Has Colorado THC Potency Become Too High?
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If you're referring to the Stella Leidbeck case, that woman more than deserved every penny she got. The coffee literally seared away the skin of her thighs and began damaging muscle tissue, through clothes.
That shouldn't happen with a coffee spill
GeekyGodiva
Happy Hairy Herbal Faerie
Yeah, industry standard was to serve coffee at something like 10 degrees above drinkable and it was even way hotter than that when they tested the machine calibrations...
Gunky
Well-Known Member
But a liquor bottle typically has a recognizable shape and format, correct? You don't even have to see the label to know it's liquor. (If you open it, it smells and tastes like liquor, too.) This is something you've internalized and never think about. Same thing for tobacco and most medicines. These conventions don't yet exist for pot products.
Yup, it's a brave new world. I'm waiting to see how this edible market goes over. Didn't Coca Cola used to contain cocaine? What if candy could be advertised as being both a sweet treat and sweet trip? It could be mild sensory stuff, nothing intense, but just to get to the point where we could actually market psychotropic effects is something alien to this country as of yet. I think we're in a crazy interim period where some potent stuff is falling through loopholes. It might be a good idea to hoard.
Bought this at a dispensary in WA. The cost is $5 donation. I got one free because I am a new patient. Each has 50mg THC. I see the chocolate one is bigger, but it should be the same THC wise.
EDIT: I ate the fruity Krispy treat 2 hours ago. I don't think I notice much of anything.
Sigh....why do such small amounts (20/30 mg) affect me so severely? I guess it's good in a way because I get to experience what a complete newbie would. I can easily take up their defense then. But it makes me feel so....naive. I'm sure it's simply because I don't do it much, but it still seems over the top.
My other thought on this is that I get really high after long meditation retreats. (And sometimes those highs will last months). Much of the same effects that I get from mj I can get from doing Zen sitting. Maybe I am just wired for high. I've always been something of a misfit, cutting out or sticking ordinary things into some other angle, expressing it - and then feeling stupid. But I don't think that having an altered perception makes for a bad life. For one, I think have way more fun than any of the status-quo'ers around me. For two, stopping in the present to spin the inner gold is , well, sublime. It's nice to feel safe on this site. People here understand.
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Caligula
Maximus
Look at it like this. My brother vapes every day. He also weighs about 100lbs more then me. On the plane ride back from Hawaii I gave him two "pharmaceutical grade" pills made from highly refined hash oil. Each pill contained 70mg THC and 5mg CBD.
My brother took both. I also took two, as well as eating a fruit roll which has 0.5g of ice hash in it. We even had the same meal on the flight so stomach content should have been pretty similar.
Anyway, I had a mellow experience which was over before the 5+ hour flight was. My brother, on the other hand, was going nuts and having a really bad, paranoid trip. This went on for something like 12 straight hours! He crashed at my place for a few hours, passed out, woke up the next day, and said he was still high as shit as he was driving home. Insane. Hes already said hes not taking those (or any) pills anymore. LMAO. He got burned out on the entire delivery system!
BTW, these pills are VERY consistent. I'm basing this on the fact that those 4 pills we took on the flight back were the last 4 of 18 that I had taken with me for our 5 day trip. I've also purchased them in the past, with similar results.
In any case, my point is that edibles are a crapshoot for many MANY reasons.
My brother took both. I also took two, as well as eating a fruit roll which has 0.5g of ice hash in it. We even had the same meal on the flight so stomach content should have been pretty similar.
Anyway, I had a mellow experience which was over before the 5+ hour flight was. My brother, on the other hand, was going nuts and having a really bad, paranoid trip. This went on for something like 12 straight hours! He crashed at my place for a few hours, passed out, woke up the next day, and said he was still high as shit as he was driving home. Insane. Hes already said hes not taking those (or any) pills anymore. LMAO. He got burned out on the entire delivery system!
BTW, these pills are VERY consistent. I'm basing this on the fact that those 4 pills we took on the flight back were the last 4 of 18 that I had taken with me for our 5 day trip. I've also purchased them in the past, with similar results.
In any case, my point is that edibles are a crapshoot for many MANY reasons.
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This is a very interesting discussion. I recently touched upon it on my blog GreenDiet.com (The most recent tincture post)
I mention that Marinol is given out in 2.5, 5 and 10 mg doses. Patients are started at the low end and and the dosage is adjusted upwards accordingly. I believe the maximum recommended Marinol dose per day is 20 mg. I do like the fact that in CO medibles are limited to 10mg in serving sizes but there can be much ambiguity about what a 'serving' really constitutes when we are talking food portions.
