Help me pick my next vaporizer

[DorianGray]

I love my crafty but it's a little too inefficient (burns through my stash too quick) to be used as a daily driver.

My volcano is super efficient but I'm kinda tired of the bags.

I'm looking for a heavy hitter (high vapor to air ratio). I want to connect it to glass and take big rips for short sessions of 2-3 mins. I usually vape alone.

I've narrowed it down to a cloud evo or a vape log.

which hits harder? the cloud evo or a vapelog? (by hit hard I mean quick extraction)

 

[RUDE BOY]

If your trying to use less bud i would say an Underdog with one of their NonG stems will beat out a Cloud/Evo where the bowl is the size of an 18mm male joint. With around .05 I get 2-3 cloudy hits with a water piece and the stem is cashed.

Don't know if you can use that little with the same results in the cloud, I know it doesn't work as well in my EV-2 that also uses a 18mm male gong as the bowl.

 

[lazylathe]

How about the LSV?
Cheap as chips and can be a flavor chaser or a cloud chaser!
Super easy to connect to glass as well!
Micro loads milk my bongs perfectly and the effects for me are quite intense!

I am finding my LSV to be more reliable in extraction than my E-Nano and it has better flavor as well.

I sold my EVO as it was not the vape for me but lots love theirs!

My

 

[stickstones]

I think any of the vapes mentioned so far are great with small loads. But your problem is probably self control! Like you, my biggest problem with the Evo is not putting more in than I need, just because I can. Every time I bring the size of the load back down I am amazed at the effects and ask myself why I don't always do that.

That being said, and in the spirit of 'know thyself', a log vape can only handle so much in the stainless steel tip stems and they force you to use only a little. But...I soon found myself going through three or four stems and having 20 minute sessions. The glass stems are adjustable and can lead to the same big loads you are trying to avoid if you don't hold back.

Have you tried using the Crafty with a smaller load, and maybe even the pad as a spacer to keep the loads smaller?

 

[lwien]

How about the LSV?
Cheap as chips and can be a flavor chaser or a cloud chaser!
Super easy to connect to glass as well!
Micro loads milk my bongs perfectly and the effects for me are quite intense!

I'll second this.....

 

[h3rbalist]

Ive never used those vapes and have very little experience with glass bits.

But I do have a Volcano and a Crafty that haven't been used since I received my Daisy.

I'm suffering from lack of self control as mentioned above by @stickstones and am going back for more and more massive cool rips.

Hey if you want to hook your Crafty up with the upside down water gong thing I have a minivape basket you can have.

That will reduce bowl size. And with a water pipe you'd get some nice full convection clouds.

 

[DorianGray]

@RUDE BOY thanks for answering my question

@lazylathe i will take a look at the LSV, thanks.

@sticktones , thank you. i will try to put in less, yes i have tried using the crafty with the spacer. but I'm still interested in getting a hard hitting bagless vape.

@h3rbalist ,first time hearing about the daisy. does it hit harder than the crafty? also, thanks for the offer.

@lazylathe , how does the LSV compare to the volcano? other than the bags ,does it hit harder?

can anyone chime in on some of the differences between the LSV and a log vape?

the E nano might be the heavy hitting, efficient vape I'm looking for.

 

[lazylathe]

@kolila

The LSV hits very different to the Cano. For me it is almost instantaneous sweats with the LSV whereas with the Cano I need 3 to 4 bags for that effect.
I like being able to control the density of the hit during the hit with the LSV just by lifting it and introducing more air.

The flavor is also much better with the LSV for me.
I must say that the first hit off a brand new bag with the Cano is amazing, just finding the flavor to decrease or not be as distinct the more a bag is used. At least for me, with the LSV I just get good repetition with all my hits once dialed in.

I do not use my log vape anymore, used to use the Nano as my daily driver but it now sits in the drawer, unused.
I still like the idea of log vapes, always on for that quick hit, maybe I just need a different style of log vape.

 

[lwien]

can anyone chime in on some of the differences between the LSV and a log vape?

Sure can.

I went from one of the original log vapes, the Purple Days, directly to the LSV. The differences are as follows:

MUCH, MUCH better air flow. No air restriction whatsoever on inhale.
MUCH better taste due to the glass air and vapor path of the LSV
MUCH bigger vapor clouds primarily due to the more powerful heater and less restrictive air and vapor flow
Easier to stir product material in the LSV than the Purple Days.
Mates to water tools better.

