Do strain names really matter? What’s your opinion?

terpojones35

Well-Known Member
When it comes to strain names and the effects that are generally supposed to correspond with them, people often find that their Indica isn’t making them so sleepy and that their Sativa is making them drowsier than it should. Some people are even arguing that they feel like all weed is really the same as a result of cross breeding. When we look at the recent science, more and more evidence is coming to show that the structure and appearance of the plant (indica/sativa) doesn’t matter, but that the internal chemical composition is what really decides what cannabinoids are affecting the user. If most strains are cross breeds, is your weed really even what it’s called? Or is it just weed?
 

CarolKing

Singer of songs and a vapor connoisseur
Some Indicas make me sleeper than others. Some Sativa makes me sleep but some Sativa will make me jittery but I don’t notice as much jitters with Indica. I wonder if it has some to do with how it was grown as well? I don’t grow so just putting that out there. I don’t know the answer.

I do know some of the names describe the clusters of flower buds like Blackberry and Banana. Some strains are called one name and then another name in a different area such as Wedding Cake sometimes it’s called Pink Cookies. Now GrapeApe does taste like berries or grapes just from my experience. I happen to love Premium Girl Scout Cookies more than regular GSC but that could just be me. Green Crack tastes like citrus so you really can’t tell how the strain tastes from the name.
 
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terpojones35

Well-Known Member
Some Indicas make me sleeper than others. Some Sativa makes me sleep but some Sativa will make me jittery but I don’t notice as much jitters with Indica. I wonder if it has some to do with how it was grown as well? I don’t grow so just putting that out there. I don’t know the answer.

I do know some of the names describe the clusters of flower buds like Blackberry and Banana.

The physical descriptions and names based off of those physical traits are always entertaining and sometimes accurate, but using those terms to describe the complex chemical structure cannot be accurate.
 

Madri-Gal

Child Of The Revolution
The physical descriptions and names based off of those physical traits are always entertaining and sometimes accurate, but using those terms to describe the complex chemical structure cannot be accurate.
I see what you are saying, @terpojones35 . I've read that as well, about the structure of the plant not being related to the effects. It's fun to think it works that way, and it makes it easy for bud tenders to make recommendations, but that doesn't appear to make it accurate. When you take in consideration individual physiology, it's even more complicated.
Do strain names matter? You have to call it something, and I'm terrible with numbers. If you tell me something is a sativa, I know it might get a bit tall for the garden, and might take , longer to mature. When I hear Ruderalis, I know I don't have to worry about light, and it will be on the small size. I think the general names help me visualize what the plant looks like. The more specific names are just enticing for me. I can get a general gist of things, like flavor. I don't care for minty weed, so Super Mint is out for me. I love fruity flavors, so call something Fruitty Fruit Fruit, and I'm in that line. It's also helpful to remember what I liked and want again. Pajama Pants was amazeballs, but I'd take a T break before I'd vape Super Mint Deisel Skunky Cheez.
But, do I think it's specific as to effect? Not really. The type and amount of cannabinoids would make a difference, but most cannabis helps with my migraines, except just CBD. Every type seems to help with inflammation, I don't always have the same effect with the same weed.
 

Vaporware

Well-Known Member
I think the people who can’t tell the difference are mostly people with a high tolerance who are on something most of the time. I think a first bowl of X is going to be much more individually distinguishable than a 5th bowl of X in a day, and the first bowl in a 24 hours or more for someone without a huge tolerance is going to be much more distinguishable than the first bowl in 2 hours or the first bowl for someone who takes 3 bowls to feel it.

I don’t inherently dislike Sativas - I really *want* to like them and have them work well for me when I need something during the day, but unless I’m pretty careful with them (low doses/small hits) they can set off anxiety and other issues where a good Indica, especially with some CBD, is far less likely to do that.

Individual grows may matter as much as or even more than strain names, but if you go with a strain you’ve loved before from a grower you trust, I think that gives you the best chance of finding what you’re looking for.
 

BabyFacedFinster

Anything worth doing, is worth overdoing.
For me, names are a good reference for local buds. There's a good chance of consistency if that name is popping up at other local shops. Possibly the same grower supplying various shops.

I don’t inherently dislike Sativas - I really *want* to like them and have them work well for me when I need something during the day, but unless I’m pretty careful with them (low doses/small hits) they can set off anxiety and other issues where a good Indica, especially with some CBD, is far less likely to do that.

Amen to that. I will turn up the vaping temp on sativa dominant strains. I find the higher temps softens the racy effects and adds some sedative effects.
I hate greening out.
 

