t-dub
Vapor Sloth
Interesting, Oregon is not included. I guess that might explain why I have never seen a DUI checkpoint in this state.
Driving whilst high
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OldNewbie: nice link; thanks. You'v got me browsing this stuff again.
There are some interesting state specific youtube channels on how to not get punked by LEOs as well.
The ACLU has an app some might like. https://www.aclu.org/feature/aclu-apps-record-police-conduct "a copy is uploade directly to a secure ACLU server. Even if a police officer grabs your phone and deletes the footage, your recording is safe with the ACLU."
I would think the best bet to be live streaming an encounter or at lest recording to a cloud.
There are some interesting state specific youtube channels on how to not get punked by LEOs as well.
The ACLU has an app some might like. https://www.aclu.org/feature/aclu-apps-record-police-conduct "a copy is uploade directly to a secure ACLU server. Even if a police officer grabs your phone and deletes the footage, your recording is safe with the ACLU."
I would think the best bet to be live streaming an encounter or at lest recording to a cloud.
tx93budsmane
whoooooo?
Last time I had some dab I hit two before a 200 mile drive... made it ten miles then had to stop and take a nap lol 
WakeAndVape
VapeLife X
Still getting fucked up and pushing the petal...
vapirtoo
Well-Known Member
The main thing with driving high is focus.
When Im really lit and I have to drive, I focus on the operation of the vehicle. Not the heater or radio, no phone calls , , ,nothing. No multitasking.
Really ,if I have to do something extra I pull the fuck off the road to do it.
3000 lbs.or more moving at a good rate needs to be respected.
When Im really lit and I have to drive, I focus on the operation of the vehicle. Not the heater or radio, no phone calls , , ,nothing. No multitasking.
Really ,if I have to do something extra I pull the fuck off the road to do it.
3000 lbs.or more moving at a good rate needs to be respected.
WakeAndVape
VapeLife X
2nd that!
His_Highness
In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king
I was recently talking to someone who said they would not vote for legalizing because "I don't want to be on the road with people who are high".
I asked "What makes you think there will be more people driving high than there is now if legalization passes"?
He responded "There is no test for driving high like there is for drunk driving and once you make MJ legal there will be plenty of people who will use it for the first time and think they can drive high because it's safer than driving drunk. Since there is no test for MJ impairment they won't worry about getting caught".
I asked "What makes you think there will be more people driving high than there is now if legalization passes"?
He responded "There is no test for driving high like there is for drunk driving and once you make MJ legal there will be plenty of people who will use it for the first time and think they can drive high because it's safer than driving drunk. Since there is no test for MJ impairment they won't worry about getting caught".
WakeAndVape
VapeLife X
@His_Highness which may be true...
But newbs also feel the same about a slew of other things.
One thing about MJ is the paranoia factor which is strong in new users.
I remember when I first started to get high the last thing on my mind was driving or leaving the place I was at.
Only snacks and thinking how different my hands felt.
But newbs also feel the same about a slew of other things.
One thing about MJ is the paranoia factor which is strong in new users.
I remember when I first started to get high the last thing on my mind was driving or leaving the place I was at.
Only snacks and thinking how different my hands felt.
I see people still assume cannabis gives you mind melting hallucinations where you just float off the road. I don't want to be on the road with people who have a cell phone in their hand. Now that's dangerous.
His_Highness
In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king
Here's what scares me.....Us baby boomers who are long term users who are reaching the years where our faculties and physical strengths (eye sight, coordination, reaction time) are diminishing, cell phone/technology multi-tasking use increasing and adding stronger versions/types of MJ to the mix.
I consider myself in pretty good mental and physical shape for my age but I can feel the difference in my abilities. I've gotten gun-shy of driving even a little buzzed because I can tell the difference in my driving without being buzzed. I don't even want to consider what a decade more will do to my abilities. Maybe it's because I drive so much less these days.
