Divine Tribe atty's

[Steven]

The actual temperature numbers are obviously way off, so I would not worry about that too much. They just provide a framework for adjustment. The key is to find a temp that works for you. I am fairly sure that 220f in the display is around 400f in reality, if not higher.

The temp reading that @Nube Scrutator shows accurate readings if u kinda know how temp Control works. But at 220F do you finish a large bb size wax. I always need 2 hits at that temp and my huts are about 1 minute long? I'm just wondering if we are getting same hits at 220F? Or if I'm doing something wrong. Maybe my long steady draws are cooling the donut down too much for 220F

 

[divinetribe]

are there any settings on the Invader that I don't want to use because it could damage the atomizer? Can I go full on high power if that's how I like it without damaging the unit?

i would stick to 25w
and always check it to see if it is in temp mode before every use.
you can also lock the buttons by pressing both the minus and plus while it is in normal mode.
shipping shallow base out today

 

[ragnorokk]

i would stick to 25w
and always check it to see if it is in temp mode before every use.
you can also lock the buttons by pressing both the minus and plus while it is in normal mode.
shipping shallow base out today

So if you don't have a temp Control mod 4.2v is a nice sweet spot for the donut. Or if you have a variable Wattage mod, I personally set it at 13w and just repeatedly ride the button. I highly recommend a temp Control mod though. Your wax will never burn.
As for your previous response about leakage. The air holes must be near the donut because airflow must hit the donut to create vapor. Thus, this is mostly a load and go piece. I personally load a large bb size Shatter. After 5 or so hits I flip the donut upside down while firing it and wiping with a tissue. I'm a bit anal and I'm sure you can get away with plenty more hits before doing this. But by doing this, I never got any leaks of any kind and never had to remove atty to blow from bottom. You may have to heat up your donut. Take it out. Cover side holes and blow from bottom.
http://m.dhgate.com/product/pinnacle-pro-glass-smoking-water-pipe-vaporblunt/184494946.html#pd-019
I use the pinnacle pro bubbler with a silicone mouth piece off an atmos jewel as an adapter to the top piece of the donut atomizer. I love the 2.5 donut. Enjoy

OK well here's my report on my v2.5 session..
My last post here was all about the v2 ceramic doughnut that I got some time back, and was very happy with it. I used it at 20 watts its entire life and ran MUCH oil thru it. Lasted almost a month until I over-heated it during cleaning. Fried.
So, the v2.5 was released when I needed a new one, so, I got (1) one free one and one I paid for.

Well.
The first one I used at the same old 20 watts as I did before with the v2. This caused the v2.5 to fail within a week, as I went up as far as 24 watts, and cracked the doughnut.

The second v2.5 ceramic doughnut that I got kept at 18 watts and was happy for another week, then it suddenly died as well.

This was way before all this tc talk and instructions about staying below 12 watts.

So, that's my story. I don't necessarily deserve a new one for free, but would welcome it. Otherwise, can't afford to re-invest again at this time....

So yeah keep those babies under 12 watts......

I have a new base for you , but come on bro why so high on the wattage, are you burning bubble hash ? throat hits and flavors must be horrible.

AWesome test
thanks you so much
I love mine at 220f

I'm getting very mixed messages here. What is safer for the donut, VV or VW? My device uses pwm for it's VV mode, which I was under the impression isn't great for the donuts. @12W, I can't get visible hits before my mod's 10 second timer is up. I have seen upwards of 25W recommended, but some say theirs are dying being used much lower. I feel like I have a choice of "break it, but get a few clouds first", or "can't get a hit, but it will never quit." It almost sounds like go TC or just expect it to explode shortly (like my 2.0). I guess I'll just shelve it until I have a temp control mod.

 

[Steven]

I'm getting very mixed messages here. What is safer for the donut, VV or VW? My device uses pwm for it's VV mode, which I was under the impression isn't great for the donuts. @12W, I can't get visible hits before my mod's 10 second timer is up. I have seen upwards of 25W recommended, but some say theirs are dying being used much lower. I feel like I have a choice of "break it, but get a few clouds first", or "can't get a hit, but it will never quit." It almost sounds like go TC or just expect it to explode shortly (like my 2.0). I guess I'll just shelve it until I have a temp control mod.