C No Ego

Well-Known Member
When it comes to strain names and the effects that are generally supposed to correspond with them, people often find that their Indica isn’t making them so sleepy and that their Sativa is making them drowsier than it should. Some people are even arguing that they feel like all weed is really the same as a result of cross breeding. When we look at the recent science, more and more evidence is coming to show that the structure and appearance of the plant (indica/sativa) doesn’t matter, but that the internal chemical composition is what really decides what cannabinoids are affecting the user. If most strains are cross breeds, is your weed really even what it’s called? Or is it just weed?
if you are getting seeds or clones from a reputable supplier then you could expect more " exact to the strain" . buying a name in a store will leave lots to question. and the store will sell it one week and the next batch with the same name could be completely different.
generally after having multiple strains you can tell the strain vai its smell and its structure... I've gotten a few named strains over the years and could relate back the similarities per varietal / chemovar / chemotype
 

psychonaut

Company Rep
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I think the people who can’t tell the difference are mostly people with a high tolerance

And you will also find the same group of people also struggle to feel the effects of edibles. I am not sure what the "block" is but I can clearly tell the difference in effects vaporizing between amnesia haze and king kush, anyone who says otherwise I suspect has something not functioning efficiently in their ECS.
 

MoltenTiger

Well-Known Member
The different strains theoretically mean a specific average genome, and that means a certain signature of plant - but it's pretty complex. Certainly not a case where the same strain = the exact same genome, but with less variability there is some sense that the same strain, from anywhere, should carry much of the same chemical constituents once harvested, and therefore the efficacy should largely be similar.

I've got some buds off one plant of Chocolate Poison that matured purple, whilst I just finished an Oz of the same seed stock (same mother plant) that was green. Both were grown geographically far apart in slightly different climates. A lot of the signature carries through, it's notably different to the Caramel Poison grown with it - having different flavour (terpenes, flavonoids [hundreds of variants possible]), different potency (dissimilar cannabinoid spectrum [~135 variants possible]).
But the flavour and effect between the two different Choc Poison buds is obviously similar despite the colour, so the variance to the constituents between them is very similar, though the appearance is not. Given how far south I live, the fact the green plant was grown in a coastal location compared to elevated and inland, and with the timing between harvests - the more mature inland purple plant would have been exposed to colder temps overall and for longer, and I have seen this procure purple harvests before, and would note that frostbite can produce this discolouration. (and note that a strain like Granddaddy Purple, is a whole different shade of purple, and much more marvellous! - but googling it shows green pics, not like the near-black leaf plant I sampled..).

Interestingly, anthocyanins - the pigments that might cause the purple hue - are flavonoids, and so would generally be vaped even at low temps (but also dwindled in the curing process, as with chlorophyll (green pigment)).
I'll have to get some more green choc poison to directly compare. But the colour alone does mean that the chemical constituents are not exactly the same.

From what I understand, there is an entourage effect between the terpenes, flavonoids and cannabinoids which impacts how we biochemically interact with them. And so I find it makes sense that if the strain is the same, then the effects should be quite similar but never identical.

But also, when it comes to cannabinoids, I think it's a very manipulative experience. It is a psychedelic experience, and so set and setting really can influence the effect more than the exact chemical composition of a dose. Police interaction is something that comes to mind that can quickly disrupt a feeling of bliss. And anxious sensations can't always arrive if the environment disallows.

I've had effects from just cannabis ranging from decent hallucinations, visual and auditory, even blindness, as well as strong euphoria, or paranoia and slight discomfort, lockjaw, cotton-mouth, energetic stimulation, uncontrollable sedation, but mostly just a nice sense of calm, very rarely a mild anxious panic.

If you read up on a strain before you try it, and then consume it with some expectation, that is likely going to cause a slightly different interpretation of the actual effects. It's a bit like a horoscope, the descriptions are already open for interpretation and don't necessarily define anything.
However the actual science that exists behind many of the medical strains is not baseless.

Jack Herer is a good starting point into the world of cannabis strains.
"Created in the Netherlands in the mid-1990s, where it was later distributed by Dutch pharmacies as a recognised medical-grade strain. Since then, the spicy, pine-scented sativa has taken home numerous awards for its quality and potency. Many breeders have attempted to cultivate this staple strain themselves in sunny or Mediterranean climates, and indoor growers should wait 50 to 70 days for Jack Herer to flower."

One of the terpenes, Beta-Caryophyllene, in that strain, and many like Blue Dream (lots of the crowd favourites actually), is also found in black pepper, you can find anecdotal evidence to suggest that chewing black pepper whilst suffering an uncomfortable THC high can mellow the intensity.
However if you can source good buds that already contain the active chemical, maybe you'd be two steps ahead.

One thing humanity has taken for granted for the longest time, in a crucial period I suppose, is the complexity of the clandestine lab that the cannabis plant is. For so long, since the 1920's, we have been synthesising all sorts of problems and banished the solution.

