First vape

[Stoned Llama]

Hey I am thinking of buying my first vape, but I have never tried one, they aren't popular at all in my country. I would like it to be the best option or close to it for smoking hash. Portable or not I don't care.

Seems like people here recommend the dynacap M, but is it realy better than stationary ones for hash?
If it is what do I need to buy in addition to it besides the lighter? Some hemp rope thingy? Anything else?

 

[seaofgreens]

Heyo,

Well, you know what some folks say... "If you want to learn how to swim, you gotta jump in the pool."

The M a good place to start, and should work with whatever you want to throw into it. Just the vape and a lighter is all you really need. Any will do but the best is a torch type lighter. In your case you probably want to use degummed hemp fiber to wrap around your hash balls, so that it will sop up into the fibers as you heat, instead of passing straight into the condenser tube of the "M." You can also cut up stainless steel mesh filters to fit the M chamber as well, if you prefer without hemp.

As far as what is a "better" vape? Well, that is subjective. This is where your preference comes in, but the "M" is a good choice in that it can throttle a little vapor out if that is your style, or kick you in the teeth, just depends how low on the cap you heat. (You'll understand this once you are using it for a bit.) So it is a bit of an every-person's vape... but it takes a bit of practice to figure out.

One issue I ran into with this particular style of vaporizer is that the straight tube of vapor is pretty close to the heat, and the hot vapor directly hitting the back of my throat was particularly irritating. I had to stop using it regularly after a while, which is a bummer, as I really like my M. So it has become relegated to my vacation and hiking vape, as it is my most inexpensive and tiniest option I own, works great, and I'm not too worried if it gets lost/stolen/confiscated. If you have the extra cash though, I would spring for a vong body so that you can pop it onto a rig or a j-hook more efficiently. (I don't personally like the rubber "fat" MP they sell as a poor-mans waterpiece adapter.)

Either way... Hope this helps a bit, and above all... Welcome to Fuck Combustion man.

 

[Stoned Llama]

Thanks for the response. Seems like a great community you guys have here. Only read a couple of threads and everyone seems extra nice. Not to start a 420 circlejerk, but maybe it is the vape community that is great. There are some bad hombres that smoke pot out there, but to they vape? I don't know.....

To be honest I don't think I will like to vape very much well at least compared to a joint, but will probably do it all the time if I like the high because tobacco sucks. I need to try it as it seems like it would be dumb not to.

So getting to the point to smoke hash you think the hemp stuff is better or is it irrelevant?

Well I just want one that is regarded by most of the community as one of the better for hash. Seems like some vaporizers are shit, some aren't suited for hash, so seems like there aren't many options. Is the omni much better than the M? I don't need huge amounts of vapor, I just want good flavour.
I think the firefly seems to expensive for a first buy, is any other options I should look at that are under 200?
From the little I have read I seem pretty inclined to buy the M. If I like it I may buy other vapes in the future, if I don't probably not. So if there is something a bit more expensive than the M that has a better smoke(ups) I will consider it, but if it is just electronic, adaptabilty to bongs or whatever extra doesn't make much sense to me.
I am just a little baffled that it seems like portable vapes are the best ones for hash from what I have read. Is it really that way?

You say it is harsh compared to other vapes, but is it to smoking joints? I don't think I will mind much, but if I do what would it cost to upgrade to something that would solve that if it is even an option? The site just has so much stuff it is a little overwhelming and i don't understand the compatibility stuff at all. I smoke joints with tobacco and hash so would this even bother ne?
Also I will be mostly using it at home. If i put it in the freezer wouldn't that make the vapor smoother?
And does the vong one have the same harshness in the vapor? I don't think I will buy it to hook up to a bong as I don't even have a bong, but if it is better in this regard I might buy it.

Also has anyone figured out a way to heat the cap in public whitout making it seem like you are doing some hard shit? I live in a small town and I don't want to be seen in public heating that shit up.

Really grateful for the response. Toke on...

