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Europe's legalization

dude_de

Well-Known Member
Are those just assumptions and wishes or can you maybe provide even a source?
Assumptions, really. I watched this video from DHV where Georg Wurth explains to the Bundestag what is wrong with the current version of the law.


Regarding that 25g and home growing. I always thought this means you are not allowed to carry more then 25g with you?
That was an earlier version. Carry with you: 25g, store at home: "one year's harvest". The latest version is 25g for both. Ridiculous. Someone even had the great idea of only harvesting a max of 25g and leaving the rest on the plant until needed. Yeah, that will work great.

why is nobody happy that you wont loose your job any more or have to face court and even jail for doing cannabis? I`m sick and tired of hiding it
I dunno. I would be happy, definitely. Of course, there is still the unresolved issue about driver's licenses and new blood content limits.
 

Maschine

Active Member
Thank you for this informative video! It indeed seems ridiculous what is proposed in the current policy draft. Even the guy next to him had to grin and nod sometimes and he is the police union leader if I got it right :bang:

That was an earlier version. Carry with you: 25g, store at home: "one year's harvest". The latest version is 25g for both. Ridiculous. Someone even had the great idea of only harvesting a max of 25g and leaving the rest on the plant until needed. Yeah, that will work great
I`m with you now! If this version gets implemented almost everybody will stay illegal and keep using black market supplier.
I dunno. I would be happy, definitely. Of course, there is still the unresolved issue about driver's licenses and new blood content limits.
Rumours been around Germany would like to adapt the NL way of doing saliva test, only testing for active components but with a significant lower cut off. Anyway after watching the video you provided I fear they do something very very stupid... Is there an English translation for "verschlimmbessern" ;)
 
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dude_de

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Thank you for this informative video! It indeed seems ridiculous what is proposed in the current policy draft. Even the guy next to him had to grin and nod sometimes and he is the police union leader if I got it right
Yeah, there is so much bullshit in there that it does not seem like there would be any less work for the police. Anything over 25g at home would be criminal instead of a misdemeanor. It is possible that the 25g is an effort to appease those opposed to the de-criminalization who might freak out if one could simply have several hundred grams at home.

I`m with you now! If this version gets implemented almost everybody will stay illegal and keep using black market supplier.
Unless one only plans to do one Dynvap load on the weekend, the whole home-grow mess as it currently stands is useless.

Rumours been around Germany would like to adapt the NL way of doing saliva test, only testing for active components but with a significant lower cut off.
They absolutely need to get rid of drawing any clever conclusions from THC-COOH content. That is step one. And then, yeah, they'll find a way to f*ck up the new limits for active THC.
 

Terpentino

Quentin
But one thing I never understood regarding the discussion about legalization in Germany. Besides all those ridiculous German style stuff we always do, why is nobody happy that you wont loose your job any more or have to face court and even jail for doing cannabis?
Because as of right now you will get a fine or even jailed, if you carry more than 25 g with you. In some cases, for example homegrowing with more than 25g at home, you will face court. Those charges, in some cases are way higher than the current ones.

What everyone tends to forget, the federal states are allowed to adjust those rules to their needs. So good luck if you live in bavaria. CSC regulation, distancing rules, fines for carrying more than 25g.

But in the end, we will see what the parliament negotiated.
 
Terpentino,

dude_de

Well-Known Member
Ok, here are the latest news:

- Plan to vote on passing the law in the week starting December 11 is confirmed. (Agenda hasnt been published yet, so the grain of salt rule applies)

- amount you can store at home from your home grow has been changed to "50g dried cannabis". Obvious next question "how dry?"

- 25-30g in public and 50-60g at home changed to misdemeanor.

- distance rule for consumption in public reduced from 200m to 100m. (schools, Kindergarten,....)
 

Maschine

Active Member
Because as of right now you will get a fine or even jailed, if you carry more than 25 g with you. In some cases, for example homegrowing with more than 25g at home, you will face court. Those charges, in some cases are way higher than the current ones.
I was not full up to date the time I did that posting if you maybe read the whole discussion then you see I concluded mostly the same.
In addition as long as you a normal stoner and not trafficking big amounts or doing commercial business / growing you will stay under the radar.
But for sure, if we have legit information here the whole home growing part seems rather like a joke for now!
- Plan to vote on passing the law in the week starting December 11 is confirmed. (Agenda hasnt been published yet, so the grain of salt rule applies)
I heard and read it was postponed till next year January because no more time to have a hearing in the Bundesrat / second chamber?!
But this was last week so fingers crossed they get in done in December - would appreciate if this happens this year :D
 
Maschine,

Maschine

Active Member
They finally agreed on everything and do the final reading!
Cannabis will be de-criminalized in Germany for the 1 April. Key Elements still like discussed in this thread before.
Thus sadly it still seems to be unrealistic when it comes to home growing because of the three plants per person with a 50g max capacity per person paragraph but still better then illegal.

Here is a rather new (02.02.24) public broadcast source but it`s written on the Bundestag homepage too and big commercial soil and fertilizer companies already have cannabis products ready to get a slice of the new hot cake....
 

Terpentino

Quentin
German Parliament (Bundestag) will decide this Friday Feb. 23. whether they pass the new Cannabis Law. After that the Bundesrat (federal council) can only delay the process, but it is not stoppable.
Aftet that: The new law is about to enter into force from April, 1st, 2024.

Allowed will be:
25gr in public per adult
50gr at home per adult (50 to 60gr you'll only get a fine)
3 plants homegrowing per adult | no selling or giving away

From June , 1st:
Cannabis Clubs - max. 25g/day, max. 50gr/month | no consumption inside the club| no tourists allowed -》 members need to live at least 6 months in germany (thx to france) | membership limited to one club only |
 

Maschine

Active Member
German Parliament (Bundestag) will decide this Friday Feb. 23. whether they pass the new Cannabis Law. After that the Bundesrat (federal council) can only delay the process, but it is not stoppable.
Aftet that: The new law is about to enter into force from April, 1st, 2024.

Allowed will be:
25gr in public per adult
50gr at home per adult (50 to 60gr you'll only get a fine)
3 plants homegrowing per adult | no selling or giving away

From June , 1st:
Cannabis Clubs - max. 25g/day, max. 50gr/month | no consumption inside the club| no tourists allowed -》 members need to live at least 6 months in germany (thx to france) | membership limited to one club only |
The policy passed the parliament with a safe majority and thus cannabis will be decriminalised in Germany starting April 1st 2024!
What wasn`t already written here is: If you got busted in the last two years with amounts not higher then what will be legal soon you will get amnesty.
 
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