I also feel 'medibles' should be labeled with a large standardized label indicating the product contains medical cannabis and what dose of THC is per portion. Personally, I feel when cannabis is infused into edible products - most folks are going to eat the majority of the product. Let's be real here, who is going to eat a quarter of a cookie? A tenth of a brownie? Although I have made medibles in the past, I much prefer the standardized dosing of MMJ tincture. It is of my opinion that generally medicine should stay as medicine and I like oral cannabis to be in tinctures, capsules, pills etc. so there is no confusion. Cannabis also makes us hungry so if we only have medicated treats on hand, overdosing and negative reactions will become more common. My advice is to medicate with 'medicine' and eat food. I kinda like em to be separate (not to be a party pooper here though guys)
Bottom line: We are humans and if there is food infused with medicine, folks are going to eat all of the food as it is human nature and pretty inevitable (Especially if it is tasty). I can foresee future legislation not only with max serving sizes but lower maximum doses per products as well.
I mention that Marinol is given out in 2.5, 5 and 10 mg doses. Patients are started at the low end and and the dosage is adjusted upwards accordingly. I believe the maximum recommended Marinol dose per day is 20 mg. I do like the fact that in CO medibles are limited to 10mg in serving sizes but there can be much ambiguity about what a 'serving' really constitutes when we are talking food portions.
I also feel 'medibles' should be labeled with a large standardized label indicating the product contains medical cannabis and what dose of THC is per portion. Personally, I feel when cannabis is infused into edible products - most folks are going to eat the majority of the product. Let's be real here, who is going to eat a quarter of a cookie? A tenth of a brownie? Although I have made medibles in the past, I much prefer the standardized dosing of MMJ tincture. It is of my opinion that generally medicine should stay as medicine and I like oral cannabis to be in tinctures, capsules, pills etc. so there is no confusion. Cannabis also makes us hungry so if we only have medicated treats on hand, overdosing and negative reactions will become more common. My advice is to medicate with 'medicine' and eat food. I kinda like em to be separate (not to be a party pooper here though guys)
Bottom line: We are humans and if there is food infused with medicine, folks are going to eat all of the food as it is human nature and pretty inevitable (Especially if it is tasty). I can foresee future legislation not only with max serving sizes but lower maximum doses per products as well.
Caligula - you highlight a solid point in that there are MANY variables behind positive/negative oral cannabis experiences. Some of these are:
- Tolerance (Do you smoke everyday? Flowers/Concentrates/Edibles? How much?)
- Genetic Predisposition (Are you mellow by nature or anxious?)
- Setting (Is your setting conducive to a mellow experience, are you comfortable? In your case, perhaps someone doesn't like flying)
- Metabolism
- Time when one last ate
- Oral cannabis or Psychedelic experience history
- Current Mindset
- ACTUAL dose of the "pharmaceutical grade" stuff. Maybe the dose is spot on, maybe they vary significantly.
Tons of variables and I'd say 140 mg THC is a MASSIVE dose. I've also heard of a lot of experiences with folks flying and eating hash/weed and having bad trips. I mean it is sometimes kind of long, uncomfortable and foreign (strangers)... I'd rather be sinking in a couch in the privacy of my own home with some close buds.
That is good that one of your bud's flights was
. I couldn't agree more with your "One man's..." quote. I have a buddy from childhood that would always consume like 4-5x more substances than the rest of the experimenting adolescents. He just had a naturally high tolerance for just about everything. My advice is to always start small and go from there. When a serving size has a max of 10 mg in CO a total serving of 140 mg THC is 14x that which i'd say is "massive". Granted, 5-10 mg THC seems to be a good starting dose for the non-tolerant individual, same with a substance like Percocet (Oxycodone). There are those tolerant folks who could go ahead and consume 10, 80 mg OxyContin pills throughout the day because they have a monkey on their back and they need that just to maintain. To the non tolerant individual - 80 mg oxycodone at once could kill them. 10 80 mg pills could kill a non-tolerant person 10x over.Sorry for digressing into Opiates (I have a degrees in chemical dependency/psychology). I know they are dangerous, illegal (when not Rx'd) and regularly kill people. We are talking about Cannabis, which while it has never killed anyone - seems to have no upper limit for dosing similar to opiates. Just cause this stuff ain't dope, doesn't mean we shouldn't respect the
though. Nobody wants to end up like that news reporter lady who had the bad trip after eating too much edibles in CO.... Ain't nobody got time for that 
Caligula
Maximus
Well in retrospect, I shouldnt have told him to eat both caps. I had found (personally) that one of those fruit rolls is about = to two of the caps in terms of effect (as well as indicated dose... I think the fruit roll was rated at ~120mg THC?).
