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Hey Stickstones. I'm currently trolling on Youtube :brow: There is still loads of good stuff pouring out.
The chairman of the leading climate change watchdog was informed that claims about melting Himalayan glaciers were false before the Copenhagen summit, The Times has learnt.

Rajendra Pachauri was told that the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change assessment that the glaciers would disappear by 2035 was wrong, but he waited two months to correct it. He failed to act despite learning that the claim had been refuted by several leading glaciologists.

Less than a week after he claimed the IPCCs credibility had increased as a result of its handling of the Glaciergate scandal, Pachauris own personal credibility lies in tatters as The Times accuses him of a direct lie.

This is about when he first became aware of the false claim over the melting glaciers, Pachauris version on 22 January being that he had only known about it for a few days i.e., after it had appeared in The Sunday Times
http://wattsupwiththat.com/

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/01/...s-exceeding-anything-experienced-in-30-years/

Ice in Chinese ports exceeding anything experienced in 30 years
From the weather is not climate department another report of ice further south than has been recently experienced
A donkey pulls a cart across the frozen sea near Liaodong Bay of Bohai in Jinzhou, Liaoning province, January 22, 2010. The worst sea ice was seen on Saturday in Bohai Sea in northeastern China this winter with 51 percent of the water covered by ice
Norwichs flagship university was at the centre of a new row today after it emerged it broke the law by refusing to hand over its raw data for public scrutiny in the climate change row over stolen emails
Scientists in stolen e-mail scandal hid climate data but escape prosecution :(

By Ben Webster, Environment Editor, and Jonathan Leake, Times Online

The university at the centre of the climate change row over stolen e-mails broke the law by refusing to hand over its raw data for public scrutiny.

The University of East Anglia breached the Freedom of Information Act by refusing to comply with requests for data concerning claims by its scientists that man-made emissions were causing global warming.

The Information Commissioners Office decided that UEA failed in its duties under the Act but said that it could not prosecute those involved because the complaint was made too late, The Times has learnt. The ICO is now seeking to change the law to allow prosecutions if a complaint is made more than six months after a breach.

The stolen e-mails , revealed on the eve of the Copenhagen summit, showed how the universitys Climatic Research Unit attempted to thwart requests for scientific data and other information, and suggest that senior figures at the university were involved in decisions to refuse the requests. It is not known who stole the e-mails.

Professor Phil Jones, the units director, stood down while an inquiry took place. The ICOs decision could make it difficult for him to resume his post.
NDTV report that scientists have found that the Himalayan Glaciers are actually expanding, in direct contradiction to the doomsday forecast by the IPCC

Read the full story on www.EUReferendum.blogspot.com see newsclip here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bu05lneETxE
 
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This puts into perspective what the global warming scare is causing. The BIOFuel Scam is now getting recognised (and this is from the Guardian a extremely biased proAGW Uk paper)
One quarter of US grain crops fed to cars - not people, new figures showNew analysis of 2009 US Department of Agriculture figures suggests biofuel revolution is impacting on world food supplies
According to Brown, the growing demand for US ethanol derived from grains helped to push world grain prices to record highs between late 2006 and 2008. In 2008, the Guardian revealed a secret World Bank report that concluded that the drive for biofuels by American and European governments had pushed up food prices by 75%, in stark contrast to US claims that prices had risen only 2-3% as a result.


This is causing the deaths of millions of people in the developing countries of starvation because they can't even afford to buy their mud pies (made from real mud) anymore.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2010/jan/22/quarter-us-grain-biofuels-food
 
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Go Dr North!

Glaciergate as on Indian News, this story is huge http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOknLq1uQiI

Pt 2 they destroy the scientist Hasnain and expose him as telling bare faced lies. Actually I feel a bit sorry for him, and the IPCC are trying to pin all the blame on him. He has since said that the IPCC were knowingly using that melt date to put pressure on governments. (will find source)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7SGr6Dqy4o


A significant peer-reviewed study by David Frank et al. in NATURE just released refutes the premise of an important IPCC AR4 CO2 Feedback conclusion. As other major claims of the IPCC AR4 (about glaciers, extreme events, the Amazon) crumble under the weight of increasing scrutiny, this important feedback along with earlier challenges to the water vapor and cloud feedback assumptions by Lindzen and Spencer and others in peer review, raise increasing doubt about the importance of CO2 to climate change.

