First vaporizer ever. Should I pick up a Dynavap M7 XL or a Dani Fusion 2.0?

[Perfect_Speed4069]

Yes i have been playing around for the last week with one of the Knock off Terpcicle. There does seem be a bit of a learning curve on that. But i am having improvements each try i get. The Terpcicle can pack a bunch, but what i really made me want to do was try a Dynavap.


Why do you like Dani Fusion 2 over the Dynavap? (Artemis is just the stem right?)

I meant the small glass caps called Quartz caps by TRWW (also available as knock offs) that fit into dynavaps.

My love of the Fusion (and Fusion 2) is down to
- flavour
- versatility (one hits or sessions are both easy, as is microdosing .015g or .15g bowls)
- build quality (as robust, if not more than the Dynavap)
- cleaning (I find fusions much easier to clean than the fiddly Dynavaps, and much less rigmarole than the Revolve stems I've used exclusively for the last 2 years).

The only real downside to begin with was the amount of power the Fusion needs to function well versus the Dynavap. But the Jobon Bullet lighter (£9 Ali vEx) does an excellent job and powerful enough without being stupidly large.

I also find the marketing of Dynavaps massively cringey, and I judge them terribly for their Krusty the Clown type branding of inferior products.

 

[im not a robot]

My love of the Fusion (and Fusion 2) is down to
- flavour
- versatility (one hits or sessions are both easy, as is microdosing .015g or .15g bowls)
- build quality (as robust, if not more than the Dynavap)
- cleaning (I find fusions much easier to clean than the fiddly Dynavaps, and much less rigmarole than the Revolve stems I've used exclusively for the last 2 years).

since you own both the fusion & the vaphit - could you elaborate a bit on the main differences between these in your opinion? i obviously like the vaphit a lot, but i do prefer woodscents for its taste & vapman for its signature. how does the fusion taste & signature compare?
maybe i should add i dont really need fast extraction. i prefer sipping?

the fusion does look nice though & has a much less prohibitive pricepoint than a lot of the other main competitors. also just curious whether i should give in to another spell of vape want..

 

[Perfect_Speed4069]

since you own both the fusion & the vaphit - could you elaborate a bit on the main differences between these in your opinion? i obviously like the vaphit a lot, but i do prefer woodscents for its taste & vapman for its signature. how does the fusion taste & signature compare?
maybe i should add i dont really need fast extraction. i prefer sipping?

the fusion does look nice though & has a much less prohibitive pricepoint than a lot of the other main competitors. also just curious whether i should give in to another spell of vape want..

Many similarities but key differences. Vaphit is very cheap (10/10) and reasonably portable (7/10) the quartz cap remains quartz so inherently less robust. Overall a nice open draw, excellent flavour, fast heatup, excellent microdoser 7.5/10.

Fusion is physically more robust, and more expensive but the Fusion 1 is a solid 8/10. If you're on a tight budget consider the Fusion 1 cap and tip on a WPA, and live with the slightly smaller bowl. The Fusion 2 feels like 9/10, especially on the Artemis stem which doubles as a 14mm WPA

These are all excellent choices.

 

[hotmeals]

I also find the marketing of Dynavaps massively cringey

Lol, that is understandable. The Danis never convinced me because they always seemed like an Anvil knockoff to me, especially with those silver bands which are apparently used only as visual markers of where to point a torch. It feels like a counter "feature" to the Anvil's copper core to make it seem more fancy or advanced, except the Anvil's copper core actually performs a very significant function of heat distribution in the Anvil. I'm sure the Dani hits very nicely anyway though, and the price is pretty good.

About flavor:
If you tend to prefer more of a hybrid or convection flavor, then one of the Dani/Anvil/etc is probably the better option. Many people seem to prefer this, and I think it is part of the reason a lot of people say the Dynavaps don't taste as good. IMO, if you enjoy the flavor of heavily conduction dominant vapes, Dynavaps are capable of delivering flavor as good as anything else in that category.

 

[maremaresing]

The Danis never convinced me because they always seemed like an Anvil knockoff to me, especially with those silver bands which are apparently used only as visual markers of where to point a torch. It feels like a counter "feature" to the Anvil's copper core to make it seem more fancy or advanced, except the Anvil's copper core actually performs a very significant function of heat distribution in the Anvil. I'm sure the Dani hits very nicely anyway though, and the price is pretty good.

