highly educated e nail 16mm or 15.8mm coil?

[anticitizenone]

well like the title says the highly educated e nail it is 16mm so I assume I need a 16mm coil but could it be the 15.8mm coil will fit better - or maybe the 15.8mm coil will be to tight and it will break the coil?

so here is the question again

highly educated e nail 16mm or 15.8mm coil?

or maybe get this one and the 20mm coil?

 

[dUbmethod20]

Interesting looking devices. These are meant to sit above the coils of an e pen or mod?

 

[anticitizenone]

it goes like this, or like this but I need to know what the size I need is

 

[dUbmethod20]

Hmm. My buddy owns a setup like that and had a similar issue. I'll haftu see what he came up with

 

[PoopMachine]

If you havent bought the nail already, do yourself a favor and buy a better nail.

If you have, I would recommend the larger coil. I think the industry is going to move more towards 20mm coils.

 

[anticitizenone]

I havent bought it yet but what do you mean by a better nail? other than glass these are some of the best titanium ones made, I have one of the older ones and have tested it and it is grade 2 titanium, I have tested other ones I have got for free when I bought a bong and they are usually a cheaper titanium alloy with aluminum in it

a friend has the Infinity HE nail and it uses a flat coil, it works great but I dont want to get that one because the flat coils dont hold as much heat cuz they are smaller - also the Infinity HE nail is expensive

I would like to get the glass nail there are a few different ones but I need titanium for the dry sift I dab, it leaves lots of stuff behind and the glass or quartz ones you cant scrape hard because they can crack I have a glass banger and it gets dirty as hell requiring me to torch it to clean it


but back to my question

if the nail is 16mm can I put a 15.8mm coil on it or will that be to tight?

 

[PoopMachine]

You can use that coil.

I think the HE Infinti is the worst nail I own and I wish I had never bought mine. With the enail adapter, thats $200 I wasted. Im not saying that as a slam on HE or the quality of the product.. not at all. Its made nicely and for a torch nail its great but I just dont prefer it to my other enails. It doesnt have the heat retention of the others.

The New-Vape and Happy Daddy nails are light years better. The Happy Daddy is by far the best TI nail I have ever used. It has a learning curve but once you get the hang of it, theres nothing better.

 

[anticitizenone]

first let me say I have tested nails using a SEM/EDS I am not qualified to do it but a friend is and I can assure you the testing is accurate as it was done in a lab that is certified

yea the Infinity nail isnt needed but if you look there are now enail ones they made from HE that are only $90, I trust them to be actually grade 2 because in the past I have tested 2 of them and they were infact grade 2 titanium

if a nail is retaining heat better than another one of equal weight and size then its probably because its not the same grade of titanium, it must be grade 2-4 because grade 1 is to soft, grade 5 contains vanadium and aluminum which arent safe to inhale if heated up - grades 1-4 are considered commercially pure but grade 1 is really soft, some nails were made out of this in the beginning they would "warp" lots when used I had one of those

you can tell the cheaper grade nails they tend to get what looks like dents in them over time if heated to read hot with a torch many times, these "dents" are where the titanium has vaporized or burned away (remember titanium cant melt or get liquid in standard atmosphere, it vaporizes or burns away to get liquid you need an inert atmosphere or vacuum) leaving behind the other metals used in the alloy which are not safe

 

[PoopMachine]

Who said they were the same size? Thats why I dont really care for the HE Infiniti. It doesnt hold heat for crap. The HDG and the New-Vape nails are much beefier nails, thus the better heat retention. If you start throwing around accusations of people using inferior Ti in their nails, prepare for backlash.. thats already happened here before. New-Vape makes their nails in house right beside surgical equipment and gun firing pins. Ive met their machinists, I dont think theyre using inferior Ti. Ive also met the Happy Daddy guys and beings that they work with HE, I doubt theyre using inferior Ti either... its just the design of these other nails is better. Its not a matter of better or worse material.

 

[anticitizenone]

I never accused anyone of using inferior Ti I was just saying I dont know if they are good quality I just said I have tested the HE ones and they are real, I have tested 2 other ones that were not quality Ti they didnt have a name that I can remember it was just the one that came with a bong or in a 420 grab bag from my local head shop - I usually need to verify things before I believe them just because someone says its quality I need to test it my self to be sure

 

[PoopMachine]

I never accused anyone of using inferior Ti I was just saying I dont know if they are good quality I just said I have tested the HE ones and they are real, I have tested 2 other ones that were not quality Ti they didnt have a name that I can remember it was just the one that came with a bong or in a 420 grab bag from my local head shop - I usually need to verify things before I believe them just because someone says its quality I need to test it my self to be sure

Well, if youre buying a no name nail, its probably from China. Im pretty sure HE makes the Happy Daddy nail or at least had input and New-Vape is a top notch company.

Youre giving up a lot with the HE nail. Unless you have aspirations to use the ceramic dish from DNail, I would buy a different nail. Hell, Id love to sell my HE with enail adapter. Maybe I need to put it in the classifieds.

 

[anticitizenone]

really I need to know if a 15.8mm will fit properly on the 16mm nail, can it be opened up a little to fit or will that break the coil?

I really will have more than 1 nail because I will have more than 1 rig to smoke with and I smoke BHO, dry sift, and water hash, many things not just the BHO wax and the dry sift really leaves stuff behind that I have to torch away or heat up the nail and this is just 1 nail I will have - now I have like 6 different smoking rigs in 2 different houses I currently use with a torch now but I want to convert all of them to enails

I will have glass nails like this one thats made about 20 miles from where I live but like I said the glass ones cant be scraped because it can cause it to crack if you scratch it so you have to do it carefully I just wont be doing that so thats why I need the titanium nail

I am just asking if a 15.8mm coil will fit on a 16mm nail - it sounds stupid I know since there are 16mm coils but maybe the 15.8mm coil was created so it will fit better on a 16mm nail?

 

[PoopMachine]

So since you arent interested in anything that the people that have gone before you have done, Ill answer your question.

Yes, it will fit.

The coil is usually smaller than the adapter somewhat. You can wind the adapter into the coil going the same direction as the coil winds. You may find over time the coil cracks due to a tight fit but I havent had that issue although these days I only use 20mm and flat coils. I have multiple 15.8s I just dont use anymore.

 

[anticitizenone]

I am interested in stuff that others have done before me I just had a specific question and thats the whole point of this thread, I have been reading other stuff and figuring things out for my self

thanks for answering the question

I do assume the flat coil makes more sense since it fits under the dish and you arent heating up other stuff that isnt needed, but the size of the nail shouldnt matter much, I dont need a huge one the one I use now is probably only a 12mm but I use a torch to heat it up and a temp gun to get the temp so its not to hot - the glass nail my friend has he uses is only 16mm and it works great so its a 16mm or maybe a 15.8mm coil and it stays hot pretty well

if your enail isnt staying hot when you hit it because its cooling down to fast a bigger one isnt necessarily needed if you change the settings on your PID you can make it act differently when the temp starts going down - maybe not these PID's that are on most enails (mypin I think) but quality ones like omron or some more expensive ones can be programmed pretty well, I used to use PID's at work and I do remember there being all sorts of settings you can do that deal with the heating ramps and and how it handles the temp drop when something cold touches the thermocouple