Also completely different methods of extraction for the actives in the edibles. One is a highly refined oil, while the other is of ice hash, measured out by weight...
and then you have strain. The fruit roll was using headband. The caps... well I dont think strain matters because its so refines (think Pure Gold).
Also completely different methods of extraction for the actives in the edibles. One is a highly refined oil, while the other is of ice hash, measured out by weight...
and then you have strain. The fruit roll was using headband. The caps... well I dont think strain matters because its so refines (think Pure Gold).
Well said, Steele.
I was just thinking about how much I like the tinctures as a delivery method. 1) the dosage you're getting is clear and uniform 2) the bottles/droppers are very discreet and easy to use 3) you can apply them any way you want 4) they're not attractive to kids 5) there's no incentive to use it as a snack and possibly get overdosed. I bought several types of edibles to try in CO; berry gummies, orange-scented chocolates and 2 bottles of tincture (one was watermelon and the other a wonderful spicy ginger flavor). My boyfriend added Swedish fish to the mix. We agreed that the gummies were a nice trip. The chocolates on the other hand....both of us got messed up, to one degree or another, on those. I would still get some more though because I'm quite willing to overdo it a little so I can experience that excellent extended euphoria that came after my initial little anxiety spell. As for the tincture, it absolutely must be a part of my experience-palette (or palate?). It just boosts everything, effortlessly. And such sophisticated portability. I can see little old ladies carrying these around in their bags. With a gleam in their eyes: "Would you like a spot of tea? And just a drop or two?". To be able to measure out the select dose for the select sensory/mental edge without any of the stigma of smoke opens up a world of possibilities.
Good points @samantabha and watermelon tincture flavor sounds nice. I am a bit biased towards tincture as it is so dang easy to make and dose compared to most methods. Canna-caps look fun but kind of a pain to make a bunch.
Anyone know if CO has cannabis pills yet? I'm about to hit google to do some exploring. On a mass scale, decarbed and pressed kief/hash pills could be interesting. 5 and 10 mg THC pills like Marinol could be an option, Big pharma look out! America loves pills and MMJ could take a chunk out of the pain, sleep, arthritis etc. pharma market.
Anyone know if CO has cannabis pills yet? I'm about to hit google to do some exploring. On a mass scale, decarbed and pressed kief/hash pills could be interesting. 5 and 10 mg THC pills like Marinol could be an option, Big pharma look out! America loves pills and MMJ could take a chunk out of the pain, sleep, arthritis etc. pharma market.
Yes - Big Pharma LOOK OUT!!!
As a side note, we are going back to CO at the end of September, so I'll be on the look out for novel forms of edibles (and other things).
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Ahhhh I knew I saw these around the internet before. Anyone have any experience with these? Notice they aren't just pressed kief/hash. They look like a multivitamin, online it said $25 for 24 tablets @~10 mg/pill. Pretty good bang for the buck if you ask me!
We have "Cana Caps" or some such. Bought some on local opening day. Bunked out as far as I could tell.
Bill Maher's analysis of Dowd's trip is spot on. We get a lot of visitors in my part of this state and many that I met this year wanted to try cannabis. Many did not want to smoke or vape but thought eating some would be a great idea.
I am ok with banning candy like edibles. Looks like candy, works like drugs. What's the worst that can happen?
Bill Maher's analysis of Dowd's trip is spot on. We get a lot of visitors in my part of this state and many that I met this year wanted to try cannabis. Many did not want to smoke or vape but thought eating some would be a great idea.
I am ok with banning candy like edibles. Looks like candy, works like drugs. What's the worst that can happen?
Jared
Cannabis Enthusiast
ColdSmoke said:
I honestly don't even personally enjoy edibles, but I think banning candy like edibles is absurd. Whether people like it or not, cannabis is not some hard drug that if ingested is going kill you. The worst thing that's going to happen if an incredibly irresponsible adult let's a child get ahold of a few pieces of thc candy, is the kid might have a panic attack. That's literally the WORST CASE scenario (within reason.) If someone who truly needs cannabis for medicine enjoys taking it in candy form why shouldn't they be able to? Edibles are all properly labeled with warnings on the packages if you buy them from a law abiding dispensary. I would venture to say that eating a whole bottle of thc infused gummies would be no more dangerous and probably less so than eating an entire bottle of Flintstones gummy vitamins. Should those be banned?