 

[Squiby]

people here recommend the dynacap M, but is it realy better than stationary ones for hash?
If it is what do I need to buy in addition to it besides the lighter? Some hemp rope thingy? Anything else?

The Vapcap is fantastic for dry herb, hash or concentrates. There is very little maintenance but you can get stocked up on replaceable items like orings and screens and you'll be set for years. I use degummed hemp fiber to make filters to catch any tiny particulates from entering the airpath. This creates a smooth non irritating vapor.

http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/dynavap-vapcap.18853/page-460#post-1091430

http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/dynavap-vapcap.18853/page-295#post-1034430

So getting to the point to smoke hash you think the hemp stuff is better or is it irrelevant?

You don't need to add anything to vape hash in the Vapcap. For soft Afghan hash just flatten a bit into a thin pancake and pop it into the chamber. If you have hard Moroccan hash just shave a thin slice with a razor. Don't crumble hash into the chamber unless you are using a filter.

Is the omni much better than the M?

Not better, different. The M is made from stainless steel and it heats slower and cools slower and is great for using outdoors. The Omni is all titanium and heats and cools quicker and is more nimble. It has a air adjusting set it and forget it feature.

You say it is harsh compared to other vapes, but is it to smoking joints? I don't think I will mind much, but if I do what would it cost to upgrade to something that would solve that if it is even an option?

I have very sensitive lungs and am a chronic asthmatic. The Vapcap gives me the smoothest non harsh or irritating vapor than any vape I've tried. The secret is to mouthpull the vapor by bringing the vapor into you mouth while fingering the air intake hole, similar to sucking liquid into your mouth through a straw, then inhaling fresh air along with the vapor in your mouth.

Pulling vapor directly into your lungs can be irritating and I don't recommend this toking technique.

The site just has so much stuff it is a little overwhelming and i don't understand the compatibility stuff at all. I smoke joints with tobacco and hash so would this even bother ne?

The beauty of the Vapcap is that it is modular so the various components are interchangeable to create a custom vape that is uniquely yours. Basically just chose the model that's appeals to you and fits your budget.

And does the vong one have the same harshness in the vapor?

The midsections are interchangeable. They are the outfit or clothes of the Vapcap and do not effect performance. Choose the midsection you like. If you want to use it with a water tool, get a Vapcap with a VonG midsection. The VonGs pair with a 14mm water tool joint. The Vapcap is not harsh, just heat to the click, respect the click, mouthful your vapor and add a degummed hemp fiber filter and you will experience the smoothest vapor ever. It's a fantastic vaporizer.

Join us on the thread.

http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/dynavap-vapcap.18853/page-295#post-1034430

 

[seaofgreens]

Just so you know, I was referring to the mouthpull technique, and still being irritating to me personally. As you pull the vapor in with your mouth, it hits the back of your mouth/top of your throat, and over time I just found it made me feel constricted/hard of breathing there. This feeling only disappeared as I stuck to the vaporizers that didn't have a direct tube straight to the source of heat. And I'm a fellah that enjoys a giant vape-bong rip that would choke out many folks... do it often with my Sv3, Flowerpot, Lotus, the GH through a rig/jhook and my Halo's for concentrates.... and never get that same feeling. Also have asthma, and am mildly to moderately allergic to most of the world.

Point being... it isn't that I hit the Vapcap wrong... it just isn't smooth for me. I do appreciate that it is the smoothest/gentlest in your arsenal, but just don't feel like that is universal.

 

[Flower of empathy]

I'd also say a vc M is a good start into vaping with hash (i suspect charras by your nick ) - btw i prefer normal 15mm screens shaped into a basket or spiral over hemp fiber esp for hash

I don't need huge amounts of vapor, I just want good flavour.

Imo cleanest flavour with hash is the vaponic (or cheaper DIY) takes some practice (with time it's almost like saying a mantra), but the M is a good training for that
Other flame powered vapes like the Sticky Bricks or Vapman also work nice...