Dr. Frank says: for every degree Celsius of warming, natural ecosystems tend to release an extra 7.7 parts per million of CO2 to the atmosphere (the full range of their estimate was between 1.7 and 21.4 parts per million).

This stands in sharp contrast to the recent estimates of positive feedback models, which suggest a release of 40 parts per million per degree; the team say with 95% certainty that value is an overestimate http://icecap.us/
*Looks around to see if Reece is around. Might be better if he gives this link a miss ;) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1b-6U5MwyDM
 
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And I haven't even got to Amazongate yet! :cool:


Antarctic sea water shows 'no sign' of warming
SEA water under an East Antarctic ice shelf showed no sign of higher temperatures despite fears of a thaw linked to global warming that could bring higher world ocean levels, first tests showed yesterday.
Sensors lowered through three holes drilled in the Fimbul Ice Shelf showed the sea water is still around freezing and not at higher temperatures widely blamed for the break-up of 10 shelves on the Antarctic Peninsula, the most northerly part of the frozen continent in West Antarctica.

"The water under the ice shelf is very close to the freezing point," Ole Anders Noest of the Norwegian Polar Institute wrote after drilling through the Fimbul, which is between 250m and 400m thick.

"This situation seems to be stable, suggesting that the melting under the ice shelf does not increase," he wrote of the first drilling cores.

The findings, a rare bit of good news after worrying signs in recent years of polar warming, adds a small bit to a puzzle about how Antarctica is responding to climate change, blamed largely on human use of fossil fuels
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...-sign-of-warming/story-fn3dxity-1225818314421

Greenpeace and the Nobel-Winning Climate Report
Considered the climate Bible by governments around the world, the UN's Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) report is meant to be a scientific analysis of the most authoritative research.

Instead, it references literature generated by Greenpeace - an organization known more for headline-grabbing publicity stunts than sober-minded analysis. (Eight IPCC-cited Greenpeace publications are listed at the bottom of this post.)

In one section of this Nobel-winning report, climate change is linked to coral reef degradation. The sole source for this claim? A Greenpeace report titled "Pacific in Peril" (see Hoegh-Guldberg below). Here the report relies on a Greenpeace document to establish the lower-end of an estimate involving solar power plants (Aringhoff).

When discussing solar energy elsewhere, the report references two Greenpeace documents in one sentence. Here it uses a Greenpeace paper as its sole means of documenting where the "main wind-energy investments" are located globally http://nofrakkingconsensus.blogspot.com/2010/01/greenpeace-and-nobel-winning-climate_28.html
One of these expert reviewers is Gabriela von Goerne - who holds a PhD in geology and works as a climate and energy campaigner for Greenpeace Germany. Von Goerne is co-author of a 2008 report that employs colourful, less-than-clinical language. Carbon capture and storage "will arrive on the battlefield far too late to help the world avoid dangerous climate change it declares on page six.


(Incidentally, although this Greenpeace report begins with a declaration that it is "based on peer-reviewed independent scientific research," footnotes 48 and 53 cite only a non-peer-reviewed source to support statements of fact:

Hannegan, B, 2007. Testimony for Hearing of the Science, Technology and Innovation Subcommittee of the Committee on Commerce, Science, and Transportation. 110th Cong., 1st Sess. 7 November 2007.
Moreover, footnote 153 cites a Greenpeace-published document authored by von Goerne herself. Greenpeace, it would appear, has a definition of "peer-reviewed" that is as elastic as the IPCC's.)
This gives a breakdown with clear evidence just how much greenpeace has had a hand in the IPCC reports, and even the peer review process. It is extremely disturbing imo, bearing in mind the co founder (Patric moore has been refered to as a cofounder by Greenpeace themselves) of greenpeace is currently trying to tell anyone who will listen it is full of Communists.
 
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stickstones

Vapor concierge
Glad to see you're back, and with some interesting reads!

I would like to take fasifiability to a lighter level with the climate change backers.

What would it take to begin to entertain the idea that global warming might be bullshit?

For me, I think this thread alone contains enough references to credible sources doubting the global warming movement to warrant re-examination.
 
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Solar output fluctuates, atmospheric quality changes (see volcanoes), the Earth wobbles on is axis. All these things and more would change our temperatures. With no input from man. ie. the world would not have stable temps if man never existed.