I just don't understand why people in this thread think that people are incapable of reading labels, and that adults are incapable of keeping things out of reach of their children. Sure some bad things may happen once in a while due to edibles being in candy or brownie or cookie form. So what? This is real life not some controlled sterile environment where risks don't exist and danger isn't a thing.
If candy edibles were being sold at the checkout line in walmart or at your local gas station with no age limit I could see your point but as of now, with them being sold only in dispensaries, to people who are either a medical card holder, or are 21+ and *should* know what they're buying, with labels CLEARLY stating that there is cannabis in the product I just fail to see the issue.
What about frozen-margarita popsicle things? Should those be banned? People might mistake them for regular popsicles and eat 12 at a time. How about wine coolers. They sure look like a tasty drink to little kids. What about those disgusting chocolate calcium things? Should they be banned? You can go around banning everything because something bad might happen to certain people, or you can let responsible people be responsible, and irresponsible people face the consequences. I choose the latter and I would hope any level headed person would do the same.
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Vinman
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My feeling is that edibles should be much more tightly regulated, and only be sold in a form where the individual dosage can easily be altered. I think the ideal form for edibles is gummy bears because they can be sub-divided so easily. Edibles like hard candy which cannot be easily divided by the user should not be sold, and the cannabis media should cease promoting the wide range of "tasty" edibles.
Inhaled cannabis is generally "self-titrated" (a user will stop smoking/vaping when he feels he's had enough, and will know within 10 minutes if he wants/needs more). But edible users do not want to wait 2-3 hours after the initial dose before taking more, a situation which can easily lead to excessive intake. Even the labeled THC levels in edibles are only a rough guideline, depending on how much of that THC was decarbed. I once had a tiny piece of BlueKudu chocolate which was labeled as 8 mg, and it was definitely too much for me.
I subsequently found that 3/4 of that size was my proper level of that product.
There really is no good reason why such a large range of edibles should be marketed and promoted.
Inhaled cannabis is generally "self-titrated" (a user will stop smoking/vaping when he feels he's had enough, and will know within 10 minutes if he wants/needs more). But edible users do not want to wait 2-3 hours after the initial dose before taking more, a situation which can easily lead to excessive intake. Even the labeled THC levels in edibles are only a rough guideline, depending on how much of that THC was decarbed. I once had a tiny piece of BlueKudu chocolate which was labeled as 8 mg, and it was definitely too much for me.
I subsequently found that 3/4 of that size was my proper level of that product.There really is no good reason why such a large range of edibles should be marketed and promoted.
Jared
Cannabis Enthusiast
Vinman said:
I can't think of a good reason why they shouldn't.
All I've seen so far is kids might mistake them, and you can't get a proper dosage. (reminds me of a bunch of mom's talking about why weed shouldn't be legalized)
I have two remedies for those two problems. 1 be responsible. 2 don't take edibles if you don't think you can take a proper dose.
Arguing against edible options is like prohibitionists arguing against marijuana legalization - absolutely ridiculous.
Next you guys will be saying they're growing the weed too strong these days.
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Caligula
Maximus
http://www.grassley.senate.gov/news...selling-candy-flavored-illegal-drugs-children
I'm too lazy to try and make a point. Just wanted to share. Take this however you want.
Edit: HOLY MOTHER OF GOD...
http://topekasnews.com/edible-marijuana-candies-kill-9-colorado-12-coachella/
I'm too lazy to try and make a point. Just wanted to share. Take this however you want.
Edit: HOLY MOTHER OF GOD...
http://topekasnews.com/edible-marijuana-candies-kill-9-colorado-12-coachella/
Jared
Cannabis Enthusiast
Caligula said:
Those candies were homemade with vodka in them. Not exactly the regulated labeled THC gummy from a dispensary I think we are talking about here. The "kids" (read dumbass college adults) probably got alcohol poisoning or something.
Also that is about as bogus of a source as they come. I'm going to assume you didn't actually read the article. I hope not anyway.
Not a single person has ever died directly as a result of ingesting too much thc or other cannabinoids. If they had we sure wouldn't be hearing about it first from "Top News. "
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aj0125
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I actually read this whole article and this may be the most dangerous piece of "journalism" I have ever read. It was written by a pastor who says at the end that 1 in 4 joints results in pregnancy and all sorts of other insane bullshit. Anyone who wants a good laugh should read it, I just hope no one takes it seriously.
Unbelievably, it does appear to be an attempt at serious journalism....