I've mentioned this before ... my Dad continued to drive well past the point he should have. I don't even want to think what would have happened if MJ was a factor too. If he had come from my age group and had been enjoying herb for 4 or 5 decades I doubt he would have come to terms with his need to adjust. Like my Dad, I expect there will be many users who will not realize or admit that we are on the down hill slope, should consider slowing down and maybe not getting behind the wheel high.
I consider myself in pretty good mental and physical shape for my age but I can feel the difference in my abilities. I've gotten gun-shy of driving even a little buzzed because I can tell the difference in my driving without being buzzed. I don't even want to consider what a decade more will do to my abilities. Maybe it's because I drive so much less these days.
I've mentioned this before ... my Dad continued to drive well past the point he should have. I don't even want to think what would have happened if MJ was a factor too. If he had come from my age group and had been enjoying herb for 4 or 5 decades I doubt he would have come to terms with his need to adjust. Like my Dad, I expect there will be many users who will not realize or admit that we are on the down hill slope, should consider slowing down and maybe not getting behind the wheel high.
savorntrees
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I hate this logic because of course there will be people who break the rules. People drive drunk all the friggin time.
Do people forget about the hundreds of thousands of functioning (or non-functioning) alcoholics getting behind the wheel every day? You ALREADY share the road with impaired people. Why would legalizing a SAFER substance have a negative effect on this? If anything, some of the people self-medicating with alcohol would switch to weed with legalization, and therefore become safer drivers.
(Not to mention the dangers of texting while driving, eating, age, etc.)
Where can I get these blinders? I want to live in blissful ignorance again like these people.
His_Highness
In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king
You can't get these blinders.....they aren't for sale. They grow naturally on people who haven't any experience with MJ.
Tranquility
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Huh? Just because getting stabbed in the eye by someone on alcohol hurts does not mean getting stabbed in the ear by by someone on marijuana does not.
If you can point out the person driving regularly on alcohol who I can convince to use marijuana instead, we might get some harm reduction. Otherwise, all we are doing is increasing risk. Marijuana and alcohol are not going to be a zero sum game in that there are only so many users and we just have to arrange the deck chairs to determine which side they are going to sit on.
This ignores the fact some people like marijuana more than alcohol and the fact some people will use alcohol in combination with marijuana. Legalization will almost assuredly give us more drivers on the road who are under the influence of drugs and more people on the road with both THC and alcohol in their systems. There will be an increase in risk to others. As to how much that risk is depends on many things. Balancing that risk to the "reward" of freedom or actual benefits to marijuana use is never going to happen if we don't accept the reality of that risk. Pretending there is none because the risk is not as much as some other things does not seem that useful.
I have the opposite opinion, lets see that it's really a problem before we make it one. Right now I see LEO desperate to develop swab tests to analyze THC, but I'm not hearing about all these cannabis induced accidents that are pressuring the development of this technology.
Tranquility
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Your opinion notwithstanding, I promise you the law makers will address what they see as this potential problem before there is blood on the highways.
For another opinion, http://www.factcheck.org/2016/08/unpacking-pots-impact-in-colorado/
Those who support dealing with cannabis and driving will say there are huge increases in marijuana-related traffic deaths that seems correlated with legalization. Those who oppose will say the number measured show an increase of those who have used marijuana and who have died in a traffic accident is because THC has a long half-life and all the data show is more people are using marijuana.
WakeAndVape
VapeLife X
Which brings up an important point.
Marijuana does have a long lifespan in the body when it comes to detection and it isn't always impairing even though it is present.
You can tell if a drunk person is drunk because the test measures the level of alcohol presently in the blood/breath at that exact moment.
Sobriety tests would be a bit skewed if they were measuring how much alcohol you have had in the prior 30 days VS what was presently imparting you
And I don't know where all this blind trust in the findings of LEO'S and insurance companies comes from when it comes to stats and risk assessment.
They make the findings fit their needs. it's statistically and historically happened time after time.