Synthesised cannabinoids are incredible, and really can display the vast potentials with the ECS. However consuming the research chemicals provides good evidence to suggest that there is a large part of the puzzle missing or neglected. As cannabis is properly in the mainstream nowadays, there's a lot of insight documented as to why homogeneous drugs don't work as well, and what it shows is that strains are really more important than we could ever realise. Full plant spectrum exposure is the better choice that doctors are, and will be, discovering, and recreational users already understand. And in order to obtain the best spectrum, nature is so far ahead as to be unsurpassable.

How much we actually know means that strains are less important than healthy plant access, as every plant is it's own little galaxy that exceeds feasible testing limits. But knowing a strain means you can better understand what to expect. If you want to avoid a particular flavour, you can easily do so by getting something that has a closer profile to what you want or require. Beyond making it go down easier and being more enjoyable overall, it changes how it impacts you.

Better cannabis makes more than a small difference. No one should be a strain snob, but every stoner needs to understand that strains do matter, and they have the capacity to mean different things to different users.
 

Madri-Gal

Child Of The Revolution
The different strains theoretically mean a specific average genome, and that means a certain signature of plant - but it's pretty complex. Certainly not a case where the same strain = the exact same genome, but with less variability there is some sense that the same strain, from anywhere, should carry much of the same chemical constituents once harvested, and therefore the efficacy should largely be similar.

I've got some buds off one plant of Chocolate Poison that matured purple, whilst I just finished an Oz of the same seed stock (same mother plant) that was green. Both were grown geographically far apart in slightly different climates. A lot of the signature carries through, it's notably different to the Caramel Poison grown with it - having different flavour (terpenes, flavonoids [hundreds of variants possible]), different potency (dissimilar cannabinoid spectrum [~135 variants possible]).
But the flavour and effect between the two different Choc Poison buds is obviously similar despite the colour, so the variance to the constituents between them is very similar, though the appearance is not. Given how far south I live, the fact the green plant was grown in a coastal location compared to elevated and inland, and with the timing between harvests - the more mature inland purple plant would have been exposed to colder temps overall and for longer, and I have seen this procure purple harvests before, and would note that frostbite can produce this discolouration. (and note that a strain like Granddaddy Purple, is a whole different shade of purple, and much more marvellous! - but googling it shows green pics, not like the near-black leaf plant I sampled..).

Interestingly, anthocyanins - the pigments that might cause the purple hue - are flavonoids, and so would generally be vaped even at low temps (but also dwindled in the curing process, as with chlorophyll (green pigment)).
I'll have to get some more green choc poison to directly compare. But the colour alone does mean that the chemical constituents are not exactly the same.

From what I understand, there is an entourage effect between the terpenes, flavonoids and cannabinoids which impacts how we biochemically interact with them. And so I find it makes sense that if the strain is the same, then the effects should be quite similar but never identical.

But also, when it comes to cannabinoids, I think it's a very manipulative experience. It is a psychedelic experience, and so set and setting really can influence the effect more than the exact chemical composition of a dose. Police interaction is something that comes to mind that can quickly disrupt a feeling of bliss. And anxious sensations can't always arrive if the environment disallows.

I've had effects from just cannabis ranging from decent hallucinations, visual and auditory, even blindness, as well as strong euphoria, or paranoia and slight discomfort, lockjaw, cotton-mouth, energetic stimulation, uncontrollable sedation, but mostly just a nice sense of calm, very rarely a mild anxious panic.

If you read up on a strain before you try it, and then consume it with some expectation, that is likely going to cause a slightly different interpretation of the actual effects. It's a bit like a horoscope, the descriptions are already open for interpretation and don't necessarily define anything.
However the actual science that exists behind many of the medical strains is not baseless.

Jack Herer is a good starting point into the world of cannabis strains.
"Created in the Netherlands in the mid-1990s, where it was later distributed by Dutch pharmacies as a recognised medical-grade strain. Since then, the spicy, pine-scented sativa has taken home numerous awards for its quality and potency. Many breeders have attempted to cultivate this staple strain themselves in sunny or Mediterranean climates, and indoor growers should wait 50 to 70 days for Jack Herer to flower."

One of the terpenes, Beta-Caryophyllene, in that strain, and many like Blue Dream (lots of the crowd favourites actually), is also found in black pepper, you can find anecdotal evidence to suggest that chewing black pepper whilst suffering an uncomfortable THC high can mellow the intensity.
However if you can source good buds that already contain the active chemical, maybe you'd be two steps ahead.

One thing humanity has taken for granted for the longest time, in a crucial period I suppose, is the complexity of the clandestine lab that the cannabis plant is. For so long, since the 1920's, we have been synthesising all sorts of problems and banished the solution.

