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OF
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I'm sorry, I don't follow the question since I'm not sure what you're referring to? Quoting which of the many statements I've made in the last 24 hours you're thinking of would help.......
Guessing......no, the change in heating rate is small and not important since TCR is still being used to control the temperature. Same as tuning your car up (and getting a few more HP) doesn't mean you'll get speeding tickets all over town. Here we're able to apply a bit more power to the heaters (by wasting less heating the wrong areas) to get there a small bit faster (and have the base stay a bit cooler). Your settings from before should get you close, remember they were never perfect and 'hands free' anyway?
AFAIK there is no 'V1, V2' defined?
I hope that was what you wanted?
OF
huffmybrd
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This post of yours is i was referencing. I thought I had quoted it when I posted last night but my mobile has been wonky lately.
Imo, Since the quartz is slightly thicker then it should retain the heat longer, but I didn't know if we'd have to tweak the settings ever so slightly.
But now I just realized that since the coils are the same, then nothing should have to change (except maybe lowering he wattage, 35w does great for me)
And the term "v2" has been used to define the quartzquest upgraded version (aka, the v2 lol) all over reddit so that just what Ive been calling it. Heck I even think matt Matts been referring to it as the "v2" aswell.
@divinetribe settle this for us, what is the upgraded QuartzQuest "officially" called?
OF
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Thanks. But I think you have the logic backwards? With the walls being thicker they will heat slower and therefore the 'tide line' will be lower? Retained heat has little to do with this except the time frame since we're always starting a hit from 'too cold'. More mass to heat by conduction, lower temperatures in the same time.
The change is small (less than 10%?) so old settings should be 'close enough for jazz'.
The two changes I notice are slightly faster heating (mostly because it hits 'both sides' of the ten second cutoff) and thicker cup walls heating slower and keeping the 'vapor layer' lower in the bowl (meaning less splatter?).
OF
My replacement QQ arrived today and it works great! I broke the original glass top for it so I am using a competitor's glass attachment instead. I am using Ni/400F/20w and the temp never reads above 180 or so. Just enjoyed a giant slab of CBD isolate.
Thanks Matt! for all of your hard work and your customer support. I will be giving away the rest of my atomizers since the QQ is all I will need. No disrespect to Vic, but the QQ blows the HVT gear out of the water flavor wise.......
.....just wanted to add that the heat up time is very quick......the first gen unit took much, much longer to reach vape temps....
Thanks Matt! for all of your hard work and your customer support. I will be giving away the rest of my atomizers since the QQ is all I will need. No disrespect to Vic, but the QQ blows the HVT gear out of the water flavor wise.......
.....just wanted to add that the heat up time is very quick......the first gen unit took much, much longer to reach vape temps....
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florduh
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@mephisto have you used the TAF Sai? You'd say the improved QQ blows it out of the water? If so, you've piqued my interest. I didn't think it gets better than the TAF Sai!
@divinetribe Matt, if we didn't purchase the original QQ, when will we be able to order the new and improved version?
OF
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Based on his posts on upgrade kits, those parts are still in short supply. Only part of us are getting ours from this batch, the remainder are expecting to be covered by the next batch 'by the end of the month'. Since the upgrade is essentially a new unit I suspect new units come after that?
One thing sure, Matt had better start selling them for real money, a guy can go broke this way........ I'm sure he's anxious to sell more but is taking care of us instead.
So that's my (somewhat) educated guess. I'm betting on two or 3 weeks more wait, perhaps a bit less (maybe he opens orders once supply is assured)? In the mean time I'm trying to decide how many more to order when the blessed event happens. Two seems reasonable, maybe 3? You have no idea how well they're received by guys that don't know them.
IMO well worth a little more wait. Then again, I've got my personal one recharging right now so it's easy for me to say?
Once you try it, the urge to have one of your very own takes root fast it seems.......
OF
florduh
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Well damn. Maybe Matt will do a pre-order. I skipped the first version after I started hearing about people having issues. But the 2.0 version sounds amazing. After using the TAF Sai, I'm pretty sold on these "next gen" bucket atomizers. Huge clean hits with no torch or e-nail cords... all at the touch of a button.
We're living in the Future, people!
OF
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Perhaps, although right now I think he's mighty busy with past customers. Holding off is completely understandable, I'm sure you're not alone. It doesn't hurt to ask him (by PM) when he intends to open ordering again.
I agree, we're living in exciting times for sure. Lots of pitfalls, but some outstanding opportunities as well. FWIW I think great vapes share a common feature of dependable performance. You can't be great until you're a reliable tool. QQ was close, shows great promise when working right, the improved version we now have before us may very well breakthrough that threshold.....in fact it seems more likely than not right now.
We are living at the cutting edge for sure, and the future looks bright! Let us count those blessings.....
Regards to all,
OF
florduh
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Yeah that's why I've been using the TAF Sai. While I'd prefer to vape off of quartz, the Sai just works. Once I programmed my mod, I haven't had to fiddle with the thing in months.
That having been said, the Quartz Quest introduces some much needed innovation into this space. I really really hope all the "bugs" have been worked out of the device. When Matt opens up orders again, I'll be happy to support him and innovation in the wax vape market.
OF
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That's where I am, 55 Watts, near the max Matt called out. It's taking about 10 seconds from cold, lower power will mean longer waits. However, it only takes maybe 30 Watts to maintain temperature, so you need to 'stay on top of it' or it will overheat big time.
