Extreme Throat Irritation

[z9]

Not to get too off-topic, but it's made from the nectar that they collect and is for their children, queen and to build warmth for the winters. And that's good of you! Never heard of black ant extract however
I think some agave or coconut nectar would do the trick, i'll try it next sesh!

While very helpful, these suggestions will only mask the problem. You have confirmed that it is in fact the weed. Take it from someone who has gotten bud like this multiple times, you need to water cure the bud or concentrate it if you want to consume it via inhalation without the discomfort.

BTW @Deja Vu - I'm loving IPT, thank you so much for the invite!

 

[Egzoset]

Salutations Deja Vu,

Anyone else get extreme throat irritation?

Well i try to correct whatever needs revision before too much damage has occured, ideally.

Otherwise a few days would be required to recover, which is one way to ruin the session.

I think there is something wrong with...

Yesterday there was something wrong with my brand-new butane lighters: i acquired 2 identical units (so i can swap and avoid overheating them by doing so), both were contaminated with low-grade butane gas and despite all my efforts to purge the tanks (a couple dozen times i think!) it still left me some stiffness behind the ears. The odor alone was really terrible, i missed and had to retry often because this rendered me hesitant afterwards...

Even nice clouds were lost, all this because my prefered lighter has finally failed. They all do ultimately anyway!

E.G. this affects that... Etc.

...always feel the vapour hitting the back of my throat, almost as if it is tickling it and irritating...

A cold dry cannabic bag does that to me, it's mostly a contact reaction in my own case as when i rinse my throat with water it seems to wash away the source of irritation.

So it's important to stop excessive couphing before it hurts, of course.

...then my throat doesn't feel quite the same...

The lasting discomfort resulting from such irritation could be delayed if not prevented using water vapor, using a cold fog nebulizer or preferably a boiler making bubbles under the cannabic stream, in order to humidify it only. Though that's so efficient at providing relief it may be likely to invite abuse, which is why i mentioned delaying damage...

...tried water filtration, but I have not experimented much with lower vaporizing temperatures.

Filtration removes particles and heat, hot water & ice would promote moisturisation i think. The later allows me to attenuate reactions greatly, if not radically; if a cold dry bag still makes one cough that's not calling for particle/heat extraction IMO.

...the sweet spot...

Inlet self-moisturization served me fine once i started to manage with similar sensitivity issues. Good luck finding your own solution!

 

[Radio]

While very helpful, these suggestions will only mask the problem. You have confirmed that it is in fact the weed. Take it from someone who has gotten bud like this multiple times, you need to water cure the bud or concentrate it if you want to consume it via inhalation without the discomfort.

BTW @Deja Vu - I'm loving IPT, thank you so much for the invite!

My pleasure, it's a great site! I have 3 more invites if you have any friends that want to join

 

[Twiddlebug]

I was having a rough time with a sore throat as well. Even my uvula was selling up. I was using the EQ at the time and my sessions were getting longer because my tolerance was getting too high. After taking a break for two weeks and then using my new Plenty vaporizer, the problem got better and has not come back. Not exactly sure what the problem was but I'm now vaping approximately .06 g a session so it's quick and painless now.

 

[sektr]

I have sensitive lungs due to asthma, so even dry vapor can start to irritate my lungs/throat (funny though, after long enough smoking I did enough damage that they didn't get bothered at all til I was off combustion for 2+ months).

Sounds like you need some water filtration to me.

 

[Radio]

I used hot water in the vapecycler tonight, and made a mint/lemon tea which lasted me the whole session. I vaped double what I normally would with no irritation whatsoever. Doing well overall

 

[LongIslandmom]

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   I need some help. I have polyps on my throat. I bought the evo for just that purpose and thru July I was only using it on the weekends. In may I had an ent checkup and they were small so my dr was ok with my consumption. I just went back on Monday and they have gotten worse so I have to have them removed. Obviously I am on a total t--break and am having the surgery in the beginning of Oct.
   
