Glass fan forced vape. Any input?

[Zadner]

Hello all,

This is my first post but I have lurked here for the better part of the last two years. I have designed myself a vaporizer which is made completely from glass (bar the electronics). Within the next few weeks I will be getting the first full prototype blown (I have already tested everything) and I am just curious what FC thinks of this design.

It is basically composed of a glass outer shell, 18 mm glass tube (with one end sealed then perforated), a glass fan blade and enclosure for a small motor along with a heating element which is covered in glass.

I understand that this might sound like an almost silly idea for a vaporizer due to the fact that it could be easily broken, but I have noticed that I can pick up slight tastes from other vaporizers where it is not all glass. I found that the pros outweigh the cons in this piece; it will be thick walled borosilicate so unless it falls onto a tiled or cement floor it should survive. Plus I wanted it to look cool.

I have not yet determined how many L/s of air I want to move, or the temperature. I'm thinking that I might just have a small external VVPS which can independently control the temp and fan speed.

Obviously I am not planning to have it fill a plastic bag either as this would undermine my whole design idea, rather I plan to have balloon shaped glass with two holes- one for filling and one to act like a shot hole so that the vapor flows.

Any input or advice would be appreciated.

[please note that I am not marketing my design/vaporizer, just looking for an input on how I could better it and the overall opinion of it within this community. Also wasn't sure if this was the correct sub ]

 

[Delta3DStudios]

Welcome! Always great to see new members (even if you were a former longtime lurker!)

Sounds like a unique idea - though I can't really picture what it is in my head - can't wait to see some pictures!

Having an all-glass vapor path isn't a bad thing! Look at the Gnome vaporizer! You can't get more breakable than that!

The question is - why do you need a fan at all? why not have a direct draw option?

 

[Bouldorado]

Cool concept but I don't see why a fan would be needed. Fans are good at blowing bags. Bags are good because they're lightweight , durable, and easy to use and to store. I don't think anything rigid sided would work effectively as a bag substitute, because you would need something huge to get similar volume as a bag. If you can't get enough volume for at least several hits, then you might as well just go direct draw. And I would definitely not want to use a glass balloon in a party setting.

It'd be awesome if you could compress vapor into a small container (like a weed inhaler) but I doubt that's feasible.

 

[amberevil]

="Bouldorado, post: 678779, member: 6414"]Cool concept but I don't see why a fan would be needed. Fans are good at blowing bags. Bags are good because they're lightweight , durable, and easy to use and to store. I don't think anything rigid sided would work effectively as a bag substitute, because you would need something huge to get similar volume as a bag. If you can't get enough volume for at least several hits, then you might as well just go direct draw. And I would definitely not want to use a glass balloon in a party setting.

It'd be awesome if you could compress vapor into a small container (like a weed inhaler) but I doubt that's feasible.

That is what I use to imagine as the ultimate portable medication tool. I feel a good vape pen is a pretty good sunstittute for that though.

Back on topic, I like the sounds of the all glass vape but I think half the project would be the heating element. Any information on what you plan for that?

Modnote: Edited to fix quote tags

 

[Zadner]

Welcome! Always great to see new members (even if you were a former longtime lurker!)

Sounds like a unique idea - though I can't really picture what it is in my head - can't wait to see some pictures!

Having an all-glass vapor path isn't a bad thing! Look at the Gnome vaporizer! You can't get more breakable than that!

The question is - why do you need a fan at all? why not have a direct draw option?

Thanks for the warm welcome.

Yes I'll post the photos as soon as possible just discussing everything with the glass blower at the moment.

I suppose that the fan isn't necessary but I thought why not + it'll allow for 'bag' filling for a glass 'bag'. Without the forced air this wouldn't be possible. Sometimes I just like to lie back and sip slowly on vapor so I thought that a forced air vaporizer would be nice.

Direct draw could be possible if there was an independent switch for the fan. The fan shouldn't interfere with a direct draw air path to a large degree, or the fan could simply be removed which would drop costs.

Cool concept but I don't see why a fan would be needed. Fans are good at blowing bags. Bags are good because they're lightweight , durable, and easy to use and to store. I don't think anything rigid sided would work effectively as a bag substitute, because you would need something huge to get similar volume as a bag. If you can't get enough volume for at least several hits, then you might as well just go direct draw. And I would definitely not want to use a glass balloon in a party setting.

It'd be awesome if you could compress vapor into a small container (like a weed inhaler) but I doubt that's feasible.

I am looking into filling a small container with large quantity of vapor.
This vape isn't really designed for a party environment, due to it's fragility; more a solo vape.
There should be enough room for several hits of plant material but it is mainly for concentrates.

