and mixing it up with keef is a real joy for the tastebuds.

I Still have not perfected my percolator levels. Although i think it works pretty well with
just one percolator used. While doing bong experiments i sort of found a brand new eq bag in a box, so i started messing around with that as well, inhaling bags trough a bong.

I like the bags a lot to be honest. i sort of rediscovered the extreme q using the bags.
i am thinking about buying the glass with glass screen built in to get rid of the metal mesh screen.

 

[Cereal4dinner]

TBH, id just get a smaller water piece for flavour.... its fun to own different pieces for different situations. I have a 9 inch tall incycler bong and i love the mix of smoothness and flavour.

A smaller shower head perc dab rig would be perfect for arizer q vaping. minimum diffusion with enough hydration and cooling for those dry herb vapes

 

[JHay]

Yeah, agree. Dry hits will produce the flavor. Also the shortest air patch possible will increase it as well. The smaller dab rigs work great for dry vaping produce great taste.

 

[GoldenBud]

Dry D020 gives excellent taste btw.

 

[daoist]

So which dab rigs or recyclers should i look for.
What would be the minimum size, what would be the maximum size. what is the best type percolator for a water-rig for vaping.

I have a xl showerhead bong. very smooth. but there is almost no flavour, even without the water in it most flavour is already gone by the time it hits my mouth. this is something i only found out after i bought it. whish i knew stuff like that sooner.

I still like it because of smooth big hits.

 

[MoltenTiger]

So which dab rigs or recyclers should i look for.
What would be the minimum size, what would be the maximum size. what is the best type percolator for a water-rig for vaping.

I have a xl showerhead bong. very smooth. but there is almost no flavour, even without the water in it most flavour is already gone by the time it hits my mouth. this is something i only found out after i bought it. whish i knew stuff like that sooner.

I still like it because of smooth big hits.

Can't go wrong with a mini beaker or incycler

https://www.dhgate.com/product/height-24cm-pink-honeycomb-smoking-water/242293606.html

https://www.dhgate.com/product/grace-glass-bong-spoiled-green-blue-speranza/410576226.html

In terms of min-max size, best percolator, etc. it does vary too much to really have any bounds. But 5"-12" is about the rough height range, and simple percs without much water will grant better flavour. It depends on the particular piece.

The two I've linked would be interesting to try - I do not have them, but they look pretty good to me.
The two hole downstem in the beaker usually do pretty good for flavour retention.

 

[howie105]

My favorite dry tasty hit pieces are the Magic Flight Orbiter which is like a 2.5" globe and a straight tube mini bong (9" tall, 1" bore). If I want to stack up a big hit and I need the volume then I have a bigger globe which is like a 6".

 

[daoist]

From which brand can you buy that d020-d bubbler? seems to be nameless chinese stuff.
Not that i have anything against that, if it works.

Dry D020 gives excellent taste btw.