I'm delighted to inform you that the silver rings on the Dani's are functional, and serve the same purpose of even heating without spinning. It's a big chunky ring of silver, not decoration. I'll grant that the anvil is the first vape manufacturer to popularize this component, and likely the first vape manufacturer to utilize it.

On the fusions that ring is thinner, but so is the rest of the head. Still functional components, I assure you!

For me I was always turned off by copper near the airpath on the Anvil. That said, the real reason I avoided it was purely aesthetic. The device seems like a beast and did innovate in a stagnated vaporizer space.

 

[im not a robot]

I'll grant that the anvil is the first vape manufacturer to popularize this component

i think it might have been the vapman? but it is possible i misunderstand what the copper is doing.. doesnt really compare in any case.

 

[hotmeals]

I'm delighted to inform you that the silver rings on the Dani's are functional, and serve the same purpose of even heating without spinning.

You can also heat the all stainless Simrell FMJ or Dynavap armored cap without spinning. I don't see how 2 isolated bands of silver are going to significantly help even out the heat distribution along the entire oven.

It's a big chunky ring of silver, not decoration.

That's exactly why it seems like a decoration. It's not in contact with the places it is supposedly evenly distributing heat to. The Anvil's copper core extends throughout the entire oven and thermal battery. I'm very skeptical that the silver bands on the Dani make any noticeable performance difference. I would expect the Anvil to perform very well without its copper also, but I think the difference would be much more likely to be significant and noticeable.

 

[maremaresing]

You've almost got it, and I think the missing piece is where you think the heat should end up and how it's getting there.

The Dani, and much later the Fusion, heats the cap itself. The cap is the thermal battery. Those silver rings allow for heat from one point to wrap around the cap without hot spotting. Air enters at the bottom of the cap, is heated by it, then flows from the top of the oven down through the load and into the stem. IIRC, the Dani predates the Simrell FMJ and Armored cap, and was the direct influence to those designs. They do the same thing, and are very much "Form Follows Function".

I understand the anvil design to be the inverse of the above, doing the same thing. The "body" of the tip is the thermal battery, with the oven suspended inside. So the Tip itself is like the cap on the Dani/Fusion, and the heat rings are functional there too.

Different ways of solving the same problem.

 

[hotmeals]

The Dani, and much later the Fusion, heats the cap itself. The cap is the thermal battery.

Air enters at the bottom of the cap, is heated by it, then flows from the top of the oven down through the load and into the stem

I understand the anvil design to be the inverse of the above, doing the same thing. The "body" of the tip is the thermal battery, with the oven suspended inside. So the Tip itself is like the cap on the Dani/Fusion

That isn't really relevant. It's essentially the same design, they've just swapped which piece screws into which. We're talking about the piece on each vape that performs the same function.

IIRC, the Dani predates the Simrell FMJ and Armored cap, and was the direct influence to those designs. They do the same thing

They do it without silver rings.

and the heat rings are functional there too

They aren't just rings on the Anvil. They've melted copper into a gap in the stainless steel of the oven that extends along its entire length. I think you could probably also heat the Anvil without spinning if it were only stainless steel and get even enough results. I think the biggest difference is probably in the one hitters. The Anvil is really an amazing one hitter vape. I think the copper core helps to efficiently deliver a high percentage of the input heat to the load very quickly in a way that I don't think the silver rings of the Dani can, which allows you to acheive some really nice, dense, fast, flavorful one hit extractions with a relatively low starting temperature. I think in reviews and videos I've seen, the Dani is generally considered slower to produce vapor and requires you to go kind of hot to get it done in one hit. I admittedly have never used one so I'm not sure how true that is, maybe you would disagree with that. I wouldn't be mind blown if the Dani can do some pretty nice one hitters, but I would be a little surprised if it was as good as the Anvil/Tornado.

 

[Perfect_Speed4069]

Lol, that is understandable.

This might not be fair, but I reckon Vestratto market themselves as a super premium outfit with a big dollop of origin story and high school science, whereas BFG price themselves significantly lower, and let the products do the explaining for them. Anyway, we pay our money and we takes our choices. I'm glad both products exist, but I'm also fairly certain which company has the largest margins too - and that's a relevant factor for me.

 

[Flotsam]

I appears to me that Vestratto really relishes their high end pretension from a design aesthetic. On their web site the equipment they use for manufacturing is very high end in terms of cost as well. So i understand what they charge what they do. But dynavap would be so similar in that regard.