Uhh, maybe we are trying to stop something we aren't the entire cause of. I bet we are partly to blame. But I also bet we will do nothing, and probably can't do anything. :2c:
 
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Happycamper

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One more I just found, this is the thing that Rayski was saying was debunked. It's a report by antony Watts from website wattsupwiththat.com. He has made NASA correct mistakes on their data more than once. A really good website with some really good credible information. It's a very long read, but as it makes this claim on page 8 it got my attention.
we will explain why all press releases from NOAAs NCDC, NASAs GISS, and Hadley/
CRU should henceforth be ignored. The terrestrial datasets have become seriously flawed and can no longer be trusted for climate trend assessment
http://scienceandpublicpolicy.org/images/stories/papers/originals/surface_temp.pdf

This is the background to the story:
In a new report, computer expert E. Michael Smith and Certified Consulting Meteorologist Joseph D'Aleo discovered extensive manipulation of the temperature data by the U.S. Government's two primary climate centers: the National Climate Data Center (NCDC) in Ashville, North Carolina and the NASA Goddard Institute for Space Studies (GISS) at Columbia University in New York City. Smith and D'Aleo accuse these centers of manipulating temperature data to give the appearance of warmer temperatures than actually occurred by trimming the number and location of weather observation stations
And remember this one i posted as well, Russia is asking questions about their data
A leading Russian think-tank claims the British meteorological office has been misrepresenting Russian weather data to manupulate the results and suggest rising temperature trends. The Moscow Institute of Economic Analysis alleges the Hadley Center for Climate Change used only a quarter of the data provided by Russia. Analysts for the agency imply that climate experts selectively used incomplete reporting that emphasized a warming effect.
Also upto %40 of Russia's Territory is not represented at all. The claims are a lot of the data has been selectively taken from Urban areas, which are warmer due to urban heat island effect.
In Canada, the number of stations dropped from 600 to less than 50. The percentage of stations in the lower elevations (below 300 feet) tripled and those at higher elevations above 3000 feet were reduced by half. Canadas semi-permanent depicted warmth comes from interpolating from more southerly locations to fill northerly vacant grid boxes, even as a simple average of the available stations shows an apparent cooling.

Just one thermometer remains for everything north of the 65th parallel. That station is Eureka, which has been described as The Garden Spot of the Arctic thanks to the flora and fauna abundant around the Eureka area, more so than anywhere else in the High Arctic. Winters are frigid but summers are slightly warmer than at other places in the Canadian Arctic.
 
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More examples are flooding out regarding sources IPCC are using.

UN climate change panel based claims on student dissertation and magazine article
By Richard Gray, Science Correspondent and Rebecca Lefort, UK Telegraph

The revelation will cause fresh embarrassment for the The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), which had to issue a humiliating apology earlier this month over inaccurate statements about global warming.

The IPCCs remit is to provide an authoritative assessment of scientific evidence on climate change. The revelation will cause fresh embarrassment for the The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), which had to issue a humiliating apology earlier this month over inaccurate statements about global warming.

The IPCCs remit is to provide an authoritative assessment of scientific evidence on climate change. The revelation will cause fresh embarrassment for the The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), which had to issue a humiliating apology earlier this month over inaccurate statements about global warming. The IPCCs remit is to provide an authoritative assessment of scientific evidence on climate change.

In its most recent report, it stated that observed reductions in mountain ice in the Andes, Alps and Africa was being caused by global warming, citing two papers as the source of the information.

However, it can be revealed that one of the sources quoted was a feature article published in a popular magazine for climbers which was based on anecdotal evidence from mountaineers about the changes they were witnessing on the mountainsides around them.

The other was a dissertation written by a geography student, studying for the equivalent of a masters degree, at the University of Berne in Switzerland that quoted interviews with mountain guides in the Alps. The revelations, uncovered by The Sunday Telegraph, have raised fresh questions about the quality of the information contained in the report, which was published in 2007.

It comes after officials for the panel were forced earlier this month to retract inaccurate claims in the IPCCs report about the melting of Himalayan glaciers. Sceptics have seized upon the mistakes to cast doubt over the validity of the IPCC and have called for the panel to be disbanded.

This week scientists from around the world leapt to the defence of the IPCC, insisting that despite the errors, which they describe as minor, the majority of the science presented in the IPCC report is sound and its conclusions are unaffected. But some researchers have expressed exasperation at the IPCCs use of unsubstantiated claims and sources outside of the scientific literature.