   I know I have to be good till the end of Oct but I am so afraid I will have to stop completely. I only do it on the weekends and I don't want to give it up. I thought vaporizing was suppose to help this. I am doing it thru water filtration. Has anyone ever had this experience this. It's my only form of relaxation. I don't drink, don't do anything else. I don't think this is cancer and I am confident that I will get my voice back. I'm just so depressed that I finally started vaping and now it's all going to be taken away. I don't live in a legal state but I have been saving my AVB so I guess I could try making the oil but I don't really know how to make edibles.
   
   
   Is there anyone out there who can help me. I know my tolerance will go down.
   
   Any thoughts.
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[Caligula]

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   I need some help. I have polyps on my throat. I bought the evo for just that purpose and thru July I was only using it on the weekends. In may I had an ent checkup and they were small so my dr was ok with my consumption. I just went back on Monday and they have gotten worse so I have to have them removed. Obviously I am on a total t--break and am having the surgery in the beginning of Oct.
   
   I know I have to be good till the end of Oct but I am so afraid I will have to stop completely. I only do it on the weekends and I don't want to give it up. I thought vaporizing was suppose to help this. I am doing it thru water filtration. Has anyone ever had this experience this. It's my only form of relaxation. I don't drink, don't do anything else. I don't think this is cancer and I am confident that I will get my voice back. I'm just so depressed that I finally started vaping and now it's all going to be taken away. I don't live in a legal state but I have been saving my AVB so I guess I could try making the oil but I don't really know how to make edibles.
   
   
   Is there anyone out there who can help me. I know my tolerance will go down.
   
   Any thoughts.
   LongIslandmom, A moment agoEditReport
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Lots of good info on cooking (with fresh or abv) here:

http://fuckcombustion.com/forums/cooking-with-cannabis.10/

Also if she's not too busy maybe @momofthegoons can suggest a specific thread? The cooking forum isn't my forte.

 

[LongIslandmom]

it might but I think its worth it , and you could always vape the cotton. I like just a whispy bit of it in my solo stems and in my gongs for my water tools. I find that even bags from my eq can be pretty irritating on my throat, and that's even with some time for it to cool.
so I take the elbow screen out of the gong piece
( if that's what its called ) out of the cyclone bowl and put that into a water tool (bong) and pull it through that. it seems to help.
but for me the cotton is the best thing I tried ,I was almost considering going back to smoking, I tried it all the hot water and cold water all kinds of things but the cotton I notice the most help but even with that if I vape a lot it can still be bothersome... oh ya and I eat a lot of halls lol
good luck I hope you can figure out something that works for you.

edit;I also tried the water curing thing to, I had a couple medical grows. I flushed real good no pesticide or anything no detectable molds either it just seems that vaping can do this even if you have good clean well growen well flushed and cured flowers

I should also mention if you try it with the eq bags watch for back splash getting into it, I have one bong that this happens with.
I solve this problem by pulling the gong out while still inhaling and then just putting my thumb over the gong with the bag so no vapor leeks till the next hit.

How do use the cotton. I'm in real trouble here; I have to have throat surgery for nodules and am on an enforced break. I bought the xhale because I thought it would be the smoothest on my throat. I always use it with a bong or wt. I don't live in a state where even MMJ is legal and I just don't know about making my own edibles. I'm ok with taking a break but I need super smooth when I go back. Anyone with ideas

 

[LongIslandmom]

P

This is what I will try next.
and to all of the comments about drinking tea/mint; I had a sesh with a very hot tea made of lemons and oranges and it helped a little bit, but adding mint and other throat-soothers will be next!

Haven't tried this yet. It doesn't reduce any of the actives?

what is the deal with using the cotton

Well any kind of honey like substance will do . Black mollases syrup... any other thick syrup .. Baking powder kills fungus ,alkalizes throat and sore means acidic .. U can sprinkle it on a wet candy drop (mint candy will be fine). There is a pharma product called Tantum Verde .. but i imagine it is more horrid than honey for vegans cause they actually hate e-numbers more ..
I am not a true vegan.. but outside chocolate and honey,PROPOLIS and black ant extract .. i am all vegan ..
I am no expert but isn't honey collected from flowers ? or they somehow process it trough their bodies ?

 

[Egzoset]

Salutations LongIslandmom,

How do use the cotton.

