House of Representatives Trying To Shut Down Planned Parenthood

[VWFringe]

I believe American's are a compassionate people, and if you asked them, do they want to go back to the days when abortions were illegal, and often resulted in the woman's death or disability, that they would say no, but even as the debate about preseving life get's sneaky, as evidenced by a slew of bills recently attacking women's rights, I wonder why?

is it really just for campaign contributions and to keep promises, trying to keep their conservative issues members appeased?

 

[DeeGee]

And NPR, and the health care reform bill, etc. etc. etc. It's not that easy to find any "will of the people" bills anywhere in congress.

Disclaimer: Please don't read into that I'm trying to support the failed healthcare bill. I just find it amusing it's even thought of as helping poor people so they fight it tooth and nail.

 

[lwien]

Yeah, this has been a major talking point with O'Rielly and Beck on Fox. Conservatives have some really warped ideas on things, but I have no doubt that they think the same things about liberals. It's that whole checks and balances thing that I hope keeps us from going off the deep end in either direction.

The conservative talking point is that taxpayers dollars are going for funded abortions through Planned Parenthood but what they fail to realize is all the good that Planned Parenthood provides beyond abortion counseling.

 

[DeeGee]

I fail to understand the conservative talking point about taxpayer dollars going towards abortions. Doesn't Planned Parenthood receive funding from the government via Title X, which clearly states that government funds cannot be used for abortions?

 

[Beezleb]

I fail to understand the conservative talking point about taxpayer dollars going towards abortions. Doesn't Planned Parenthood receive funding from the government via Title X, which clearly states that government funds cannot be used for abortions?

Its all a trick or shell game, they are funded by tax dollars but on paper they charge and make money from doing abortions.

I believe planned parenthood should be a not for profit not requiring federal money and parental rights and whatnot be enforced.

 

[Gunky]

Hey the republicans had nearly driven the economy off a cliff and then Obama came along and somehow it's starting to turn around. Now's the time for able repugs to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. The economy's recovering? Let's pull the plug on a million or so federal jobs and squeeze the states some more so they have to let more go too. It's never too late to fuck up the economy.

 

[OO]

Hey the republicans had nearly driven the economy off a cliff and then Obama came along and somehow it's starting to turn around. Now's the time for able repugs to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. The economy's recovering? Let's pull the plug on a million or so federal jobs and squeeze the states some more so they have to let more go too. It's never too late to fuck up the economy.

i think this thread was supposed to be serious conversation, so quit trolling it with your sidist-Blame-game opinions.

Honestly I have no problem with my tax money going to help abort babies, the less people in america, the more I enjoy it.

 

[Gunky]

i think this thread was supposed to be serious conversation, so quit trolling it with your sidist-Blame-game opinions.

Oh, I must have blundered in the wrong door. Let me check. No, this is The Vapor Lounge. Did someone take away your meds?

 

[aesthyrian]

The conservative talking point is that taxpayers dollars are going for funded abortions through Planned Parenthood but what they fail to realize is all the good that Planned Parenthood provides beyond abortion counseling.

Yes and this is a great example of how they use the general public's lack of knowledge to their advantage. The Hyde amendment passed in 1976 clearly states a ban on any and all federal funding for abortions. That is still a very true statement today. So simple put they are either morons or liars, you choose.

And I just don't get how you can support the murder of living children in the two wars we are in, but go nuts about an unborn child being aborted? Oh, and then they probably also support the death penalty? Forced pregnancy.. yay!

 

[Beezleb]

With respect to everyone's beliefs and views on the abortion issue, mine is that they simply pay for it on their own dime. (Their funding is trickery as they financially benefit from each abortion via fees charged the client but they would not be able to exist without taxpayer money.

The are simply being funded for some neutral things (which enables them to exist) and being allowed to charge for a service (abortions). They have "excessive revenue" from these services so many "Americans" view the issue as something the government does not need to be spending money on. Planned parenthood should simply pay its own way and not be using public monies. That is pretty much it from my view point and what I understand, take it or leave it.

