Driving whilst high

howie105

Well-Known Member
It often comes down to who you are and what you can spend. If you have the resources the impact of evidence and in some cases the actual prosecution can be negotiated. The current gaffs and failures as they relate to MJ are just variations of the gaffs and failures that already exist in the system. Best solution I can come up with is not to get caught.
 

His_Highness

In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king
When I first moved from the north to the south I made a couple real stupid traffic stop moves while high.

My favorite....On a two lane road I was doing a good 15 MPH over the limit when a cop car was coming toward me on the opposite side of the road. I didn't slow down and after passing me the cop turned around and pulled me over. The cop said I was speeding and I said confidently 'You were driving toward me when you used your speed gun. It's not legal to shoot me for speed when you're moving'. The cop had seen my northern license plates when he said while laughing 'Welcome to Florida'.
 

Joel W.

Deplorable Basement Dweller
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The new testing kits, pictured, were introduced in March in the wake of legislation to crack down on motorists who get behind the wheel after taking drugs

This is why I voted against legalization here. But i guess this was coming anyways. .
 
Joel W.,

Joel W.

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How is "illegal" better than "legal"? Unless you are a black marketer :bang:

Because I was worried they would have a test that even if I have not smoked as a medical patient that day, I would still test out DUI.

Combine that with the fear they were going to lump recreational and medicinal use in the same taxed group like they are and then add in the fact that any minor caught in possession is now a felony charge and you might understand.

That or I was high at the time, but I am not a marketeer. I buy from the black market now and then.
 

howie105

Well-Known Member
How is "illegal" better than "legal"? Unless you are a black marketer :bang:

With respect, lots of those "black marketers" are just small business people who invested chunks of their lives servicing people they know and at times at considerable risk to their freedom. Now we see the state saying trust us we won't screw anybody over now, even when it comes to something we were suppressing for decades. Leopards don't change their spots, they just keep running down their prey.
 

CarolKing

Singer of songs and a vapor connoisseur
In WA state I wish we just had medical cannabis. The legal cannabis is priced very high with a 47% tax. Medical cannabis is affordable but won't be once our state is through.

Also the police are looking for stoned drivers when they pull folks over. There are all kinds of rules and regulations where we can't even celebrate hemp fest anymore in Seattle like we used to. They wouldn't allow an area to use cannabis in an area protected from the general population even. Cannabis is legal but the only place you can use it is in your homes basically. They don't allow cannabis vaporizing lounges at this point.

I won't be able to buy my product at the cannabis farmers market any longer. I have to just buy from a state store. I won't be able to rely on the Funny Farms organic cannabis from people I know and trust.
 

bella

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As a recreational user, legalisation really doesn't matter that much to me, although i would like to see cannabis decriminalised for recreational use. Whatever happens, my life really won't be affected. However, medical users need a reliable, good quality supply that is legal. We shouldn't be playing political games with people's health.

My state has just announced the legalisation of medical cannabis. It's still quite limited but it is a start. Our state government plans to grow and supply the legal cannabis while still demonising illegal growers. Bloody hypocrites!

It's just a fucking plant. Why do governments have to make things so complicated, grrr :hmm:.

I don't think cannabis testing is accurate for detecting impairment. It is not good enough to just detect thc in a person because it is not a reliable indication of a person's ability to drive safely. It seems to me that the testing technology for cannabis is just not good enough yet.
 
There are pluses and minuses to legalization. Education to the public to encourage more acceptance is needed. We are advocates. But "driving under the influence" will always be illegal.
 

Joel W.

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The idea of sending kids to prison for 5 years and basically destroying their lives with a felony record for 1/2 gram of mj is insane to me.

I really want legal weed and I knew I was probably on the wrong side of history again but it is a bad law and it's just a money grab now for my state. They don't give a fuck about medical folks in real need.

I hope they fix it. But I doubt it.
 
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nosmoking

Just so Dab HAppy!
Found this interesting...
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/13-old-came-brilliant-way-211600109.html

I don't see how this could really work as I would think there are many things that could cause dilation of your pupils other than substances and alcohol. This makes me wonder if there is scientific differences in the way/amount of dilation in our eye under at different levels of impairment under the same substance in lieu of compared to another. Still this test only seems to provide confirmation that someone has used a substance, but does not seem to quantify impairment.

The only good thing I really take from this is that more and more so, there is an understanding that we need to be able to quantify actual real-time impairment for any roadside test to be of any good use.
 

CarolKing

Singer of songs and a vapor connoisseur
In Washington, a person is guilty of driving while under the influence of intoxicating liquor or any drug if the person drives a vehicle within this state while under the influence of or affected by intoxicating liquor or any drug; or while the person is under the combined influence of or affected by intoxicating liquor and any drug. Wash. Rev. Code Ann. § 46.61.502(1)(a)-(b)(West 2010).

Affirmative Defense
The fact that a person charged with a violation of this section is or has been entitled to use a drug under the laws of this state shall not constitute a defense against a charge of violating this section. Id. § 46.61.502(2).