The only con was that I lost some efficiency (used more bud) in the LSV to the tune of about 30% but now with a few simple additions, (male to male adapter along with a Q basket), I am now approaching if not matching the efficiency that I had from my log vape while requiring no stirring whatsoever with no impact on the air flow or the taste.

In regards to what what Lazy said above in the Volcano comparison, the primary reason why the LSV tastes better is because you are getting a fresh hit with EVERY hit, versus taking repeated hits from the same vapor that has been sitting in the bag. Vapor begins to go stale and condense as soon as it enter that bag. Also, with the LSV, your can produce very dense, thick clouds at lower temps (better taste) than the Volcano can do. With the Volcano, you have to crank up those temps to get that dense vapor but do so at the cost of taste.

 

[DorianGray]

@lazylathe , thank you so much, i didn't notice you had an enano as well. would you mind describing some more of the differences between the LSV and the enano?

 

[little maggie]

I wonder if current log vapes have progressed since the Purple Days because I have none of those problems with my underdogs. It comes with 3 stems of your choice so the water gong can be included. Mine works great with water.

 

[lwien]

I wonder if current log vapes have progressed since the Purple Days because I have none of those problems with my underdogs. It comes with 3 stems of your choice so the water gong can be included. Mine works great with water.

I have no doubt that there have been a lot of improvements, but (and please, for those that own both the LSV along with the current log vapes on the market, correct if I'm wrong), I don't see how any log can have the same kind of unrestrictive air flow that the LSV has nor the glass air and vapor path that the LSV has nor the same power that is applied to the heater that the LSV has.

I'm not debating that the current logs work great with water. I'm sure they do, but the question is, do they do it as well as the LSV when all of the above is taken into consideration?

 

[little maggie]

I have no doubt that there have been a lot of improvements, but (and please, for those that own both the LSV along with the current log vapes on the market, correct if I'm wrong), I don't see how any log can have the same kind of unrestrictive air flow that the LSV has nor the glass air and vapor path that the LSV has nor the same power that is applied to the heater that the LSV has.

I'm not debating that the current logs work great with water. I'm sure they do, but the question is, do they do it as well as the LSV when all of the above is taken into consideration?

I can't compare to the LSV but the air flow is less restrictive than other vapes I own.

 

[DorianGray]

I don't see how any log can have the same kind of unrestrictive air flow that the LSV has nor the glass air and vapor path that the LSV has nor the same power that is applied to the heater that the LSV has.

I'm not debating that the current logs work great with water. I'm sure they do, but the question is, do they do it as well as the LSV when all of the above is taken into consideration?

I'm curious to this as well.

I'm on the fence between the e nano and LSV. decisions....decisions..

 

[lwien]

I'm on the fence between the e nano and LSV. decisions....decisions..

Some further reading that may be of interest:

http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/deciding-between-lsv-and-e-nano-could-use-some-thouhgts.14120/
http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/bong-vape-lsv-or-enano-or-evo.17542/
http://www.reddit.com/r/vaporents/comments/29din6/underdog_enano_or_lsv/

 

[EveryDayAmnesiac]

MUCH better taste due to the glass air and vapor path of the LSV

Isn't there the ceramic heater in the path as well? Or is that not the case anymore?

And wasn't the PD notorious for charring of the wood? Maybe that comes into play when considering the discrepancy in taste. Or did the charring not affect the flavor of the herbage?

I tell ya, my HIbrid has an absolutely lovely flavor...

MUCH bigger vapor clouds primarily due to the more powerful heater and less restrictive air and vapor flow

Doesn't the Nano use the same ceramic heater as the 7th Floor products? Back when I had a Nano, I don't recall any restriction of any kind. The thing had more power than I'd ever have needed. Never did I find myself thinking, "Gosh, this would be great if only there were less restriction!"

Easier to stir product material in the LSV than the Purple Days.

Can't see how this would be an issue or difference with any current log.

Mates to water tools better.

Again, kind of a non-issue now, right? Hell, I'd say modern logs, particularly the Nano and HI, mate better to water tools since they're so much smaller, lighter, and more easy to wield. Wood is good.

Isn't comparing an LSV to a Purple Days sort of like comparing a Blu-Ray player to an old VHS player? Doesn't seem fair or practical to me.

I don't see how any log can have the same kind of unrestrictive air flow that the LSV has

I've never noticed any "restriction" on either the UD, Nano, or HIbrid - I mean, just how much "un-restriction" does one really need? Any of those logs, IME, have more power and free-flowing airflow that I could ever need.