 

[Gunky]

Reagan and both Bushes played a similar game of muzzling any organization abroad that that even talked about the option of abortion by defunding it, regardless of the human cost. The same kinder, gentler folks want to take massive cuts out of US support for AIDS prevention, treatment and research - never mind how many die as a direct result - but heaven forbid millionaires should have their income tax rates return to what they paid in the nineties.

 

[charliedontsurf]

Honestly I have no problem with my tax money going to help abort babies

Metal, dude. Metal.



Just kidding, I feel more or less the same, just not so artfully put.
If someone is too poor to pay 350 dollars for an abortion, do you think the best thing to do is just let them give birth, and then face the problem of not having enough money to raise a child to the age of 18? Abortions should obviously be covered at least partially by the government, it only behooves the state - any given state.

 

[VWFringe]

No federal money has been used for abortions for thirty years.

So, that means their talking points are just propaganda, meant to sway public opinion.

Remember, this was a coordinated attack, just like last time with Acorn, first the videos come out, then someone in congress acts all incensed, and then a raft of bills is brought.

This time the end game will be denying any woman in America the right or access to reproductive medical care. Any medical organization that provides abortions, or referals for abortions, would lose funding. This is to chill the medical field, and deny access for women, based on an idealogical agenda, not harm reduction.

I understand that the Republican party has something like a wing of the party, help me out here, that's more concerned with conservative social issues, and that the party has to kowtow to those members, as well as the members who are involved with business concerns.

I'm curious about that end... the TV stuff, that's just their way of manufacturing support among the public, I don't think most of them believe the stuff they're supposed to say anyway. (why does anyone watch fox? no disrespect)

 

[lwien]

(why does anyone watch fox? no disrespect)

Because I don't want to expose myself JUST to the shit I believe in. Fuck, they're preachin' to the choir so if I'm gonna be watchin' the news, I wanna hear what the other side is thinkin' too.

 

[VWFringe]

yeah, i remember you saying that before, and i respect it, but have to take a poke, like a one track record, hehe

what do you think about what i said?

do i sound like a left wing nut, or is it actually down to earth? my wife thinks i'm nuts right about now, all this talk about the lens of the popular media, and knowing the missives Fox reporters get every day about what to say and what not to say, does it make sense - what i said? if no federal money's been spent on any abortions for the past thirty years, doesn't that make what John Beihnor said a bit - like a lie, meant to burn certain listener's ears? lol

 

[djonkoman]

well I think the ban on gay marriage in america is even weirder as the prohibition of abortion...
as a kid I always saw gay marriage as exactly the same as regular marriage(two people that love eachother choose to commit to eachother trough marriage)
it was only when I got older that I noticed it isn't that normal for everyone....
luckily it's legal here for a while now(the netherlands, apparantly we were the first to legalize gay marriage)
altough I think almost the same about abortian, I see it as logical and normal that it's legal, but abortian is a little more prone to abuse then gay marriage(I can't think of any way one could abuse gay marriage, but abortian could be used by people only wanting a child of a specific gender)

 

[VWFringe]

I haven't watched this yet, but will:

"8: The Mormon Proposition" movie

" exposes the Mormon Church's involvement in the passage of California's Proposition 8 and the religion's secretive, decades-long campaign against gay rights."

So, while the Republican's don't openly talk about gays anylonger, there are certainly powerful groups in America who are trying to tear down gay rights in organized ways. It is shameful perhaps that men justify intollerance and continued prejudice in the face of incontravertible evidence of homosexuality as being a natural occurance in nature, by pointing to some musty text, which in itself, was a reflection of the times in which they were written.

Anyone see "Letting Go Of God," by Julia Sweeney, it's very funny

http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=09527587DA9C4A2C

didn't change my faith on whit, just my view of an old text book.

I wonder if there is a relationship between fear in the world, and a resurgence of church assertions. Have the echoes of the Church gotten louder with the swing to the Right?

There's a lot going against gays in Africa... because of the church, or is it cultural? what makes it possible for people to just get along? My wife's from the Philippines, and I end up watching a bit of their TV, and there's lots of gays on TV and in their movies, it is perhaps just because that's who their market includes, gay hair stylists sitting around watching TV during the day, just like here in America, where the gay and feminine influence is pretty noticable on programming.

 

[DeeGee]

No federal money has been used for abortions for thirty years.

