Happy Daddy Genesis System Discussion

[PoopMachine]

Im really curious for people's feedback on this nail. I didnt post this in concentrates because apparently this nail is also capable of vaporing flower as well as oil. Hopefully the mods will let it stay here as Im not really sure where to put it.

So.. Ive ordered one of these and it should be here tomorrow. The claim that it will vape flower (And they do show that in the video for it) is amazing. I wanted to see if anyone could provide any tips or feedback on using this unit.

There's not much out there on this unit.. I know its new and its kind of pricey but the Interwebz is sparse with info on the Genesis.

Thanks!

 

[Kief]

A link and a pic may be helpful here... http://www.happydaddyproducts.net/product/genesis-system/

 

[Silver420Surfer]

I am partial to flat style carp caps. But I don't encounter much flower these days to justify the cost.
Interested to see how it performs though. For those who use flowers, this could be a nice addition to the vape arsenal.

 

[PoopMachine]

Thats my hope as well. Happy Daddy couldnt get my unit to me today due to weather so it will be tomorrow before I get to try it out

 

[Detonator]

They should write the word Sublimator a few more times it got my attention!.. I want to see video. So link it up. So you can heat it with a torch or get the enail version complete for 350$ is that right? I hate there web site , cant tell what is what.

 

[PoopMachine]

Heres the video....

Heres another one where they heat the nail once and dab off of it multiple times for about 2:30. They appear to have a hard time finishing the show here.. I wonder why

 

[VoltageKeeper]

Here's some pictures of mine...

Of course I really should have taken a picture of the bottom of the bowl area...its basically threaded, but anything coming down from the 3 holes from the top part will drip down onto the titanium piece below (which is the piece above it in the photo). That said, when it falls down one of the 3 holes, it won't fall directly down the center on the plate below, but rather the edge. This is sort of where the reclaim/"sublimator" magic happens, I guess? It's kind of like the same thing the sublimator is doing in some ways, basically just a second possibly place for it to catch the dab if it's not fully vaped the first time around....

I notice there will be a charry buildup from the edge towards the center hole in this second chamber of the nail, so it's gotta be doing something in there. It's really the fact it even has a second chamber at all like that which gives it some uniqueness in that regard. On the other hand, it does mean the coil is farther away from the actual dabbing area, so you have to increase the temperature a bit to compensate, but the titanium holds the heat pretty well so once things have reached temperature it's usually pretty stable after a dab.

 

[NinjaMindTriks]

Does this really vape dry herbs?

 

[VoltageKeeper]

i've still not tried that....I can't see it really being much different than sticking dry herbs into any other nail? Probably have to turn the temp down a bit so it doesn't combust.

 

[Tstat]

Pretty interesting to see a completely new type of nail developed. A little pricey, but very cool!

 

[VoltageKeeper]

i thought about the whole flower thing some more, I bet if you purposely left the carb cap on to get hot, lifted it off real quick to drop some herb on and put it back, then inhaled, it would probably work somewhat to pre-heat the air coming in through the holes in the carb cap.....may work somewhat better that way than not doing anything at all.

i wish the mini could act as an enail, it's only a 3-piece design and not a 4-piece design so it doesn't lend itself to it quite as well without some kind of custom adapter.

 

[PoopMachine]

Well, it came in today. Im trying to burn off the gallon of machining oil its covered with so hopefully by the end of the night with the e-nail at 800 degrees, it will be clean.

 

[VoltageKeeper]

fwiw, my normal dabbing temp on the genesis with the quartz insert is 750f.

for cleaning, you can take it 1000f+ no problem, but I usually torch it. It will discolor it if you torch it, but ive torched it so much now that i just stopped caring. I actually was torching it before I ever got my flat coil for it, so it's seen it's fair share of use both ways.

 

[PoopMachine]

Have you used it with anything other than a flat coil? I have the enail adapter and Im not real sure how well that thing actually works. Im having a tough time getting it to even do oil.

Just actually got off the phone with Ken at HDP.. very nice gentleman. He gave me some good pointers on the nail, temperatures, etc so Im looking forward to trying his advice out this evening.

 

[VoltageKeeper]

Well, I normally run it with the flat coil at 750f. I have not tried it with the barrel, but my experience with flat vs barrel in other nails has shown that it's usually add another 50-80f for a barrel. I'd try around 800-830f maybe.