Seems like some vaporizers are shit, some aren't suited for hash, so seems like there aren't many options.

well, let's say it this way every vape will work to extract at least most of the flavour (~200C is enough for that) but most battery powered only go to 210C and won't extract as much as u could with higher temps that are easier to reach with butane powered vapes (but the taste gets usually bad at higher temps anyways).
Cleaning is another aspect, ime esp if it's only hash - most convenient in the long run are vapes with capsules like HR Fury 2 or Mighty and do more than ok with hash imo

 

[invertedisdead]

I know people think rolling papers are all pure or something but to me they totally adulterate the flavor of the material inside, even RAW hemp papers have a "taste." IMO you'll never be able to taste hash in a joint like you would vaporizing it. I think it's gonna be a revelation for you.

 

[Stoned Llama]

Thanks for all the responses. Gonna buy a vapcap M an then I am gonna leave some feedback here or on the dynacap topic.

I know people think rolling papers are all pure or something but to me they totally adulterate the flavor of the material inside, even RAW hemp papers have a "taste." IMO you'll never be able to taste hash in a joint like you would vaporizing it. I think it's gonna be a revelation for you.

I don't think so, buts lets see. I am pretty sure I am still gonna prefer smoking joints to vaping in terms of pleasure, but would really love to be converted. Hopefully it arrives soon.--

 

[duff]

I am still gonna prefer smoking joints to vaping

I thought that way too once!

 

[wkndwarrior]

Thanks for all the responses. Gonna buy a vapcap M an then I am gonna leave some feedback here or on the dynacap topic.

You are making the right choice - the M is probably the best all around pick for price/performance. No technology to maintain if you only use it on occasion (sort of that buy it once for life type of purchase). And if you really love it you have an upgrade path.

 

[arb]

I thought that way too once!

Me too............lolz.

 

[little maggie]

If you ever want to try a vape that doesn't use butane I'd recommend the Fury 2. There's a thread on it and I think most users are very happy with it. Not too expensive, fairly stealthy, easy to use.

 

[Stoned Llama]

Hey guys finally got around to buying the M and I love it! I still like the taste of smoke better, but I actually like the vapor too! Only smoked one joint since it arrived Monday and my lungs are feeling great and it is so much more eficient!

So I want to invest more and need a few more tips:

Is there anyway I can use this in public whitout looking like a crackhead? Or is there something that is as good with weed and hash as this that doesn't require a flame? If it wastes a bit more its fine, but the taste needs to be as good...

Also what is the best vapes I can buy to vape weed and hash at home, so portable or not?

And finally should I get any upgrades to this from Dynavap? I'm not that interest in making using bongs so I don't think of buying the Vong, but is the Omni worth it? Or are there any other parts that are worth it?



Really gratefull u guys pushed me in this direction! Didn't think it would be as good as it is. Thanks for the help.

 

[Vaporware]

If you’re happy with the M the Omni or something with a spinning mouthpiece are nice but not necessary.

The main things the spinning mouthpiece would do are add a little length and help you hold it still while spinning it over a flame.

The main things the Omni would do are decrease the weight (which might matter if you like to just hold it with your mouth) and let you set the airflow you like and not have to bother with the carb hole if you don’t want to.

I’ve only got ahold of real formable hash in the last couple of weeks so I’ve only tried it in a VapCap, but hopefully this will help you find other options:

Hash seems to take a little extra heat for most people, so you can probably skip anything that has a temperature control and doesn’t allow it to go up very high.

Anything that allows high temperatures should work, including any unregulated convection vaporizer like the Nomad, Milaana, MVT, Li’l Bud, etc. or a 510 attachment like the Splinter, Imp, iHeat, Glow, etc. The Li’l Bud Elite has the chip built in instead of attaching to a box mod, but it should work similarly.

Most good desktops should work too.
Maybe I’ll try a little hash in the FlowerPot, but the bowl’s so big I think it might be better if I got ahold of a little basket screen to put down in the bowl’s stem to help concentrate the heat on the material without covering the whole big screen with hash.