I insert mine past a metal screen which absorbs excessive heat (between the sticky/moist areas, e.g. in my modded VG pipe).

...I thought it would be the smoothest on my throat. ... Anyone with ideas

I've already shared mine on the subject, quite a long while ago. Essentially speaking i prefered Fog Conditioning to water-washing. This was not popular enough to give rise to any emulation that i deard of but yet i have to testify that warm moist air can help, at least it felt easier on me but that could result from an allergy i didn't know i was developping. In additional i vaguely recall reading somewhere that dabbing can be potent and because of the potency i presume little is required. Etc.

What is the deal with using the cotton...

It catches large particles, then even some finer ones once sticky. The "bio" cotton seems fine and it's easy to manage with, that also reminds about maintenance - which is Paramount in the case presently addressed IMHO...

 

[LongIslandmom]

Salutations LongIslandmom,



I insert mine past a metal screen which absorbs excessive heat (between the sticky/moist areas, e.g. in my modded VG pipe).



I've already shared mine on the subject, quite a long while ago. Essentially speaking i prefered Fog Conditioning to water-washing. This was not popular enough to give rise to any emulation that i deard of but yet i have to testify that warm moist air can help, at least it felt easier on me but that could result from an allergy i didn't know i was developping. In additional i vaguely recall reading somewhere that dabbing can be potent and because of the potency i presume little is required. Etc.



It catches large particles, then even some finer ones once sticky. The "bio" cotton seems fine and it's easy to manage with, that also reminds about maintenance - which is Paramount in the case presently addressed IMHO...

Thanks for the reply

I am really green at this LOL

Ok so when I am able to resume I will take my evo xhale load the elb and the put the cotton where? I feel really stupid about this. I can only get flowers (not in a legal state). I'm worried that the stuff I have might go bad (that whole mold issue). I am confused about whether to use hot or cold water in my WT. You know I'm just generally confused. In my whole life I never had to jump thru so many hoops just to do my thing on the weekend. I just want to make it super smooth when I return off this break (hopefully Nov - not like I'm counting or anything another lol). I know I am being really thick
here but for an old stoner all this new stuff has the better of me. I only started vaping in Jan and graduated from the pax to the exhale.

My throat depends on it. If these nodules that I am having removed turn out to be cancer I will have a lot more problems then trying to get a smooth hit.
Be patient with me and think of this as a tutorial like vaping for idiots. And thanks

 

[Egzoset]

Hi again LongIslandmom,

...and the put the cotton where?

I'm afraid you'll have to seek advice from other members on that particular item as i haven't got a look at it for a long time, because of the lack for balloon support as i seem to recall.

I feel really stupid about this.

My appologies, that's certainly not something i'd want to imply!

...flowers... ...the stuff I have might go bad (that whole mold issue).

Hummm...

Please as you read this try to keep in mind that i'm about to theorize now...

If i were determined to use cannabis flowers contaminated with mold i'd at least try a QWET extract using 94 % alcohol, since it should disinfect/sterilize, etc., whatever. Don't quote me on it. Others are invited to comment once again!

...confused about whether to use hot or cold water in my WT. You know I'm just generally confused.

Actually i think this is common place and might as well remain true forever, because there's an element of preference i suppose. Yet, warm water on ice cubes should generate some moisture, possibly in sufficient amount. Though i'd wait for more input there again...

...just want to make it super smooth...

Just what prompted me to experiment with a FogBong as i never has love for water toys glass art.

...for an old stoner all this new stuff has the better of me.

Well one could say i once fell for it too - it sounds a bit like déjà vu. My hope is that you get luckier...

Be patient with me and think of this as a tutorial like vaping for idiots.

Honestly i have my own rasons to lurk around, but the attitude you've just describe is no option, at least to me. If that can help the maybe only idiots would refuse to climb their personal learning curve, because that's where the satisfaction - if not the fun - happens to reside!

 

[LongIslandmom]

Hi again LongIslandmom,



I'm afraid you'll have to seek advice from other members on that particular item as i haven't got a look at it for a long time, because of the lack for balloon support as i seem to recall.





