Glycerin cooling VS water pipe?

[vapeguy]

I was wondering how the 7th floor/LSV saturn vapor tamer compares to a water pipe. What are the differences between using both? Obviously the vapor tamer will cool the vapor much more and the vapor never actually goes through any liquid but what difference does this make to the vapor?

I've always been highly skeptical of water pipes, I never understood how vapor or smoke making a bubble in water and then being released would have any effect on the vapor or smoke, it always seemed like a total gimmick but that's just my impression. I almost never used a water pipe (either when I used to smoke or since I vape) because I never believed it to make any difference other than the money they made selling it to me. But I noticed lots of people on here using them with their vape so either I don't understand what a water pipe does or a bunch of you have been fooled into buying unless accessories.

Can anyone explain to me if something really happens when vapor passes through water and if so what? Is it only used to cool the vapor? That would make sense, and mean that the vapor tamer would do a better job since it's frozen, but does it have any effect other than cooling the vapor?

Sometimes the vapor can tend to make you cough, would either of those 2 devices help prevent coughing and if so which?

The reason I'm asking is to decide whether I should get a saturn vapor tamer, a water pipe, or neither. If they both do the same then I might prefer the vapor tamer since you don't have to deal with water, though you have to keep it frozen.

Thanks to anyone who can explain the differences between a vapor tamer and water pipe to help me decide which, if any, to buy.

 

[FLskwat]

Water filtration: cools vapor temp., traps particles
VT: does the same, and also traps particles because of the coil design and the fact that water droplets form in the inner walls of that glass coil because of thermic chock!

If you have small lung capacity I would maybe go VT as there is no drag etc...but after all it's a setup choice and has many factors to be considered...

 

[vapeguy]

Thanks for the info, do you know how long a vaper tamer stays cool for? I like that it doesn't require refilling with water and can't leak, but it has the major disadvantage of taking a long time to "recharge" in the freezer so I'll have to decide what I prefer.

Any other info to help me decide?

And what about reducing coughing, will they both do that?

Thanks

 

[FLskwat]

Fatty VT: 30 mn
Saturn VT: 45 mn


Yes both will reduce coughing!

If you go down the VT road I would go with 2 and switch from 1 in the freezer to the other!

 

[diebodie]

Water pipes do work. Heat is energy created by the movement of particles. If you can slow down the movement you can slow down the amount of heat energy created. Since water is denser than air it will better slow down the movement of those particles thus reducing the amount of heat.

Imagine being outside naked in 50 degree weather. If you move around enough in an hour you'll probably be a bit still but otherwise fine. Try that in 50 degree water. If you don't move much in an hour you'll be dead. If you move a lot you'll be dead in 30 minutes. That's because water absorbs heat better than air.

 

[Roger D]

Salut, ami francophone ! Interesting, but in this case I would talk in therms of transfers, not absorption. Nothing is lost, nothing is created, everything is transformed.

Its not only about the heat. Its also about the dryness of the vapors. This dryness is a pain for the respiratory system. I was dry vaping for 4 years, now I breathe better since I water filter. I just bought a basic 25€ bong to try, added a kind of cheap diffuser to improve it a bit.
I'm totally looking forward for a real bubbler now. There are real benefits.

BTW, Am I the only one to drink the vapors infused water ? I never throw away a drop of that dank tasting refreshment. I'm pretty sure there is good stuff in there.

 

[Bon Dog]

No i know that the idea i am about to bring to the table is a bit 'against the grain' (but has been discussed before, ill find the link soon). instead of trying to get colder and colder hits, try hitting your vape through a bong containing hot water. i know what you are thinking... this guy is f'ing crazy lol. but here is the theory behind it.
warm water will release more water vapor than cold and since one of the big problems with using a vape is the dry air, i find that hot water 'hydrates' my hits better than cold. i have almost stopped using cold water all together lol

sorry if it is confusing but i am really high , 3 day birthday celebrations really take a toll lol.
edit: here is the tread: http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/warm-water-higher-of-molecules-in-gas-phase.5936/

 

[Ingjr]

I agree with Bon Dog. Hot or warm water is the way to go. Kind of like a room vaporizer does with steam.

 

[Roger D]

Warm water is totally the best, you get the smoothest hits/maximum potency, but I'm bubbling mostly at room temperature cause I'm a lazy ass.
Using very cold water with ice and stuff is not efficient since colder means more condensation / loss of actives.

The next generation cloud style vap should come with a built in water warmer

 

[Bon Dog]

The next generation cloud style vap should come with a built in water warmer

YES!!! that would be badass. but i think that the more powerful vapes (i.e. the cloud) would keep the water warmer (i use mflb/pa)

 

[Roger D]

I had a even better idea : integrate one of those above the air path with a built in processor for perfectly moisture conditionned vapor

 

[HyDroid]

I had a even better idea : integrate one of those above the air path with a built in processor for perfectly moisture conditionned vapor

Brookstone makes an ultrasonic aromatherapy fogger with what looks like a 1/2" hold in the top if you catch my drift.

In case you don't, T-junction some tubing from the blow hole into the vapor path.

Can't find the Brookstone version anymore but here's something similar:

http://www.amazon.com/AromaSens-Ultrasonic-Aromatherapy-Diffuser/dp/B004HZEX8Y/ref=sr_1_fkmr0_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1349643998&sr=8-2-fkmr0&keywords=brookstone ultrasonic aromatherapy

Condensation happens VERY quickly, which can be bad for tube sanitation, but besides that...

 

[vapeguy]

Thanks for the replies.

Hot water does make more sense to me even though I didn't understand the point of a water pipe. I do have an old water pipe from my combustion days, I'll try it right now with hot water and my Solo...

I just tried it, but I don't really have anything to compare it to other than "dry vaping" plus I haven't been using my Solo much lately. I'll definitely do more experimenting with my water pipe, especially once I get my LSV. I'll also have to clean it as it's adding a smoke taste to my vapor.

 

[OO]

particle trapping is a stupid reason, unless you walk around with one attached to your face. as others have mentioned, the idea of having a humidifier does help, alot of people attest to warm water's effectiveness.

 

[Pseudonymous]

I used to own a tamer but thankfully sold it to a friend. He really likes it but I thought it was pretty dumb and didn't stay cold long enough. Now I've got a great bong and I just keep filling it with ice and water. You really can't do better than that and you can get a decent bong for not too too much more than what the tamer costs. If you don't have an ice dispensing fridge, buy a giant bag of it for a couple bucks or even get a cooler filled at McDonald's for free.