Personally it's temp Control > vv > vw. At vv I liked it at 4.2v and I just ride the button. With vw I set it at 13w on my ipv mini 2 and just ride the button. My hits are about 1 minute. I never popped a donut by vaping this way. Only time I pop one is when I have an Atlantis atty at 30 w and forget to change settings when switching to donut. This was before I knew about low temp. Those settings will get the donut glowing but will give massive clouds. With the donuts I always get big hits and the longest lasting atty ever. There is no trade off in my experience

 

[ragnorokk]

I cracked the last 2 in days. Maybe my VV battery is a POS, who knows. It's not like I use it for ejuice.

 

[Steven]

I cracked the last 2 in days. Maybe my VV battery is a POS, who knows. It's not like I use it for ejuice.

I haven't used vv in a very long time. But I did use it on the Core with an adapter at 4.2v with great results. I always just ride the button. Back then I used the robox mod that Dt used to sell. On vw devices you have to be very careful pass 13.5w. If you take long hits, u r going to recycle the firing button before the 10 seconds to continue drawing. However with vw, the mod will increase voltage for every button press and the donut reaches danger zones at 4.5 v. At 4.5v+ the donut should only be pulsed

With wax at 13 watts even after increasing voltage after every button press while riding the button, voltage only gets to around 4.1 and sometimes 4.3 max depending in viscosity of wax.

I can only speak of my very own experience with it. This setting is good for those who take long hits and who will repress the fire button more than 4 times during a hit. I always search for a setting where I just ride the button. Good luck

You would not regret a TC mod though. Can ride the button with the Hercules sr74x black rod too so that's a huge plus

 

[ragnorokk]

Word. I'm still waiting on a universal tc mod. The invader seems like a step in the right direction. As soon as there's a reliable tc mod that can do low and high resistance, I'm in.

 

[Steven]

Keep ur eyes out for innokin itc. They r making bold claims. Or asolo by ijoy if you have the money or wanna gamble on a new company.

 

[Midnight Toker]

My experience at 220F is very lackluster. At 220F I need to take at least 2 hits to finish the same amount at a higher temp. Vapor production and more importantly, the high, was lackluster. I like to use 300-330F at 16w. I change temp depending on strain or if it's crumble or shatter

According to @Nube Scrutator his data tells me that the invader mini temperature control is accurate enough. And according to http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/vaporization-temperature-dependent-selection-of-effects.1637/
356F is the ballpark temp you want to vape your goods before reaching any sedative effects. At 220F I do not believe you are vaping most of the cannabanoids. A real life test experiment with the 2 Temps (220F at 16w and 300F at 16w) with the same amount backs the data up in my experience. But if 220F works for you then that's cool too. Everybody has different preferences. Just a reminder, benzene and other carcinogens are present pass 365F

What temp do you like for wax and crumble?

 

[Steven]

What temp do you like for wax and crumble?

I go off taste and harshness off a hit. I usually just do 300F at 16w but if vapor production I ramp up the heat. I usually keep it between 300-330

 

[Midnight Toker]

I go off taste and harshness off a hit. I usually just do 300F at 16w but if vapor production I ramp up the heat. I usually keep it between 300-330

Thanks. I've got some very flavorful Raskal OG crumble and some donut coils on the way. Just trying to figure out the best temp to maximize the flavor. Want the hit to taste like it does in my quartz banger.

 

[Steven]

Thanks. I've got some very flavorful Raskal OG crumble and some donut coils on the way. Just trying to figure out the best temp to maximize the flavor. Want the hit to taste like it does in my quartz banger.

Well, others on here have been successful with 220F so I'd imagine that should give you more flavor so I'd try that first. Personally I get less than half the vapor production at that temp compared to 300F, so play around with it and report back. I'm curious as to what I may be doing wrong

 

[Skored]

I think everybody's going to have different results depending on battery/fill.