Professor Richard Tol, one of the reports authors who is based at the Economic and Social Research Institute in Dublin, Ireland, said: These are essentially a collection of anecdotes. Why did they do this? It is quite astounding. Although there have probably been no policy decisions made on the basis of this, it is illustrative of how sloppy Working Group Two (the panel of experts within the IPCC responsible for drawing up this section of the report) has been. There is no way current climbers and mountain guides can give anecdotal evidence back to the 1900s, so what they claim is complete nonsense.

The IPCC report, which is published every six years, is used by governments worldwide to inform policy decisions that affect billions of people. The claims about disappearing mountain ice were contained within a table entitled Selected observed effects due to changes in the cryosphere produced by warming.
It states that reductions in mountain ice have been observed from the loss of ice climbs in the Andes, Alps and in Africa between 1900 and 2000. The report also states that the section is intended to assess studies that have been published since the TAR (Third Assessment Report) of observed changes and their effects. But neither the dissertation or the magazine article cited as sources for this information were ever subject to the rigorous scientific review process that research published in scientific journals must undergo.

The magazine article, which was written by Mark Bowen, a climber and author of two books on climate change, appeared in Climbing magazine in 2002. It quoted anecdotal evidence from climbers of retreating glaciers and the loss of ice from climbs since the 1970s. Mr Bowen said: I am surprised that they have cited an article from a climbing magazine, but there is no reason why anecdotal evidence from climbers should be disregarded as they are spending a great deal of time in places that other people rarely go and so notice the changes. The dissertation paper, written by professional mountain guide and climate change campaigner Dario-Andri Schworer while he was studying for a geography degree, quotes observations from interviews with around 80 mountain guides in the Bernina region of the Swiss Alps. Experts claim that loss of ice climbs are a poor indicator of a reduction in mountain ice as climbers can knock ice down and damage ice falls with their axes and crampons
My source is http://icecap.us/ however the Telegraph broke the story.
 
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IPCC now in Bizarroland: Pachauri releases smutty romance novel
Just when you think things cant get any more bizarre with the IPCC, having just learned that the IPPC 2007 report used magazine articles for references, head of the IPCC, Dr. Rajenda Pachauri, provides comedy gold. According to the UK Telegraph, hes just released what they describe as a smutty romance novel, Return to Almora laced with steamy sex, lots of sex. Oh, and Shirley MacLaine

EDIT:Sorry I'm vaped now but can I just say :D:D:lol::clap::rockon::rolleyes::doh::rofl:

I swear, this is car crash tv, this must be it. I'm absolutely riveted to see what next twist will be. It's fantastic!
 
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This is an interesting clip. so New Zealand eh...fudging data?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R9_Y3aU_iHE

Found this http://www.examiner.com/x-28973-Ess...d-climate-agency-accused-of-data-manipulation

The New Zealand Climate Science Coalition today issued this paper saying that a graph published by the New Zealand National Institute for Water and Atmospheric Research (NIWA) is not only wrong but is the result of painstaking and unjustified adjustment of raw temperature data covering the period from 1853 through 2008, Ian Wishart of The Briefing Room announced today.
 
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rayski

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Happycamper said:
This is an interesting clip. so New Zealand eh...fudging data?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R9_Y3aU_iHE

Found this http://www.examiner.com/x-28973-Ess...d-climate-agency-accused-of-data-manipulation

The New Zealand Climate Science Coalition today issued this paper saying that a graph published by the New Zealand National Institute for Water and Atmospheric Research (NIWA) is not only wrong but is the result of painstaking and unjustified adjustment of raw temperature data covering the period from 1853 through 2008, Ian Wishart of The Briefing Room announced today.
NZ sceptics lie about temp records, try to smear top scientist
 
rayski,

Happycamper

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rayski said:
Happycamper said:
This is an interesting clip. so New Zealand eh...fudging data?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R9_Y3aU_iHE

Found this http://www.examiner.com/x-28973-Ess...d-climate-agency-accused-of-data-manipulation

The New Zealand Climate Science Coalition today issued this paper saying that a graph published by the New Zealand National Institute for Water and Atmospheric Research (NIWA) is not only wrong but is the result of painstaking and unjustified adjustment of raw temperature data covering the period from 1853 through 2008, Ian Wishart of The Briefing Room announced today.
NZ sceptics lie about temp records, try to smear top scientist
Hi Rayski and welcome back. I will admit it's something I'm willing to think that the answer given for why corrections were made is reasonable.
 