[QUOT="Bouldorado, post: 678779, member: 6414"]Cool concept but I don't see why a fan would be needed. Fans are good at blowing bags. Bags are good because they're lightweight , durable, and easy to use and to store. I don't think anything rigid sided would work effectively as a bag substitute, because you would need something huge to get similar volume as a bag. If you can't get enough volume for at least several hits, then you might as well just go direct draw. And I would definitely not want to use a glass balloon in a party setting.

It'd be awesome if you could compress vapor into a small container (like a weed inhaler) but I doubt that's feasible.

That is what I use to imagine as the ultimate portable medication tool. I feel a good vape pen is a pretty good sunstittute for that though.

Back on topic, I like the sounds of the all glass vape but I think half the project would be the heating element. Any information on what you plan for that?[/QUOTE]

My plan for the heating coil is most likely nichrome wire, its simple, will look nice in the glass and can get up to the temp. Will need to test properly on the first full prototype due to the different environment. So far I've only been bench testing the coil without it being in the enclosure.

 

[amberevil]

Will it be a plug in or battery powered.

 

[Zadner]

This one will be plug in.
Could possibly do a portable one in future.

 

[Stu]

I am looking into filling a small container with large quantity of vapor.
This vape isn't really designed for a party environment, due to it's fragility; more a solo vape.

If you are using a glass container, then the air has to be displaced by the incoming vapor, so you would have an open system that would spew vapor as it fills. Plastic bags work since there is no air to displace in an empty (crushed) bag.

 

[Zadner]

If you are using a glass container, then the air has to be displaced by the incoming vapor, so you would have an open system that would spew vapor as it fills. Plastic bags work since there is no air to displace in an empty (crushed) bag.

That is true.

Now I haven't done any tests yet however it should be feasible to have the container filled with a gas which is heavier or lighter than the vapor (depending on the set up), which the vapor would displace allowing only the unwanted gas to exit the chamber.

This would have to be watched more closely than a bag though.

Of course this is just pure speculation.

 

[hf]

you could just make a glass gravity-ish bong that could act as your bag?

 

[Zadner]

It seems that the overall consensus is to remove the fan and just run it as a direct draw.

If in the near future I decided to produce this vape for others would there be more interest in it if it was a direct draw?

 

[amberevil]

I feel like that is going to be similar function to a glass bong and enail. Well, that is my favorite setup Ive tried.

 

[max]

would there be more interest in it if it was a direct draw?

Of course you need forced air to fill bags, but otherwise it hasn't been popular (and just adds noise and complication). Vapes that fill bags also have limited appeal. S&B has sold more Volcanos due to the myth that 'Volcano is the best', vs. the fact that it fills bags.

Direct draw, using only the vaporist's lung power as an air mover, is by far the most popular design, as well as the easiest to build and for the user to maintain.

 

[Zadner]

Of course you need forced air to fill bags, but otherwise it hasn't been popular (and just adds noise and complication). Vapes that fill bags also have limited appeal. S&B has sold more Volcanos due to the myth that 'Volcano is the best', vs. the fact that it fills bags.

Direct draw, using only the vaporist's lung power as an air mover, is by far the most popular design, as well as the easiest to build and for the user to maintain.

Ah okay. Well I might leave the fan out and see how it goes.

 

[Hoops]

It seems that the overall consensus is to remove the fan and just run it as a direct draw.

My opinion would be to focus all attention on the heating element and airflow on your first run at this. The fan and glass balloon ideas can be incorporated into the design after the functionality of the heating element is 'perfected'.

I think fans and balloons are a good idea....but would be better addressed after you have a direct draw unit that produces copius amounts of vapor.

Maybe design the unit to utilize an external 'add-on' fan that can be purchased separately as an accessory once you have a vaporizer that produces good vapor. Do it well and one 'glass' fan could be used on many different vapes.

Just my opinion, but I would think of this as two separate projects to be brought together at a later date.

 

[Zadner]

My opinion would be to focus all attention on the heating element and airflow on your first run at this. The fan and glass balloon ideas can be incorporated into the design after the functionality of the heating element is 'perfected'.

I think fans and balloons are a good idea....but would be better addressed after you have a direct draw unit that produces copius amounts of vapor.

Maybe design the unit to utilize an external 'add-on' fan that can be purchased separately as an accessory once you have a vaporizer that produces good vapor. Do it well and one 'glass' fan could be used on many different vapes.

Just my opinion, but I would think of this as two separate projects to be brought together at a later date.

That seems like a good idea.
I suppose if I went that path it would be much cheaper as well.
This is what I wanted as well, for good opinions on how to better the vape.


I called my glassblower today and I will hopefully head out there in two weeks at the latest. It is a shame that he is a two and a half hour drive away and the only glassblower in my area.