Vaping oil is no different than bud: certain compounds are released at lower temperatures while others at higher temperatures. The terpenes that offer flavor go first at lower temps. So if you vape at a lower temp, you'll catch all the flavor. But if your bowl still has some product, you can vape the rest at a higher temp, and that will not be as flavorful as you've stripped the terpenes at the lower temp. Start your bowl at a higher temp, and you get the flavor and other cannabinoids at once, and a much larger, fuller hit.

So it all depends on what you're trying to accomplish. I do both of these styles depending on what kind of high I'm looking for.

Now the trick is how to get to that temp. Factors include: bowl fill, voltage or wattage, and steady press vs. pulsing. This is all about trying different methods and honing your device to your liking.

If you have a full bowl, the donut will naturally stay a bit cooler through the button press. In these instances, a higher voltage or wattage (say 4.2 Volts or 20W) with steady button pressing works well. With a less full bowl, lower voltage or wattage (say 3.6V or 14W) with steady button pressing works, while higher voltage or wattage with pulsing works equally well.

Again, this is all about feeling how to "control" the heat when not using a TC device. The major key to remember is that should the temperature get to high, your burning your oil. The donut continues to heat up the longer the button is pressed. I've had some situations where a 4 second button push was great, but a 5 second push tasted nasty.

And to complicate things further, different oils will work better at higher temps while others are just fine at lower temps.

Get to know your device, understand the principals I laid out and you're on your way to something that will make you happy!

 

[divinetribe]

I think everybody's going to have different results depending on battery/fill.

Vaping oil is no different than bud: certain compounds are released at lower temperatures while others at higher temperatures. The terpenes that offer flavor go first at lower temps. So if you vape at a lower temp, you'll catch all the flavor. But if your bowl still has some product, you can vape the rest at a higher temp, and that will not be as flavorful as you've stripped the terpenes at the lower temp. Start your bowl at a higher temp, and you get the flavor and other cannabinoids at once, and a much larger, fuller hit.

So it all depends on what you're trying to accomplish. I do both of these styles depending on what kind of high I'm looking for.

Now the trick is how to get to that temp. Factors include: bowl fill, voltage or wattage, and steady press vs. pulsing. This is all about trying different methods and honing your device to your liking.

If you have a full bowl, the donut will naturally stay a bit cooler through the button press. In these instances, a higher voltage or wattage (say 4.2 Volts or 20W) with steady button pressing works well. With a less full bowl, lower voltage or wattage (say 3.6V or 14W) with steady button pressing works, while higher voltage or wattage with pulsing works equally well.

Again, this is all about feeling how to "control" the heat when not using a TC device. The major key to remember is that should the temperature get to high, your burning your oil. The donut continues to heat up the longer the button is pressed. I've had some situations where a 4 second button push was great, but a 5 second push tasted nasty.

And to complicate things further, different oils will work better at higher temps while others are just fine at lower temps.

Get to know your device, understand the principals I laid out and you're on your way to something that will make you happy!

well spoken I am going to use this !!!!

 

[Steven]

So I'm starting to notice some inconsistencies with the donut on the invader mini. I ramp the heat to 450 for cleaning and the donut glows red. However after doing this sometimes, the donut will still slightly glow at 300F. 300F is my usual vape setting and it usually does not glow red on a dry fire. Yet after letting the mod sit for a while I try again and now the donut does not glow. I experienced this about 3 times now. The vape is flavorful, milks for about a minute, and produces lots of vapor when the donut is at 300F and not glowing. At 300F and glowing, it stops milking at 20 seconds or so, isn't too flavorful, and produces thicker but less vapor.

Does anybody's donut glow at 300F?

 

[DJ Colonel Corn]

I'm getting very mixed messages here. What is safer for the donut, VV or VW? My device uses pwm for it's VV mode, which I was under the impression isn't great for the donuts. @12W, I can't get visible hits before my mod's 10 second timer is up. I have seen upwards of 25W recommended, but some say theirs are dying being used much lower. I feel like I have a choice of "break it, but get a few clouds first", or "can't get a hit, but it will never quit." It almost sounds like go TC or just expect it to explode shortly (like my 2.0). I guess I'll just shelve it until I have a temp control mod.