 

[coolbreeze]

I held off on the Dani and the Stunner for some time because they seemed less impressive somehow. Then I took the opportunity to round out my collection of those kinds of vapes and bought a Fusion 2.0. I think both the Dani and Stunner are great, with the Dani being so good I prefer it a lot of the time, not to take anything away from the Anvil, Tornado, Tempest, etc, which are all fantastic. Upshot is, the proof's in the pudding: I tried it and really liked it. It's definitely worth a chance.

 

[TigoleBitties]

I tested the waters with a Dani V3Ti and came away feeling a bit disappointed. I'm not a torch guy and even though I had the IH compatible cap, it was tough to get enough heat into it with the Wand. If you got it raging hot, it was nice but it took too long for me and was difficult to put away quickly because of the long cooldown.

I hear a lot of good things about the Fusion 2.0 but now owning a Tornado (great!), a Stunner (also great!) and a CeramoXL on the way, I feel I'll have some pretty top tier TEDs. I just don't know what it'll bring to the table that I won't already have. Also, since I use the Wand exclusively I'm drawn to TEDs like the Tornado and CeramoXL that are very efficient. I don't think I've heard that the Fusion 2 is well heated with the Wand.

 

[coolbreeze]

I tested the waters with a Dani V3Ti and came away feeling a bit disappointed. I'm not a torch guy and even though I had the IH compatible cap, it was tough to get enough heat into it with the Wand. If you got it raging hot, it was nice but it took too long for me and was difficult to put away quickly because of the long cooldown.

I hear a lot of good things about the Fusion 2.0 but now owning a Tornado (great!), a Stunner (also great!) and a CeramoXL on the way, I feel I'll have some pretty top tier TEDs. I just don't know what it'll bring to the table that I won't already have. Also, since I use the Wand exclusively I'm drawn to TEDs like the Tornado and CeramoXL that are very efficient. I don't think I've heard that the Fusion 2 is well heated with the Wand.

I'm torching these exclusively, except for the OG Stunner (only because it's got a fancy anodized cap). I've got an Inductor but I haven't gotten around to making a list of the appropriate voltages per cap so it's like I'm a virgin each time. My mileage definitely varies! ; )

 

[TigoleBitties]

I'm torching these exclusively, except for the OG Stunner (only because it's got a fancy anodized cap). I've got an Inductor but I haven't gotten around to making a list of the appropriate voltages per cap so it's like I'm a virgin each time. My mileage definitely varies! ; )

It's nice to have a lot of toys . So many that you still haven't fully explored the beastly Inductor?

I'm one to talk... I'm just now getting around to exploring the Solo3's on-demand modes and I've had it about a year now.

 

[coolbreeze]

It's nice to have a lot of toys . So many that you still haven't fully explored the beastly Inductor?

I can never keep up with that thing! I've made lists, revised lists, etc. It's seriously awesome but it requires some dedicated use if one is blessed with way too many fun things to induct. Otoh, I only have to remember which of three torches is the right one. ; )

I'm one to talk... I'm just now getting around to exploring the Solo3's on-demand modes and I've had it about a year now.

And then there's the Neo... ; )

 

[Flotsam]

OK so i pulled the trigger on the M7. Not sure when it comes but i purchased direct from Dynavap. I still want a Lobo, but i can wait till 420 sale for that.

I guess there are others they may want to argue the point but i feel like it initially defines the genre of externally heated vape. This will be a new experience for me as I own so few devices.

Not getting any other accessories at the moment besides the $10 pocket torch & screens. I guess at some point a wooden body would be useful, but what else do you think i should consider?

 

[coolbreeze]

what else do you think i should consider?

A Futo or Dynavap stash. They're nice and flat so they fit in your pocket, hold a day's worth of herbs, Help keep the smell down, can stash a DV hot, and most importantly, has a magnet. If you develop magnet discipline (set it down every time you're done with your hit) you will virtually eliminate combustion events, which almost always come from forgetting to wait for the cool-down clicks. Make sure you grab the right length, there's an XL for DVs with mouthpieces.

Also, use a half-inch flame 2/3 of the way down the cap, while spinning the DV. Keep the cap in the lighter part of the flame, above the bright blue. You can lift the tip higher from the flame to slow it down some--you want to heat it slowly to heat soak the tip sufficiently. Go slowly with a small flame just to the clicks and you should have no problem getting clouds. Play with the parameters a bit to find a balance between flavor preservation and vapor production. The SS M tips are pretty forgiving so you should have no problem. Enjoy!

