Discreet on demand convection? Does this exist?

[BabyFacedFinster]

If you truly want to be discrete I would suggest pressing your nugs into rosin with a Dabpress, then you can carry a more compact setup that looks like any ordinary ecig. That's discrete.

+1 I had very good discretion using rosin in a Fury 2, and will still have the F2 in the rotation. However, I have been fucking around with the Boundless Terp pen for the last few weeks and have loved the ease of use and discretion. A little rosin on the tip, put the cap on and you're loaded and ready to puff. You can carry a little dab jar, touch the pen tip into your jar and you're ready to go again.

Homemade rosin appeals to me as someone just along for the ride on this thread. Wouldn't daily concentrate use level up my tolerance though?

If you don't go crazy, you don't need to up your tolerance. You can just take a few small hits to equal the higher number of hits you would take on flower herb. That said, you do need to monitor and keep yourself at a tolerance you're comfortable with. It can get away from you if you're not careful.

To me, the easiest was the ccell cart, but I'm off cartridges for the time being.

 

[KeroZen]

on-demand convection can be done with butane but I haven't seen any main stream units do it well with current battery technology yet

You surely have missed some boats there, as the current battery technology (read Li-Ion cells) is more than ample enough to perform the job, and the Ghost MV1 is absolutely not the first, unless you mean mass-marketed when you say mainstream.

Even the Firewood till the 3rd (or was it fourth?) version, which was still using the previous tech (Ni-Mh cells) was already on-demand convection.

But then we had the Zion, Milaana, MistVape Touch, Tubo Evic, the BULLI and Project, again Firewood when Marc switched to Li-Ion, then ultimately all the 510 attys wave (Splinter, Stempod, Glow, Musa, upcoming Herbie and more...)

There are also Chinese vapes that are both compact and full convection, albeit not on demand that's true, but close enough honestly, like the FlowerMate Swift-Pro and the Boundless CFV counterpart, and afterwards the Boundless Tera.

I'm surely forgetting many others, a few on purpose, but all of that to say that the barrier is not the battery technology anymore. The only problematic point that remains with convection, be it on demand or not, is the cooling aspect: these vapes require longer stems or vapor paths compared to conduction ones.

This particular aspect is tackled wonderfully well in the Nomad, which uses a rather long stem traveling across the entire body height, very similar to how the Ascent was built (and still is? don't think it's been discontinued? but if feels so has-been nowadays...) There are also some nice cooling stems initiatives, but they tend to have some drawbacks (cleaning difficulty being the major culprit usually, catching attention coming second...)

 

[CANtalk]

You surely have missed some boats there, as the current battery technology (read Li-Ion cells) is more than ample enough to perform the job, and the Ghost MV1 is absolutely not the first, unless you mean mass-marketed when you say mainstream.

I mean mainstream as in significant sellers, not the boutique options (of which there are many). Missed boats? Let's see...

Even the Firewood till the 3rd (or was it fourth?) version, which was still using the previous tech (Ni-Mh cells) was already on-demand convection.

I don't know the old stuff but I don't see a lot of merit in outright discounting a judgment when its relative to personal opinions of a unit vaporizing "well" (which includes cool vapor), being 'discrete' and 'small'? IMO, the reviews of many boutique units such as this one are pretty spotty, especially in consideration for the OP.

But then we had the Zion, Milaana, MistVape Touch, the BULLI and Project, again Firewood when Marc switched to Li-Ion, then ultimately all the 510 attys wave (Splinter, Stempod, Glow, Musa, upcoming Herbie and more...)

Again, these aren't mainstream units, and I'd find the discreteness debatable.

There are also Chinese vapes that are both compact and full convection, albeit not on demand that's true, but close enough honestly, like the FlowerMate Swift-Pro and the Boundless CFV counterpart. I'm surely forgetting many others, but all of that to say that the barrier is not the battery technology anymore. The only problematic point that remains with on demand convection is the cooling aspect: these vapes require longer stems or vapor paths compared to conduction ones.

In addition to the earlier considerations mentioned these vapes veer also into how 'well' they vaporize. With the OPs feedback all of the responses so far have not bothered with these vapes you mention. IMO, there was no need to go into them either for the OPs solicitation. YMMV.

This is an aspect that is tackled wonderfully well in the Nomad, which uses a rather long stem traveling across the entire body height, very similar to how the Ascent was built (and still is? don't think it's been discontinued? but if feels so has-been nowadays...)

That's now in unregulated territory; that's not a mainstream.