... I feel the same way.
I was told to keep this under 11 watts, but I find it does not provide worthwhile vapor at this low of a setting. I've seen Matt himself recommend 25w, but he told me 10w.
I do not have a temp control mod, but let me remind you all how a tc mod works.
A temp control mod does not actually read the temperature of your device. It approximates it according to the metal its programmed for. For example, nickle is normally used with tc mode mods, because it's a non-alloy and the temp can be predicted by the calculator quite well. It's done by math, not by a thermometer. I'm not sure how exactly the mod is programmed to read ceramic, or whatever wire is used inside of that ceramic, but, adjustments are made according to the metal or substance being used.
That said, I've seen the pics on this thread with the temp gauge connected and all that, looks ok....
.... but back to my original statement.
I agree with @ragnorokk in the fact that I'm confused as to how to use this thing to where I get vapor but I don't burn it out. I'm thinking of asking Matt for an old V2.0 because it worked so well in comparison to this.
So do I shelf it because 10 watts isn't enough heat ? Or should I try to go up to 20w as was once recommended by Matt and see how long it lasts ?
In my frustration I have investigated the 1701 ceramic donut coil by w9tech. Should be in soon.
What else was I supposed to do ?
-djc

 

[Steven]

... I feel the same way.
I was told to keep this under 11 watts, but I find it does not provide worthwhile vapor at this low of a setting. I've seen Matt himself recommend 25w, but he told me 10w.
I do not have a temp control mod, but let me remind you all how a tc mod works.
A temp control mod does not actually read the temperature of your device. It approximates it according to the metal its programmed for. For example, nickle is normally used with tc mode mods, because it's a non-alloy and the temp can be predicted by the calculator quite well. It's done by math, not by a thermometer. I'm not sure how exactly the mod is programmed to read ceramic, or whatever wire is used inside of that ceramic, but, adjustments are made according to the metal or substance being used.
That said, I've seen the pics on this thread with the temp gauge connected and all that, looks ok....
.... but back to my original statement.
I agree with @ragnorokk in the fact that I'm confused as to how to use this thing to where I get vapor but I don't burn it out. I'm thinking of asking Matt for an old V2.0 because it worked so well in comparison to this.
So do I shelf it because 10 watts isn't enough heat ? Or should I try to go up to 20w as was once recommended by Matt and see how long it lasts ?
In my frustration I have investigated the 1701 ceramic donut coil by w9tech. Should be in soon.
What else was I supposed to do ?
-djc

With a vw mod just leave it at 13w and ride the button until your out of breath. The v2 and 2.5 uses the same donut and the 2.5 is amazing compared to v2. I used this setting with wonderful results and never cracked a donut. Give it a shot and play around with it. This setting is a bit hot but will get you good vapor

 

[Skored]

I agree with @ragnorokk in the fact that I'm confused as to how to use this thing to where I get vapor but I don't burn it out. I'm thinking of asking Matt for an old V2.0 because it worked so well in comparison to this.
So do I shelf it because 10 watts isn't enough heat ? Or should I try to go up to 20w as was once recommended by Matt and see how long it lasts ?
In my frustration I have investigated the 1701 ceramic donut coil by w9tech. Should be in soon.
What else was I supposed to do ?
-djc

Bump up your watts and you'll be fine. I think Matt was mistaken by saying you need to run it at 10W. But you need to find the sweet spot between watts and pulsing vs. holding. Try it at 16W and keep your button presses to under 3 seconds, and pulse it like that three times. You should get a killer smooth rip. Then play around above and below that wattage to hone the device to your liking.

Don't be afraid about cracking the donut - I've been using mine for a while without any problems at all. All those that cracked donuts seemed to be really riding the button long at wattage around or over 20. I personally don't understand those that are riding the button for 10+ second hits - the heat builds quickly in these things and it's a sure fire way to burn your oil.