 

[Flotsam]

I will look to get them eventually. Thank you & I so appreciate all the advice.

It hasn't even been a year since I even tried DHVaping. & in those early days the results were not as good w my PAX. It wasn't until i got on here that i learned not only how to improve the PAX but understand the process, examine the AVB and determine how good that process is working. But most of all learn about a bunch of vaporizers that are truly amazing and so unique and a lot of interesting features. I'm a bit of a Techie so i became fascinated with these. But I have to be really carefully as i have frequently got a bit obsessive with my hobbies and I recognize VAS could be an issue for me. But after Terpcicle I thought Dynavap was the appropriate next step.

 

[im not a robot]

VAS could be an issue

could be
but congrats! i think a dynavap is always great to have in any collection. whenever i go out in nature for multiple days, this is the one i will take, knowing it wont break, is fullproof, and can be heated by my campfire if need be. have fun

 

[Flotsam]

could be
but congrats! i think a dynavap is always great to have in any collection. whenever i go out in nature for multiple days, this is the one i will take, knowing it wont break, is fullproof, and can be heated by my campfire if need be. have fun

Yes it could but i promise to control myself. I already have been looking at what options might be fun. Maybe something like this, but this will be traveling a bit so maybe glass not the best option. But i like it!

may be difficult to find a case for this?

 

[coolbreeze]

Good Vibes Boro occasionally has DV stems. He's got a DV j-hook currently:

Dynavap Stems

goodvibesboro.com

High Artisan makes gorgeous ones too:

Dynavap accessories

Stems, mouthpieces, and more for the dynavap

highartisan.com

I don't think any of those would fit a stash, but the Hula Stem & DV BB3 should:

The BB3

The BB3 is a travel-friendly dry herb vaporizer with a glass stem and 3 blue beads inside. This compact dry herb vape is perfect for all dry herbs.

www.dynavap.com

Hula Stem V2 For DynaVap

The Hula Stem V2 works with a Stainless or Titanium DynaVap Tip to add cooling and the purity of glass to your DynaVap experience. Simply place any DynaVap Tip onto the Hula Stem and heat like normal. The Stem will help to cool down your vapour with its indentations that add surface area to the...

www.sneakypetestore.com

 

[maremaresing]

OK so i pulled the trigger on the M7. Not sure when it comes but i purchased direct from Dynavap. I still want a Lobo, but i can wait till 420 sale for that.

I guess there are others they may want to argue the point but i feel like it initially defines the genre of externally heated vape. This will be a new experience for me as I own so few devices.

Not getting any other accessories at the moment besides the $10 pocket torch & screens. I guess at some point a wooden body would be useful, but what else do you think i should consider?

Solid choice! I also have an M7 in the mail to me currently, and I'm excited to see how they've improved/changed the design since my older models. I agree with others that at least one dynavap is a must for any vaper's lineup, no matter what else you pick up in the future.

 

[Flotsam]

Solid choice! I also have an M7 in the mail to me currently, and I'm excited to see how they've improved/changed the design since my older models. I agree with others that at least one dynavap is a must for any vaper's lineup, no matter what else you pick up in the future.

so i just got a small glass recycler as a starter.

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Inexpensive but big enough that i felt it was manageable, yet still handle a small vape on it. Some really tiny recyclers just seem so useless . I am anxious to mate this with the M7. Just

So if you didn't mind I wanted to ask what kind of differences you were you expecting in the current years model of the M7 between what you currently have?

Is it more of a collecting thing I am sensing here? I see posts from people with huge collections! I can relate, I have other hobbies that I can be obsessive with so i fear VAS with me to an extent.

 

[maremaresing]

You'd be surprised the size of glass that a dynavap can milk up when heated correctly. That's a pretty piece and I honestly recommend you try hitting it dry with the dyna.

On what I'm expecting from the M7; I'm hoping it hits as hard and well as my beloved 2018 SS M. The 2021-ish SS version, as well as the 2019 Ti, were sub par for me. Basically I wanted another SS M, and like the mass I see below the bowl on the M7 tip for heat retention and complete extraction. Otherwise, I'm going into it blind and am curious to see what the M7 has to offer.

As an upcoming accessory maker, I am interested to get calipers on all of the components and note any sizing or design differences between 2018 and now to ensure compatibility.