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Cold Snap Killed Coral
A cold snap earlier this month killed or bleached significant amounts of coral in the waters off South Florida and the Florida Keys, according to an analysis this week by Nature Conservancy scientists.

According to Meaghan Johnson, marine science coordinator with the Nature Conservancy, about 50 to 70 percent of the Nature Conservancys sample coral reef area in the upper Keys is either bleaching or dead.
Other marine animals, such as manatees, turtles, sponges, and fish, also died or were injured in Florida due to the recent intense cold snap.

This is the first time since January 1977 that a cold-water bleaching and die-off has occurred in south Florida, according to the conservancy. That was the winter that snow was reported in Miami for the only time in its history
http://blogs.usatoday.com/sciencefair/2010/01/cold-snap-killed-florida-coral.html
 
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Lo

Combustion free since '09
I'm a manatee advocate here in Florida and we have reports of about 100 cold related manatee deaths already this year. We also had loads of sea turtles being rescued from the cold (and some dead). We had a massive kill here with this last cold snap...plants & wildlife alike :(
 
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Happycamper

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I'm sorry to hear that Lo. Has your cold snap gone now? I had heard about iguanas falling from trees (but they are not native to the area I read), but I didnt know other animals were effected as badly.
 
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rayski said:
Happycamper,
Here's an article that looks at uncertainties and climate models:More knowledge, less certainty

Spencer and Christy will highlight the uncertainties to delay legislation:Pork barrel spending on skeptical climate research? Earmarks from Alabama
Christy helped with this statement from the AGU
The Earth's climate is now clearly out of balance and is warming. Many components of the climate system--including the temperatures of the atmosphere, land and ocean, the extent of sea ice and mountain glaciers, the sea level, the distribution of precipitation, and the length of seasons--are now changing at rates and in patterns that are not natural and are best explained by the increased atmospheric abundances of greenhouse gases and aerosols generated by human activity during the 20th century.
The statement was drafted by Marvin Geller, John Christy and Ellen Druffel [3] and revised and reaffirmed[4] by the AGU Council
I would rather have Christy around. It's Hanson that needs to go.
 
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The red flags came out at Copenhagen
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FN401-BFXOw

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Bless him. At his booklaunch. Well at least he's got a smile on his face. To say he's in $1000 suits how does he always manage to look like he's been dragged through a hedge backwards?
 
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Lake Powell (Arizona and Utah) provides a good proxy for western slope snowfall, because much of the snow in Wyoming, Colorado, Utah and Northwestern New Mexico drains into the lake via the Colorado, Green and San Juan Rivers. The lake currently contains more than 4.5 trillion gallons of water and is 490 feet deep at the dam.

Between 2000 and 2005, drought conditions (combined with greatly increased water usage in Arizona, California, Nevada and Colorado) caused Lake Powell levels to drop nearly 120 feet. This prompted a considerable consensus of global warming hysteria.

Every scientific study confirms that global warming will cause the amount of water in the Colorado River to decline
But a strange thing happened in 2006 the lake level stopped declining and instead started increasing rapidly.
Outflow (water usage) has greatly increased over the last few decades due to massive population increases in Phoenix, Las Vegas and Southern California not to mention the large and ever increasing amount of water being used by the biofuels industry. (It has been estimated by the University of Twente in The Netherlands that the manufacture of one liter of biodiesel requires 14,000 liters of water).

The point being that despite large increases in outflow, the lake level has been rapidly recovering. This could be due to only one explanation lots and lots of snow in the Rocky Mountains during the last five years.

And an extra bonus from the weather is not climate department January 29, 2010 at 39.9 degrees was ten degrees below normal and the second coldest on record
http://wattsupwiththat.com/

Edit: I have to post this
Global warming science implodes overseas: American media silent
By Rick Moran, The American Thinker

The revelations have been nothing short of jaw dropping. Dozens - yes dozens - of claims made in the IPCC 2007 report on climate change that was supposed to represent the consensus of 2500 of the worlds climate scientists have been shown to be bogus, or faulty, or not properly vetted, or simply pulled out of thin air.

We know this because newspapers in Great Britain are doing their job; vetting the 2007 report item by item, coming up with shocking news about global warming claims that formed the basis of argument by climate change advocates who were pressuring the US and western industrialized democracies to transfer trillions of dollars in wealth to the third world and cede sovereignty to the UN.