My appologies, that's certainly not something i'd want to imply!



Hummm...

Please as you read this try to keep in mind that i'm about to theorize now...

If i were determined to use cannabis flowers contaminated with mold i'd at least try a QWET extract using 94 % alcohol, since it should disinfect/sterilize, etc., whatever. Don't quote me on it. Others are invited to comment once again!



Actually i think this is common place and might as well remain true forever, because there's an element of preference i suppose. Yet, warm water on ice cubes should generate some moisture, possibly in sufficient amount. Though i'd wait for more input there again...



Just what prompted me to experiment with a FogBong as i never has love for water toys glass art.



Well one could say i once fell for it too - it sounds a bit like déjà vu. My hope is that you get luckier...



Honestly i have my own rasons to lurk around, but the attitude you've just describe is no option, at least to me. If that can help the maybe only idiots would refuse to climb their personal learning curve, because that's where the satisfaction - if not the fun - happens to reside!

That was so nice egzoset
And most patient. All things are all learning curve and I have 3 kids so I know what I'm talking about. One is at the jet game right now and if you are a jet/mets fan like my husband and son or a saints fan like me (hometown is New Orleans) you have to have boat loads of calming patience and understanding. That's why I miss my MJ so much; it's my relaxation

So I am really desperate to get the all clear and just have fun watching bill maher on a Friday night again. I realize that even though it's much healthier I have to be really careful with the vaporizers. My throat dr isn't too happy with me right now. That's why I wish it were legal everywhere so I could get some real edibles. Does the product mold if not used for a few months? I have it in a dark airtight space.

I love this site. Everyone here is so just nice. Check out my post on the community activism spot

Stoners never hit; it's my response to the madness going on in the NFL as everyone seems to forget a lot of violence is fueled by alcohol
I just a smooth hit; I don't think that's a lot to ask

 

[CarolKing]

You could get a CVault for your cannabis, that keeps its fresh with the refresher packets you use in the lid. I am a big fan of Bill Maher too. My politics lean that way. I love to hear his good word about cannabis. I read he uses the Volcano vaporizer.

You don't know that it's the cannabis that made the polyps grow? Doctors are so negative about cannabis anyway. I use cotton a lot when vaping. It can help with harshness or in place of a screen. I use it to wrap wax when vaping. I'm not familiar with the vaporizer you're using so I wouldn't be able to help. FC has a thread on vaping with cotton. It's under vapor related equipment.

I wish you good health, happiness and peace of mind. I'm sending positive vibes your way.

 

[Egzoset]

Hi there LongIslandmom,

One is at the jet game right now and if you are a jet/mets fan like my husband and son or a saints fan like me (hometown is New Orleans)...

Now that you mention it... I'd recognize a hockey puck if i were shown one as i've seen a few in the good old days, when they played on national cannuck TV instead of some speciality channel.

...I miss my MJ so much; it's my relaxation...

Yes, i've made it a special moment myself, in the veranda, under a couple sunrays when convenient!

The visual exhales add satisfaction somehow, perhaps because the perceptive feed-back helps with manipulations, etc. Once in a while i like to think in the futur people will make similar rituals evolve up to a point it can be compared to tea for a British, or asian, etc. But my pipe is self-moisturized and your electric vaporizer is not, hence a probable need for water accessories more than ever - at least as fas as you're concerned i would think...

So I am really desperate to get the all clear and just have fun...

I can imagine how that feels and try to share the moment, though i'd want to see more input from all horizons. It's a good idea to think of edibles, i've had cannabic pizza a few minutes ago but this was possible only after i've accumulated pre-vaped material in a jar for months, slow but steady: i don't extract until it's black. Yet i don't expect you'd get much of this from your "driver" (if used to push it)...

Does the product mold if not used for a few months? I have it in a dark airtight space.

There are ways to absorb humidity from green stuff, for example once my pre-vaped jar is 2/3 full i can place a few large buds on top. It's a dry environment down under by definition, humidity gets sucked in only a few days.

Check out my post on the community activism spot...

I will! That's part of my routine when i lurk around searching for the news!... Well, cannabic news that is!