Bingo!

Its all a trick or shell game, they are funded by tax dollars but on paper they charge and make money from doing abortions.

Yes, they are funded with tax dollars, but they do more than "babykilling." No tax dollars go towards abortions. They're not stupid enough to pull that shit and lose all their funding.
You may now adjust your point of view accordingly.

 

[aesthyrian]

Plus Planned Parenthood is non-profit, so they don't make money off of anything including abortions.

 

[lwien]

Waiting for someone to post up some garbage stats from a right winged publication.

The plain fact is that anti-abortionists are trying to shut down Planned Parenthood and they are using the government funding issue to try and make that happen.

I grew up when abortions were illegal, and I am well aware of abortions performed in back alleys in the dead of night with coat hangers.

If it was up these idiots, we'd all be anti-gay, anti-abortion bible thumping Christians marching to the ideology of Glen Beck denouncing anything that has Communisim or Socialism attached to it and claiming that they are the work of the Devil, who, by the way, just happens to be George Soros. Or wait, maybe he's really the anti-Christ.

This shit really gets me rilled up sometimes..........(reaching for PD)

 

[Beezleb]

No federal money has been used for abortions for thirty years.

Bingo!

Its all a trick or shell game, they are funded by tax dollars but on paper they charge and make money from doing abortions.

Yes, they are funded with tax dollars, but they do more than "babykilling." No tax dollars go towards abortions. They're not stupid enough to pull that shit and lose all their funding.
You may now adjust your point of view accordingly.

Quote all my words please, or do not quote me. I explained my points of views factually, well until you cut them up/left out anyways.

My original words:

With respect to everyone's beliefs and views on the abortion issue, mine is that they simply pay for it on their own dime. (Their funding is trickery as they financially benefit from each abortion via fees charged the client but they would not be able to exist without taxpayer money.

The are simply being funded for some neutral things (which enables them to exist) and being allowed to charge for a service (abortions). They have "excessive revenue" from these services so many "Americans" view the issue as something the government does not need to be spending money on. Planned parenthood should simply pay its own way and not be using public monies. That is pretty much it from my view point and what I understand, take it or leave it.

I stand by my position but I am open to any reasoning why I should not be.


Deegee, Mr. 9 post:
I recommend that you play your reindeer games elsewhere. While we may be stoners, we do not like it when people play games like this. I do not care nor do I judge your beliefs and views or anyone elses, I hope you will be so respectful, but I ask you that you keep my words whole and I ask that you do not use my words in your games. I think my meaning is clear and if anyone has anyone questions on my position I will gladly clarify if requested. Thank you.

Iwien, what gets you riled up? explain in detail please. You mention generics and use vague terminology but nothing specific.

 

[lwien]

Iwien, what gets you riled up? explain in detail please. You mention generics and use vague terminology but nothing specific.

I think it's pretty obvious what gets me riled up on these issues. Beez, if you can't glean from my post what those issues are, any further explanation really wouldn't accomplish anything.

 

[Beezleb]

Iwien,

I really dont read your post unless its a topic that concerns me so I am unfamiliar with your points of view on subject as this as we are about Fucking Combustion foremost. I genuinely do not care about anyone's views. None of us are any better than anyone else. A difference of opinion is just that. When one side takes it farther than it becomes extremism in my view.

Anyways, I am not here for this banter. I am here for vaporizing so I am on to better things!

 

[lwien]

^^ LOL !!

Wait. Wasn't it you who asked ME the question?

And if you are not here for this banter, as you say, and you are here just for vaporizing, why are you commenting here in this thread in the first place?

 

[VWFringe]

Reagan and both Bushes played a similar game of muzzling any organization abroad that that even talked about the option of abortion by defunding it, regardless of the human cost. The same kinder, gentler folks want to take massive cuts out of US support for AIDS prevention, treatment and research - never mind how many die as a direct result - but heaven forbid millionaires should have their income tax rates return to what they paid in the nineties.

Jeez, didn't even occur to me...i hear small things like this and I wonder, what else do i not know about my own government and my own people? and i feel like i'm a lead balloon hanging in air.

so, really, these folks must be connected, does anyone know more about the branch of the party that works on socially conservative issues?