I agree, flavor is top notch. Comparisons to nails I'll leave to the truly serious. It's sure a big step forward for the faithful (that's us.....).
Bravo Matt! If we were a Church you'd be a Deacon for sure. At least that.......
OF
florduh
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Does anyone find the mouthpiece on the QQ to be too harsh? I use the TAF Sai without the bubbler. It hits ya a bit in the back of the throat but I find it quite comfortable.
I'm curious how users find the mouthpiece on the QQ as I usually don't run my stuff through water.
I'm curious how users find the mouthpiece on the QQ as I usually don't run my stuff through water.
Ive seen Matt suggest tcr values in this thread, are these settings in above post (Ni/400F/20w) good tc settings in the eyes of current qq 2 users and u/divinetribe1
@florduh I have retired the HVT TAF atomizer, I don't like vaping from metal and it takes way too much time/power to get vapor. The QQ heats up faster, its Quartz, and I really like supporting Matt and DT.
@graydeh1 the values you see posted are based on the suggestions of others, they are working very well for my usage with CBD crumbles, isolates, and ethanol based extracts. I don't mess with the M values, just set the mod for the values you see.
@graydeh1 the values you see posted are based on the suggestions of others, they are working very well for my usage with CBD crumbles, isolates, and ethanol based extracts. I don't mess with the M values, just set the mod for the values you see.
florduh
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That's crazy! I get vapor in like 4-5 seconds on mine. But yeah in general I'd prefer Quartz. When Matt opens up sales again I'm itching to try one. No issues with "harshness"? I heard some people asking for a longer mouthpiece for home use so I was curious. For comparison, I didn't find the Sai harsh at all. But you do get a slight "metal mouth" taste.
Thanks!
glass or pass
OF
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So, after some more use, I'm now convinced that making the floor of the bowl thicker was a mistake. Making the walls thicker and improving the finish might be positive but the increased thickness of glass between the heaters and the load slows things down unnecessarily. And awkwardly IMO.
My old routine, heating to an indicated 310 then cutting power for the first hit, no longer works. I now need to hold the heaters on for several seconds to get even a modest hit. Likewise 'topping up' the heat is awkward and more prone to error. If you're not careful by the time you get enough heat into the load for good vapor there's TOO MUCH HEAT in the glass working it's way to the load. Going over temperature and burning the goods is unavoidable at that point.
I get it that drilling the holes in the base so close to the edge is harder, and causes more rejects, but IMO it's a negative to make it thicker between heaters and load.
Fortunately, since this is an upgrade I can go back and get the old style bowl to 'upgrade the upgrade', which I plan to do later today. In closed loop ('feedback') systems like I think we have here delays (slow response) can be the kiss of death in terms of regulation. It invites 'overshooting' as well as 'undershooting' the goal.
Has anyone else noticed this? It's technique sensitive, of course, but I'd think others would sense the change especially if asked?
This is a case, I think, of 'looks prettier but don't work so good'. Perhaps it can be 'fixed' by change in technique but IMO it would have been better still if it wasn't a factor now.
Regards to all.
OF
My old routine, heating to an indicated 310 then cutting power for the first hit, no longer works. I now need to hold the heaters on for several seconds to get even a modest hit. Likewise 'topping up' the heat is awkward and more prone to error. If you're not careful by the time you get enough heat into the load for good vapor there's TOO MUCH HEAT in the glass working it's way to the load. Going over temperature and burning the goods is unavoidable at that point.
I get it that drilling the holes in the base so close to the edge is harder, and causes more rejects, but IMO it's a negative to make it thicker between heaters and load.
Fortunately, since this is an upgrade I can go back and get the old style bowl to 'upgrade the upgrade', which I plan to do later today. In closed loop ('feedback') systems like I think we have here delays (slow response) can be the kiss of death in terms of regulation. It invites 'overshooting' as well as 'undershooting' the goal.
Has anyone else noticed this? It's technique sensitive, of course, but I'd think others would sense the change especially if asked?
This is a case, I think, of 'looks prettier but don't work so good'. Perhaps it can be 'fixed' by change in technique but IMO it would have been better still if it wasn't a factor now.
Regards to all.
OF
I won't go in-depth since there seems to be plenty of good reports here. My new pieces came yesterday and I just now got a chance to try it out. I off-gassed a bit at a diff preset, but my old preset works fine on the new setup. 50W, 310F. I've only taken a couple rips off it so far, but it's working great. The new deck is solid, the screws are much improved, and the thicker quartz crucible's obvious benefits are very much present. The base got REALLY hot during the off-gas, but I was also using the extra heat sync that came with the original order; I suggest you use this as well, especially if using a pricey mod.
This was definitely an iterative success. Great work, Matt!
This was definitely an iterative success. Great work, Matt!
Danksta
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My old unit only lasted a few hours but I recall chazing or getting really close to chazing the old one.
I'm still at 60w, I do a 10sec preheat and then start to hit while I hit the power button for a couple secs to get the vapor where I'd like it. So far I have not chazed the unit or burnt dabs in general.
I'm still happy with the current unit as it seem it would be harder to chaz this unit over the old one. That's a win for me. Much easier to let someone else use it without risk of chaz.
tylerj55
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I’m with ya on this. The thicker sides are nice for sure, but the thick base adds to the heat up time and I already went back to my other cup. It has a tiny little chip in it and isn’t exactly perfect, but the thinner base is really nice and it seems to help me get the dab off of the dab tool as tool warms up a lot quicker now.