Stoners never hit; it's my response to the madness going on in the NFL as everyone seems to forget a lot of violence is fueled by alcohol...

M'yeah, isn't it most aflicting how sport leagues have become agressive in New FoundLand?!! Hockey died with Rock & Roll it seems! I miss both a lot.



Do you or a member of the family appreciate Rammstein by the way?

I just a smooth hit; I don't think that's a lot to ask

That would depend i figure, you may be facing a compound of factors. Allergies ain't much fun to alleviate, but it may be possible to manage via a change of ritual... Have you taken a look at the venerable and amazing Vapor Lung??

This would allow you to thermalize the cannabic clouds to room temperature, essentially. With the temperature variable removed from your equation you'd then pass that pre-conditioned stream through a FogBong setup as those i've experimented with. It's not that difficult at all, and it should be reasonably safe if one takes care to keep it clean:

FC: How to Keep Bong Water Hot..... (2013-Nov-10)​

It gave me plenty of alternative permutations to choose from, my favourite was without my noble molecules going through a rince cycle... Honestly i wish you could have a quick try, but i suspect your husband would manifest himself before we're finished!

Good day, have fun!!

 

[ataxian]

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   I need some help. I have polyps on my throat. I bought the evo for just that purpose and thru July I was only using it on the weekends. In may I had an ent checkup and they were small so my dr was ok with my consumption. I just went back on Monday and they have gotten worse so I have to have them removed. Obviously I am on a total t--break and am having the surgery in the beginning of Oct.
   
   I know I have to be good till the end of Oct but I am so afraid I will have to stop completely. I only do it on the weekends and I don't want to give it up. I thought vaporizing was suppose to help this. I am doing it thru water filtration. Has anyone ever had this experience this. It's my only form of relaxation. I don't drink, don't do anything else. I don't think this is cancer and I am confident that I will get my voice back. I'm just so depressed that I finally started vaping and now it's all going to be taken away. I don't live in a legal state but I have been saving my AVB so I guess I could try making the oil but I don't really know how to make edibles.
   
   
   Is there anyone out there who can help me. I know my tolerance will go down.
   
   Any thoughts.
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I'm extreme I know so take what I say with a grain of salt or just take action?

1. @Caligula mentioned edibles?
I can' t handle the high very well!
@Vitolo is a master baker in this area and knows a lot about it!

I found for me medically lower temperatures work best for me.
we all have different needs.
some like higher temperatures for their experience medical or recreational
Level 4 on my SOLO is the highest I can go!
I claim flavor is destroyed!
It's only my indicator!
There are more power vaporizers I like and the flavor is better however the effect is not for me medically.

You have a sore throat so lower temperatures may help?
I'm not a doctor just a patient trying to figure it all out myself?
I can't smoke joints because of harshness, the high freaks me out and the flavor is horrible!

If someone finds what works for them don't expect it to work for you!
We are all different and have different needs.

1. Move to a friendly state.
2. 2016 things might change?
@Egzoset I Love You Glass gizmo!
Link?

 

[Egzoset]

Salutations Ataxian,

I found for me medically lower temperatures work best for me.

Actually i'd argue there are 2 temperatures we can think of easily, if we can get ourselves sufficiently focussed that is (...):

1) Extraction temperature - inside the cannabic bowl
2) Delivery temperature at the tip of a mouthpiece​

Personally i seem to suffer much less discomfort using high extraction temperature combined with room-temperature delivery (or maybe a tad warmer because of the fog getting hotter after a while).



Which is true of the HA electric vaporizer i evaluated but hardly applies to my modded VaporGenie pipe at all, since it is self-humidifying and now the "PinHole" appears to have brought such auto-conditioning closer to portable perfection! E.G. i no longer feel urged to look elsewhere...

Level 4 on my SOLO is the highest I can go!
I claim flavor is destroyed!

Not to mention that water toys affect flavor in a significant manner too!!

That's one reason why i prefer to avoid glass water accessories, another being that i'd probably break these systematically, piece after piece anyway! Fortunately i happen to have sufficient respect for artisan art and hence behave accordingly by avoiding purchase out of curiosity, once again systematically!