Also, wait a good 3-5 minutes after your nail says it's reached temperature before actually dabbing, the large titanium mass takes a while to fully distribute the heat. It definitely is not ready to dab on when my enail controller says it's reached temperature, If you have an infrared thermometer you can measure the top and see it will heat up a lot slower than the coil itself, I have watched it before and usually wait til the top is over 450f before I dab off it.

 

[PoopMachine]

Good advice. Ive bumped the temperature to 750 so we'll start that. Thats where Ken told me to start.

 

[VoltageKeeper]

How'd you ever fair with it?

I just switched back to my genesis after going ceramic again for a week. Main thing I'm noticing is that I was cleaning the ceramic a lot more, and that the ceramic seemed to be fowling up the odor a lot once it got dirty....the genesis will get dirty eventually, but with the amounts of shatter I go through it seems to be a bit less frequent. I'm still really enjoying this setup.

 

[PoopMachine]

Im still on the fence. It works good with oil but in their video, they got it to work fantastic with flower and bubble hash. I havent had any luck with either of those. Just small wisps when you drop the plant in.

Mrs P hates the quartz insert... Im not too sure why.

I dunno.. Im not writing it off and Im going to keep using it. I may just not have found the sweet spot. Ken @ HDP also said it was designed around using a flat coil with it but the specific coil you need comes from DNail and they are out of stock on it. I thought about trying to open the ID of mine up but I havent had a lot of luck with that.

 

[Detonator]

they say it is vaporizing flowers but I didn't see it.. I just heard them saying it.. Looks like an enail to me..

How do you turn the temp up and down?

If you leave the cap thing on and let it get hot then put in some ground herb I bet it would work better.

If the entire chamber were the exact temp needed to vape flower then it might work better? Is yours digital? How do you turn it up and down ? what setting? for flower?

I been waiting for someone to copy the Sub,,, they aren't there yet. But if they designed it a little diff and got it heated top and bottom they might be close.. hmm

 

[PoopMachine]

Its just a nail. Im using an Auber e-nail with it. It can be used with a torch as well but they show the herb being done with an e-nail.

 

[PoopMachine]

Dropped the temperature down to about 650 last night and got some great dabs out of the Genesis nail. There is definitely a steep learning curve. Im not 100% sure how I feel about it but its back in the rotation for now.

 

[VoltageKeeper]

I've been using mine at 717 lately....slightly lower temp myself.

it needs to warm up for a good 5-10 minutes before use, for sure. It seems slightly lower temps are no problem as long as you are patient and wait for the heat to fully distribute its way around.

I've been using my prototype fuzzy logic PID based controller with it actually. I do think this nail has a wider temperature drop after taking a dab than say, my quartz banger nails.

 

[PoopMachine]

Thats interesting... I would have thought the opposite. They have a video where they heat the nail up with a torch and take like a dozen dabs in 2:30. Its a huge piece of metal and titanium retains heat pretty good.

 

[VoltageKeeper]

i think the difference is, when you heat it with a torch, it's potentially much, much, hotter, and you heat up a larger portion of it. With the enail, and low temp dabbing, it's not going to retain as much, especially not after taking a dab. i definitely notice 8-10f drop, where as on my quartz banger it's often more like 5f. I'm not sure how that translates into the dish on top cooling, but given it's got an air gap between it and the heater below, i wouldn't be surprised if it does cool off a bit and re-heat. It's no where near as bad as the quartz castle enails though, i feel like the entire thing being made of quartz isolates the heat even more from the dish, the genesis is sort of the best of both worlds in that regard.

i'm just going based off what I've seen, I've been trying to calibrate all my controllers to get the drop from a dab even smaller, so i have been paying pretty close attention to it.

 

[PoopMachine]

So I ended up getting the coil that DNail sells that this nail was designed around. Basically the flat coils Auber sells have an 8mm opening in the center and the ones DNail sells has a 10mm opening in the middle. The 10mm opening fits perfectly around the "shoulder" on the Genesis nail. When you screw it all back together, you have the flat coil in between the chambers and the heatsink piece underneath.

This coil is the way this nail was meant to be used. I wish I had never bought the adapter because it just doesnt put the heat in the right place. Ive been able to drop the temperature about 40 degrees and the nail is still just as effective.. and I have the quartz dish in.

I can honestly say if youre using one of these in an enail configuration, you NEED the coil from Dnail... that is unless you can unwind yours and open the middle up. I didnt have much luck with this.