I'm not debating that the current logs work great with water. I'm sure they do, but the question is, do they do it as well as the LSV when all of the above is taken into consideration?

I've had absolutely zero problems milking my glass with any current log. Can they do it as well as the LSV? Well, I don't know. But isn't that sort of splitting hairs at this point?

At the end of the day, I'd choose a log - because I'm a dangerous alcoholic who passes out frequently, and need a plug-in that can be left on 24/7.

Mean no disrespect, Obi-Wan @lwien - just wondering about your thoughts on the matter.

 

[solodolo420]

If your looking for a heavy hitter, I recommend the Vapexhale Cloud Evo. It's an all glass airway and uses a hydratube or you can get your own 18mm bong and it fits right in!

 

[lwien]

Mean no disrespect, Obi-Wan @lwien - just wondering about your thoughts on the matter.

No disrespect taken. It's all good.

I think we need to hear from those that have owned both the LSV and the current logs to help make valid comparisons. Being that I've never owned a current log, it really is unfair for me to try and make comparisons, as it is also unfair for those that own current logs but have not owned an LSV.

There are many that have owned both, but they are much more active in both the LSV and the E-Nano threads than here.

I think I'll go and try to get them over here.

 

[SSVUN~YAH]

I heard @lwien calls and came a running! It seems like all the info is already laid out. It seems simple to me if your looking for the heaviest hitter of them all it's the LSV easily IMHO, it's a beast when you get it dialed in! That's not to say a log can't either, but if your wanting or using a large amount that's where the LSV takes over I believe. I'm scratching my head as why the Lotus hasn't been mentioned yet as well.

 

[Stu]

Logs have changed a lot since the PD days. I use a log for quick, thick rips that are as intense as my Evo, but quicker to attain since there is no primer draw required. Water is a must, of course.

 

[ataxian]

I love my crafty but it's a little too inefficient (burns through my stash too quick) to be used as a daily driver.

My volcano is super efficient but I'm kinda tired of the bags.

I'm looking for a heavy hitter (high vapor to air ratio). I want to connect it to glass and take big rips for short sessions of 2-3 mins. I usually vape alone.

I've narrowed it down to a cloud evo or a vape log.

which hits harder? the cloud evo or a vapelog? (by hit hard I mean quick extraction)

Get a NANO!

I've own a lot of thèm.
For the $$$ It's worth it!

 

[grokit]

I've never noticed any "restriction" on either the UD, Nano, or HIbrid - I mean, just how much "un-restriction" does one really need?

A log has no less through-flow, while the 7th floor products utilize a venturi type of airflow system so the heat comes mixed with air which intensifies convection. For heavy hitters this can make a huge difference. Logs are more like a solo where you add more air after the heat source because there is less air flowing through it.

 

[SSVUN~YAH]

Logs are more like a solo where you add the air after the heat source because there is no air flowing through it.

This isn't true for any of my logs.

Edit- they don't have a crucible, and the UD and Nano have holes in the stems, don't they? Now the HI idk but there is definetly airflow with all 3 otherwise it would hit like a milkshake and I can assure you that's not the case for me.

 

[Stu]

A log has no through-flow, while the 7th floor products utilize a venturi type of airflow system so the heat comes mixed with air which intensifies convection. For heavy hitters this makes a huge difference. Logs are more like a solo where you add the air after the heat source because there is no air flowing through it.

I love ya' Grokit, but I have to disagree here. Hot air is hot air. Current logs and Solos have very little in common IMHO.

 

[grokit]

This isn't true for any of my logs.

I might have the solo part wrong, but with my hs and ud it seems like there is no air flowing inside the heater core; all the air is added through the stem/screen that holds the material. With the ssv/lsv there is air coming from inside the hc, from through the venturi opening.

I love ya' Grokit, but I have to disagree here. Hot air is hot air. Current logs and Solos have very little in common IMHO.

Appreciated
I might not be explaining myself clearly, but I have to agree with @lwien that my ssv/lsv offers greater airflow and hence larger hits than my logs do. Otoh the logs are more efficient with material, but only because they limit hit size -- which is also possible to do with the ssv/lsv, by using log-size wands.

edit: the air is hotter because it's mixed with the heat before it exits the hc, not after. I think this makes the ssv/lsv more efficient than a log, which adds some unheated air with every inhale.