You have a sore throat so lower temperatures may help?
I'm not a doctor just a patient trying to figure it all out myself?

We all share experiences through our own individuality Ataxian! Even Fog Conditioning can lead to serious irritation symptoms in cases of abuse and i have abused, through multiple successive experiment sessions to be exact... Trying to figure which does what, just like yourself i believe!

If someone finds what works for them don't expect it to work for you!
We are all different and have different needs.

I think we're all aware why people come here: to seek testimonies from those who found satisfaction and relief - which is my case despite adversity resulting from cannabic dryness compounded with cannabis-related allergy.

That's what i can share and this is why i've insisted for having additional input, hence thanks for passing by!

@Egzoset I Love You Glass gizmo!

Oh My Goodness, i've waited so desperately for this (see my wrinkles)!!!
I love you too, oh dear Ataxian! Send me phone numbers urgently!

I WANT A MALE FOR CHRISTMASS!!​

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{ Salutations to all Aussies and Aussettes - including everyone else! }

{ Merry Christmass 3 months in advance! }​

And a happy new year!

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M'well i don't use or need or want water toys simply because my pipe + blending solution is so much more convenient. Consequently i'd fail to see the point but that's me and i agree this may not help here. The suggestion should remain one among many, but i've tested it and explored multiple variables (via the same setup to attempt a reduction of unwanted "noise"), with this:

FC: excessive vape coughing (2012-Dec-1)​

The winner scenario(s) always included option #8...

Just don't abuse.

 

[LongIslandmom]

You could get a CVault for your cannabis, that keeps its fresh with the refresher packets you use in the lid. I am a big fan of Bill Maher too. My politics lean that way. I love to hear his good word about cannabis. I read he uses the Volcano vaporizer.

You don't know that it's the cannabis that made the polyps grow? Doctors are so negative about cannabis anyway. I use cotton a lot when vaping. It can help with harshness or in place of a screen. I use it to wrap wax when vaping. I'm not familiar with the vaporizer you're using so I wouldn't be able to help. FC has a thread on vaping with cotton. It's under vapor related equipment.

I wish you good health, happiness and peace of mind. I'm sending positive vibes your way.

Wow I've got a lot of suggestions. As oct passes I will get more serious about what to do

The evo xhale is a desktop that is designed to be used with a water tool - that's why I bought it. I have worked so hard to lead a healthier life since Jan and I'm not backing off and going back to old habits, I watched my mom die of cancer, just pulled my husband thru prostate surgery because he had prostate cancer ( and he still smokes cigarets; I simply can't get him to stop) so I'm pretty concerned that my abuse is leading to throat cancer. I have lost all confidence. But there are so many of us that recognize that even though vaporizers are the most healthy way to go it can still be pretty harsh on my throat.


I will see what the ent says today; I hope it's good. I got too many people that count on me to mess this up.

Thanks to you all; Carol King if we lived anywhere near each other we would be good friends.

Everyone has been so nice. I hope to pay this forward.

 

[LongIslandmom]

it might but I think its worth it , and you could always vape the cotton. I like just a whispy bit of it in my solo stems and in my gongs for my water tools. I find that even bags from my eq can be pretty irritating on my throat, and that's even with some time for it to cool.
so I take the elbow screen out of the gong piece
( if that's what its called ) out of the cyclone bowl and put that into a water tool (bong) and pull it through that. it seems to help.
but for me the cotton is the best thing I tried ,I was almost considering going back to smoking, I tried it all the hot water and cold water all kinds of things but the cotton I notice the most help but even with that if I vape a lot it can still be bothersome... oh ya and I eat a lot of halls lol
good luck I hope you can figure out something that works for you.

edit;I also tried the water curing thing to, I had a couple medical grows. I flushed real good no pesticide or anything no detectable molds either it just seems that vaping can do this even if you have good clean well growen well flushed and cured flowers

I should also mention if you try it with the eq bags watch for back splash getting into it, I have one bong that this happens with.
I solve this problem by pulling the gong out while still inhaling and then just putting my thumb over the gong with the bag so no vapor leeks till the next hit.

How do you use the cotton. I need any help out ther