I know that’s a lot of options, but I think the better question might be “Which vaporizers have you tried that we’re *NOT* good with hash?” I have so little personal experience with it though that a VapCap would have been my recommendation for a starting point too, and I’m not sure what exactly to steer you toward next. I’m sure when my Nomad comes in I’ll be trying it with hash though, and I bet it will be great too.

Edit: I should also mention that the titanium tips for VapCaps also heat up and cool down faster, and some people say they can taste the stainless steel in the M and stainless tips and that they don’t taste the titanium so much.

 

[Monk Debate]

I’d recommend getting a titanium mouthpiece for your M. Otherwise you don’t need to get an Omni if you would prefer to get entirely other vaporizing units for other applications.

 

[little maggie]

I don't think there's anything essential you need. But there are a couple of people here who make great mps for the vapcap. I've gotten a couple that are wood and long and they really cool down the vapor.

 

[Stoned Llama]

Thanks for the help guys. I need some more tips...

I live near the beach and usually go cycling and vape there. It's pretty windy, like really windy so I need something really powerfull that can still vape the hash there. Would the splinter Z be a good option?

Seems like it has great reviews and people really like its flavour. I just don't like it seeming a bit to chunky to carry in your pockets and doesn't seem discreet at all with the glass stem, plus it's breakable.

What would compete with the Z, and fit more easily in a pocket? If something that attaches to a 510 is my best bet to get high temps and vape hash I would buy it now and then look to either buy a stationary or a more discreet portable one later.

I'm itching to pull the trigger on the Z, just because of the flavour reviews. Should I just do it? What mod/acessories should I get?

Sorry for so many questions. If someone has the patience to answer I would be really gratefull.

Peace

 

[Stoned Llama]

Hey just one more thing. Do vapes usually work well when they are not fully packed? I wouldn't want to make huge bowls when riding the bike. Would that be a problem?

 

[Monk Debate]

Thanks for the help guys. I need some more tips...

I live near the beach and usually go cycling and vape there. It's pretty windy, like really windy so I need something really powerfull that can still vape the hash there. Would the splinter Z be a good option?

Seems like it has great reviews and people really like its flavour. I just don't like it seeming a bit to chunky to carry in your pockets and doesn't seem discreet at all with the glass stem, plus it's breakable.

What would compete with the Z, and fit more easily in a pocket? If something that attaches to a 510 is my best bet to get high temps and vape hash I would buy it now and then look to either buy a stationary or a more discreet portable one later.

I'm itching to pull the trigger on the Z, just because of the flavour reviews. Should I just do it? What mod/acessories should I get?

Sorry for so many questions. If someone has the patience to answer I would be really gratefull.

Peace

You’re looking for a Mistvape Impcognito, or a Dreamwood Glow 14mm. Both are full on demand convection and both are more discreet than a Splinter Z, plus they offer wood stems for durability. With the Impcognito you can get dosing capsules as well for portable use.

 

[Vaporware]

The Milaana, MVT, Li’l Bud and Nomad (if you could wait for it) are all similarly good small options with the power to get the job done, but rather than being 510 attachments they’re simple unregulated convection vaporizers.

No tower of part or box mod if you’re not into the complexities of that stuff, but if you hold the button too long you can go from vaporization to combustion.

If you like mod based options though, like @Monk Debate said the Impcognito (the Imp in a size that fits in side by side mods) is interesting, and I’m sure the Glow which I haven’t looked at much is too, plus the Li’l Bud Elite and Tubo which are both based on mods or some of the same hardware in wooden enclosures.

I’m guessing some others like the Ghost MV-1 could get the job done too, but I haven’t seen discussion about using many of the mass produced temperature controlled devices with hash so I couldn’t tell you which ones.

I would say a VapCap would be a good option, and it probably would with an induction heater, but I think it would usually be too windy to use it with a torch.