That's not saying THC, in any level, in any person is not impairing in any way...
Tranquility
Well-Known Member
I agree for a number of reasons. THC levels in the bloodstream is not a good indicator of impairment.
I agree and disagree both. Certainly, there is a generally direct relationship between blood alcohol concentration and impairment levels. Generally. I am an opponent of Per Se limits for alcohol, EVEN THOUGH IT GENERALLY COMPORTS WITH IMPAIRMENT, because it is not a direct measurement of impairment. When you look to how they even determine BAC with a breath tester, you see how everything is statistics all the way down. Generally, breath tests are pretty close to blood tests. Generally, BAC is pretty related to impairment. Neither will tell us if the guy who his blowing into the tube has a certain level of alcohol in his blood or if the effect of that derived level impairs his performance.
I would prefer the police to have to show signs of impairment first.
WakeAndVape
VapeLife X
I agree with you 1000% on those points
No doubt about that, it's easy to "make" laws when you are above them. I can't say I find statistics from " a collaboration of federal, state and local drug enforcement agencies" reputable though. The DEA has not quite earned an honesty badge as far as I'm concerned.
Tranquility
Well-Known Member
I don't see how they are above the laws here.
I don't know where you could find any other source for the driving statistics. Only the government will be able to bring together all driving data. (Or, the government giving permission to a private researcher.)
Even proponents of legalization don't seem to challenge the data. They challenge the interpretation.
Convenient, eh?
An organization that already cannot be trusted being the sole provider of data regarding its own law challenging claims.
Legalization seems like a great profiteering concept to hand out more $10,000 DUI's to me. Especially with regards to testing and the effect on bloodstream as you mention.
Tranquility
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If you look at my ID picture, you'll see I have a rather negative view of what government has become. A vast conspiracy of hundreds, if not thousands, of government workers to gather data only that supports the power-driven madness of a few is a bridge too far even for me.
KimDracula
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There's no need for conspiracy theories about the data. The data that is collected regarding cannabis and things like driving are usually on our side as long as they are reported and interpreted correctly (and loose correlation not reported as proven causation, for example). Science is on our side here so far. The problems will come if the science is not what is given weight when legislation is drafted. Lawmakers, unfortunately, are not always primarily concerned with what is best. Not everyone is a nonpartisan technocrat, sadly.
nomadicsoul34
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Topic came up on another thread but thought it would be interesting to get a discussion going here.
I am 21 and my mother hates the fact I sometimes drive high. She has never got high herself so I believe this contributes to the fact she doesn't understand how someone feels when high.
My personal opinion is that for someone that regularly gets high and is experienced with the effects of a high, driving is only marginally more dangerous. As long as (at least for myself) I am within a limit, for example haven't just vaped a whole gram.
Please chime in with your own thoughts and opinions
My views wont be popular because we like to hear what we want to believe...
but i can tell you that with 16 years experience as a firefighter specialising in Road traffic accidents , i have attended some horrific accidents where the drivers have clearly been stoned. ( if you smoke yourself you can spot the signs )
Once youve seen a few innocent lives forever changed by someone who couldnt control their need to get high you soon change your mind.
If it was just you on the road then sure go for it but when you have to share the road with other drivers, cyclists , mothers with strollers etc in my view its beyond selfish.
There is no doubt that it reduces my sharpness and reactions you are changing the way your brain works when you get high. I failed 4 driving tests as a teenager because i was stoned. Took it the 5th time sober and passed.
I cant convince you other wise but just ask yourself if you may be deceiving yourself because you want to believe its safe. ...just like all the drink drivers that tell themselves they are fine to drive.
Ask yourself how you will live with yourself if you skipped just one of the hundreds of red light you come accross and smashed into, killing a young mother or had a single momentary lapse and didnt look to the side before pulling out crushing a child cycling to school. You would always ask yourself till the day you die if it was because you were stoned.
I have enough near misses when im not stoned !!
Just my thoughts