Glaciergate, tempgate, icegate, and now, disappearing Amazon forests not the result of warming, but of logging. And the report the IPCC based their bogus science on was written by a food safety advocate according to this Christopher Booker piece in the Telegraph :

Dr North next uncovered Amazongate. The IPCC made a prominent claim in its 2007 report, again citing the WWF as its authority, that climate change could endanger up to 40 per cent of the Amazon rainforest - as iconic to warmists as those Himalayan glaciers and polar bears. This WWF report, it turned out, was co-authored by Andy Rowell, an anti-smoking and food safety campaigner who has worked for WWF and Greenpeace, and contributed pieces to Britains two most committed environmentalist newspapers. Rowell and his co-author claimed their findings were based on an article in Nature. But the focus of that piece, it emerges, was not global warming at all but the effects of logging.
A Canadian analyst has identified more than 20 passages in the IPCCs report which cite similarly non-peer-reviewed WWF or Greenpeace reports as their authority, and other researchers have been uncovering a host of similarly dubious claims and attributions all through the report. These range from groundless allegations about the increased frequency of extreme weather events such as hurricanes, droughts and heatwaves, to a headline claim that global warming would put billions of people at the mercy of water shortages - when the study cited as its authority indicated exactly the opposite, that rising temperatures could increase the supply of water.

This is a great story. It has everything a media outlet could desire; scandal, conflict of interest (IPCC head Pauchuri runs companies that benefited from climate scare stories), government cover ups - why then, has this unraveling of the basis of climate science that posited catastrophic man made warming not been making any news at all in the United States?

Its too easy to simply claim bias. Media outlets dont pass up juicy stories that could potentially increase their readership and revenue for ideological purposes (except the New York Times - and even they could spin all of this to show skeptics to be using flawed arguments like the liberal Guardian is doing in England).

Perhaps its time to ask why this story being revealed overseas with new revelations almost daily in the Daily Mail, the Telegraph, the Timesonline, and other Fleet Street publications cant get any traction here. Blogs like Watts up with That and Climate Depot are keeping us informed of the latest from England but we hear crickets chirping when it comes to stories from major newspapers and - outside of Fox News - the cable nets.

As global warming the political movement is losing its scientific justification, the American people - who will be asked to foot the bill to the tune of trillions of dollars if Obama goes ahead with his green plans - are grossly uninformed about the state of the debate. Until the media starts to give this story the coverage it deserves, that state of affairs will not change.
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2010/01/global_warming_science_implode.html

Everyone knows i'm in the UK. There is so much stuff flooding out, even I can't keep up with it. Don't know what it like for you guys unless this is. Are you really not hearing about this stuff?
 
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Guys i've found a link to show what has been coming out.

Vtac: Is this enough for you to take as proving your claim false?
http://climatedepot.com/

Scientists have underestimated the role that water vapour plays in determining global temperature changes, according to a new study that could fuel further attacks on the science of climate change.

The research, led by one of the world's top climate scientists, suggests that almost one-third of the global warming recorded during the 1990s was due to an increase in water vapour in the high atmosphere, not human emissions of greenhouse gases. A subsequent decline in water vapour after 2000 could explain a recent slowdown in global temperature rise, the scientists add
Guardian Newspaper (used to be proagw)
 
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Sorry to post a new thread, and Vtac please merge it eventually. I imagine (because of my excessive posting) a lot of people won't see the normal thread.

There is so much stuff coming out in the UK, Europe and other countires. Ive heard that you are not hearing it all.
Please check this link and look through the information. http://climatedepot.com/
 
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An increase in atmospheric water vapor is responsible for at least a third of the average temperature increase since the early 1990s, say scientists at the US National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA). Susan Soloman, the respected climate scientist who lead the research, says that this finding does not undermine man-made global warming theories. "Not to my mind it doesn't," she said. Soloman did point out thatthe research does allude to human emissions having a much smaller role in climate change than previously thought, and serves as a warning to climate modelers who "over-interpret the results from a few years one way or another." Despite Soloman's personally held belief, the NOAA study is expected to give further ammunition to climate skeptics working to draw public attention to perceived flaws in man-made global warming theories.
Soloman did point out that the research does allude to human emissions having a much smaller role in climate change than previously thought...
Soloman is the co chair of the IPCC 2007 report
 
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