Synthesised cannabinoids are incredible, and really can display the vast potentials with the ECS. However consuming the research chemicals provides good evidence to suggest that there is a large part of the puzzle missing or neglected. As cannabis is properly in the mainstream nowadays, there's a lot of insight documented as to why homogeneous drugs don't work as well, and what it shows is that strains are really more important than we could ever realise. Full plant spectrum exposure is the better choice that doctors are, and will be, discovering, and recreational users already understand. And in order to obtain the best spectrum, nature is so far ahead as to be unsurpassable.

How much we actually know means that strains are less important than healthy plant access, as every plant is it's own little galaxy that exceeds feasible testing limits. But knowing a strain means you can better understand what to expect. If you want to avoid a particular flavour, you can easily do so by getting something that has a closer profile to what you want or require. Beyond making it go down easier and being more enjoyable overall, it changes how it impacts you.

Better cannabis makes more than a small difference. No one should be a strain snob, but every stoner needs to understand that strains do matter, and they have the capacity to mean different things to different users.
Excellent read, @MoltenTiger
 

Exsmoker

Plant Manager
I think the cannabis industry wins the blue ribbon for creativity in their marketing and strain names. In the old days, strains were named from their origin i.e. Colombian, Acapulco, Afghani, Hawaiian, Panama, Thai, etc. Then when crossbreeding began, the names became more colorful and continued to evolve. While some names are accurate and descriptive, many are just plain silly and attention-getting.

Girl Scout Cookies
Bob Saget OG
Obama Kush
Devil’s Tits
Purple Fucker
God's White Lightning
Hulk Piss
Peanut Butter Breath
Night Terror OG
Satan's Bride
RudeBoi OG
Superglue
Octopussy
Thugs Breath
Shit Happens
Purple Dog Shit
Ambulance
Lion's Milk
Charlie Sheen
Electric Banana On Fire
Forbidden Love
And many more...
 
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invertedisdead

PHASE3
Manufacturer
I think it's interesting how geographically speaking, pure landrace sativas were far more widespread than indica/Afghanica cannabis. But now those pure sativas are almost gone, in favor of more sedative varietals.

Seems like the plant is more of a "downer" these days (at least in the USA) a lot harder to find those energetic, racey sativas.
 

Madri-Gal

Child Of The Revolution
I think it's interesting how geographically speaking, pure landrace sativas were far more widespread than indica/Afghanica cannabis. But now those pure sativas are almost gone, in favor of more sedative varietals.

Seems like the plant is more of a "downer" these days (at least in the USA) a lot harder to find those energetic, racey sativas.
Isn't that because of time and size? My understanding is it takes longer for a sativa to mature, and they grow larger, making them less desirable for indoor growers. Even growing outdoors, you don't want something growing over the top of the fence, attracting attention. We have a pretty long growing season in NorCal, but you don't want to risk early rains, or foggy mornings, bringing powdery mildew in late fall. I'd be concerned that the longer a plant stayed outdoors, and the larger the plant, the more likely it would be to be stolen. I enjoy sativas but if I were selecting something to grow, size and time to mature would matter, indoor or outdoor, and I don't have the pressure of trying to get a crop to market.
 

His_Highness

In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king
For me, the strain name is more important when buying flower versus concentrates. Concentrates haven't held as true to strain expectations as flower has for me. I've had concentrates that were supposedly Indica based that felt way more like a strong Sativa.

For over 3 decades I never knew what strain I was getting. I once asked "my guy" what the strain name was and he said "If I told you it was Mama Jamma Purple Lightning would it get you any higher ?" My response was "Probably".

My 4th and current decade has been way more forthcoming with the strain names. Especially within the last 5 years when buying from a dispensary. If I got good taste and feels from a strain I search it out again but unless I got more of that strain within a short period of time I've found that the effect always differ but the similarities are present and noticeable. I've had some good luck with Sativas and Indicas being true to form so my preference for Sativas during the day and Indicas at night is no longer a crap shoot. Count me as a +1 and grateful for the fruity strains being true to their name when I buy anything based on expected taste.
 

Tranquility

Well-Known Member
I think they teach them the Mama Jamma Purple Lightning trick at dealer school. As a youth, my guy would make a similar statement.

I remember that my buddies and I would play poker most every week and we were always looking for new fish...er...celebratory participants in the game. I remember one fella who was a single-time visitor that, when it was his time to choose, he choose the game "Mexican Sweat".

We thought that very cool and were quiet while he explained this new and exciting game! After he finished we realized the game he described was the game we called "7-card no peekee". (Meaning you didn't get to peek/look at your hole cards.)

Now, 7-card no peekee is a fun game. But, it ain't no Mexican Sweat. MS is WAY cooler.
 
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