Implied Consent
  • Any person who operates a motor vehicle within Washington is deemed to have given consent to a test or tests of his or her breath or blood for the purpose of determining the alcohol concentration or presence of any drug in his or her breath or blood if arrested for any offense where, at the time of the arrest, the arresting officer has reasonable grounds to believe the person had been driving or was in actual physical control of a motor vehicle while under the influence of intoxicating liquor or any drug. Neither consent nor this section precludes a police officer from obtaining a search warrant for a person's breath or blood. Id. § 46.20.308(1).
  • If the driver refuses to take the test, the driver's license, permit, or privilege to drive will be revoked or denied for at least one year. Id. § 46.20.308(2)(a).
  • If the driver refuses to take the test, the driver's refusal to take the test may be used in a criminal trial. Id. § 46.20.308(2)(b).
  • The person tested may have a physician, or a qualified technician, chemist, registered nurse, or other qualified person of his or her own choosing administer one or more tests in addition to any administered at the direction of a law enforcement officer. The test will be admissible if the person establishes the general acceptability of the testing technique or method. The failure or inability to obtain an additional test by a person shall not preclude the admission of evidence relating to the test or tests taken at the direction of a law enforcement officer. Id. § 46.61.506(6).
  • Accused has a limited window to contact attorney before deciding whether or not to submit to chemical testing. extended delay may significantly affect test results and will be considered a refusal. State v. Staeheli, 685 P.2d 591 (1984).
Sobriety Checkpoints
In Washington, law enforcement officials are not entitled to set up sobriety checkpoints.

  • Washington courts require legislative authority to allow law enforcement to set up checkpoints. No statutory authority exists in Washington. City of Seattle v. Mesiani, 755 P.2d 775 (1988).

State v. Wilhelm, 896 P.2d 105 (1995) -- In order to convict for DUI, evidence must be sufficient to prove that ability to handle automobile was lessened in appreciable degree by consumption of drugs.
In re Gleason, Bkrtcy.W.D.Wash, 139 B.R. 249 (1992) -- It takes more than the mere confession of defendant in order to convict.

Per Se Drugged Driving Laws
Washington has a per se drugged driving law enacted for cannabis.


At this point in WA there is no test that gives an accurate reading of cannabis intoxication. I would imagine a good lawyer could do wonders with a test that doesn't really determine accurate info. The problem is having to pay the money for a lawyer which would cost thousands of dollars.
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virtualpurple

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It's just crazy to me that people like Obama can treat current drug laws and penalties so lightly when without a doubt if he would have ever been caught, charged, and prosecuted for pot and cocaine use that he could have under no circumstances been in the position he's in today.
 

VAPEHUNTER

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I just read an article about "Irvin Rosenfeld", one of the only people in the US who is allowed to smoke pot under federal law.
Here is a quick excerpt from the article,
The interior of Irvin Rosenfeld's Toyota 4Runner reeks of marijuana. A tin stuffed with hundreds of joints lies in the trunk, and a bag full of them is stored in the door pocket.

On a recent weekday, the 62-year-old stockbroker stopped at a red light and took a drag. His exhale filled the cabin with smoke. It was his fourth joint that day. It wasn't yet lunchtime.


"This car has 80,000 miles on it," Rosenfeld announced between puffs, stray ash landing softly on the battered towel he drapes over his pleated brown trousers and red tie. "I haven't gotten into one accident."

I thought this might add a little something to our friendly conversation here.

LINK TO ARTICLE→ http://www.latimes.com/nation/great-reads/la-na-c1-government-pot-smoker-20150312-story.html
 

ZC

Well-Known Member
Yeah that alone is weird, even with his high rate of consumption there's no reason to carry that much with you except to flaunt that "you can" without anyone being able to stop you. But it would also make you a pretty big target for a robbery.
 

CarolKing

Singer of songs and a vapor connoisseur
Not good for cannabis if he leaves his stash in a hot car during the day. He does go through joints really fast. He would be wise to save his health and vaporize. We would welcome him, Irvin come over here to our side. He can drive just fine with that high tolerance.

Thanks for sharing that with us.:lol:
 
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EverythingsHazy

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The 10-page federal protocol Rosenfeld carries with him designates that he may smoke marijuana with impunity. It says he can drive so long as he is not intoxicated.
I wonder what they are considering "intoxicated".

Also...

Rosenfeld goes about his day like any other Floridian — except for the marijuana.

Rosenfeld says the drug relieves pain that is otherwise so intense that he can sit or walk for only short stretches.
Because so few studies have been done on the medical effects of pot, no one can say for certain why it works for him. Nor do researchers understand why he never seems stoned.

He plays in a softball league. He doesn't light up until the other players are enjoying their postgame beer.

He donates his time to an organization that teaches disabled kids how to sail. He doesn't smoke around children and waits until he drives away to puff on a joint.

Are they claiming that he goes from needing cannabis to trade stocks and drive, but he can hold off while playing softball until after the game?


:shrug:
 

EverythingsHazy

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I'm thinking he's just being considerate of his teammates in the dugout.:shrug:


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Maybe, but it would be a bit ridiculous to claim to need it while driving, when you don't need it while playing a sport. It's also not very considerate of everyone else on the road, to smoke while driving, so if you are going to ignore those opinions because it is your necessary medicine, why stop for your dugout mates.
 

nosmoking

Just so Dab HAppy!
It's also not very considerate of everyone else on the road, to smoke while driving, so if you are going to ignore those opinions because it is your necessary medicine, why stop for your dugout mates.

That is your opinion only that it is not very considerate and that is based on the opinion that you do not feel it is safe to drive whilst high.

We also have to remember that as you have mentioned previously, driving is a privilege and not a right. If one decides to be privileged and join others on the road, than they should also keep in mind that the laws allow other drivers (using the same privilege) to drive while under medication as they didn't feel that drivers that think they are perfect should be more privileged than drivers who realize they are not.
 
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