 

[Steven]

The best vaping experience for me is just plug n play. Just load and fire away. Ideally riding the button is my way to go. I only load a large bb sized ball of shatter and finish everything by the end of my hit, which is about 1 minute. When I had a vw mod, burning my oil wasn't an issue. I feel if you don't finish what you load in the donut, the hits thereafter are just a downgrade in flavor and potency. I don't get any joy at all from a 10 second milk. But everyone is different. Sad to say I have very high tolerance

 

[Skored]

The best vaping experience for me is just plug n play. Just load and fire away. Ideally riding the button is my way to go. I only load a large bb sized ball of shatter and finish everything by the end of my hit, which is about 1 minute. When I had a vw mod, burning my oil wasn't an issue. I feel if you don't finish what you load in the donut, the hits thereafter are just a downgrade in flavor and potency. I don't get any joy at all from a 10 second milk. But everyone is different. Sad to say I have very high tolerance

I'm so confused about your draw time, and you've mentioned it twice now. You actually hold on to the button for a full minute, drawing the entire time? How is that possible? My shit would be so burnt by then (even at 2 Volts), and I don't think I can even inhale for longer than 30 seconds at a time!

Also, when hit properly (controlling lower temperatures), this thing preserves a good amount of flavor almost to the end. So I can put in .1 or so of a shatter, and have that be flavorful for about 3 sessions, with each session being about 2-3 hits and each hit being a total of 6-8 second draw (with or without pulsing).

Now I know we're all different, but your results surprise/impress me!

 

[ragnorokk]

I'm so confused about your draw time, and you've mentioned it twice now. You actually hold on to the button for a full minute, drawing the entire time? How is that possible? My shit would be so burnt by then (even at 2 Volts), and I don't think I can even inhale for longer than 30 seconds at a time!

Also, when hit properly (controlling lower temperatures), this thing preserves a good amount of flavor almost to the end. So I can put in .1 or so of a shatter, and have that be flavorful for about 3 sessions, with each session being about 2-3 hits and each hit being a total of 6-8 second draw (with or without pulsing).

Now I know we're all different, but your results surprise/impress me!

I am having very lackluster results still. While I will probably continue to test, I'm not having a super fun time watching my oil relocate itself from one place in the skillet to another (From the donut itself to creeping up the wall of the skillet, with very little vapor production between). Is everyone else also using the deep dish skillet? I find the sweet spot for me is still elusive. I'm being less ginger with it than I had previously been; but I imagine whatever technique I like best will probably crack it, going by my history w/ donuts.

@Steven i have a 10sec timer on my mod, so pulsing is the only option available to me.

 

[Steven]

Yes my hits are about 45 seconds to 1 minute. I repress the fire button at 8 seconds or so and press it over 4 times. I always kill my load and blow out enough vapor to cloud my image in the mirror. I take bigger hits than most people I meet. I have a bubbler attachment and milk it slow like a 4 ft bong.
As mentioned I only like to ride the button. And as you said we are all different. I go through 3-4 grams of shatter in a week, just to give you an idea of my tolerance. A 10 second draw won't tickle my throat at all.

 

[Steven]

@ragnorokk have you tried my suggestions. On a vw mod try 13 watts and just repress the button every 8 seconds or so until out of breath. I roll a small bb size ball of shatter and drop it right in the center of the donut. Let the hole cradle the shatter. Take the most gentle hit while drawing to avoid splatter.

 

[ragnorokk]

I'll get back to you about how 13w works for me soon. I couldn't get anything at 12w, and ((16w for 3sec) x 3) was nothing special, but did give me a little vapor to go with my splatter. Maybe 13-15w with a full 10sec will work for me. Thx.

 

[Steven]

I'll get back to you about how 13w works for me soon. I couldn't get anything at 12w, and ((16w for 3sec) x 3) was nothing special, but did give me a little vapor to go with my splatter. Maybe 13-15w with a full 10sec will work for me. Thx.

If you have the lungs to go beyond 10 seconds I suggest you do so. Just repress the button before the 10 seconds is up. In fact the repressing is essential for this technique because by the 2nd or 3rd press, it should be firing around 4.1 volts

I never let time dictate my hits. I hit until I'm out of breath