I can see the future of evapes for sure, but I'm not really seeing the merits of such a strong dismissal of my initial post . YMMV.

 

[KeroZen]

I already answered the OP question, I was merely answering the sentence I quoted from your reply, which was more general and about the battery tech in particular. I'm sorry if my tone sounded aggressive in any way whatsoever, English is not my native language and it's not the first time, unfortunately, that my writing style came harsh to other people. I apologize for that sincerely.

Apart from that, I did not list the above vapes in my initial reply to the OP, as indeed most of them don't fit the required criteria. Being mainstream was not one of them though. So, given the Nomad rarity and price, I should correct my initial answer and change it for the Impcognito, which is readily available, quite cheap, and very stealthy if paired with the proper box mod.

 

[CANtalk]

No problem @KeroZen . We're all coming from different perspectives. I was thinking since the OP was looking at the Pax and Argo that mainstream vapes appealed to him more. I'm definitely light on my box mod and 510 vape knowledge (the 510 dry herb atomizers aren't convection IIRC [EDIT, wrong} and as such haven't been discussed) and am always interested in getting feedback on them as well as more boutique bespoke options. Sharing is good .

 

[invertedisdead]

Wouldn't daily concentrate use level up my tolerance though?

I doubt it. Remember THC never actually gets stronger in a concentrate. Since it's based on weight, those numbers only go up due to the removal of plant material. You can just do small dabs, I call them pinheads.

Also, you can always vape flower at home. If you only vaped rosin occasionally on the go I doubt it would impact your tolerance. You should only need about 20% of the dose you'd vape in flower form.

When it comes to rosin you're literally just melting the same oil you'd be vaping off the plant material and condensing it down into a more vaporizable form factor.

 

[Monk Debate]

No problem @KeroZen . We're all coming from different perspectives. I was thinking since the OP was looking at the Pax and Argo that mainstream vapes appealed to him more. I'm definitely light on my box mod and 510 vape knowledge (the 510 dry herb atomizers aren't convection IIRC and as such haven't been discussed) and am always interested in getting feedback on them as well as more boutique bespoke options. Sharing is good .

Almost all the 510 dry herb mods are convection, except for the Divine Tribe v2 IIRC. I think the reason that most of the 510 vapes haven’t been mentioned is that they aren’t very discreet, except the Impcognito. A few people have mentioned using a 510 vape with a side by side mod.

 

[CANtalk]

Almost all the 510 dry herb mods are convection, except for the Divine Tribe v2 IIRC. I think the reason that most of the 510 vapes haven’t been mentioned is that they aren’t very discreet, except the Impcognito. A few people have mentioned using a 510 vape with a side by side mod.

Sorry, mixed that up accidentally. I look to the forum here for detailed 510 feedback, great info.

 

[BabyFacedFinster]

You can just do small dabs, I call them pinheads.

Yes, this is exactly what I prefer. I have owned a Sai and still own a DD V4. My issue is the ease of loading, the bulk of the mod and unit, and the amount needed to run effectively. For one, trying to get my pinhead down into the depths of a donut or coil or quartz cup is a pain in the damn ass. Plus IMHO a pinhead amount doesn't do well in a big cup. I either don't get a decent hit or you get quick burning of the rosin oil.

I mention the Terp Pen because the coils are an "outty" while most everything else is an "inny". This makes it so much easier and effecient at getting most of your dab off the dabber and on the coil. Also, you need so little to get a big hit. In this way, my pen gives me both discretion and ease of use.

What convection options are there that are as discreet and as easy to load in small amounts?

 

[eatdinnergotosleep]

well after one dosing cap i'm feeling pretty happy with my purchase. i was surprised how little it took to fill the cap and it was definitely more than enough to make me really enjoy this song i just stumbled upon quite a lot

 

[CANtalk]

Wouldn't daily concentrate use level up my tolerance though?

I doubt it. Remember THC never actually gets stronger in a concentrate. Since it's based on weight, those numbers only go up due to the removal of plant material. You can just do small dabs, I call them pinheads.

Great discussion. I see merit in both these views, which sounds strange so let me explain. invertedisdead is right on noting that it's simply a dose adjustment to microdose dabs, just like microdosing flower. OTOH, I see how vaping concentrates consistently can increase tolerance as bossman mentions simply because I'm not totally analytical in judging and estimating my flower and concentrate loads . YMMV.

For me when microdosing I'm happy with an eyeball of +- 10% or so load estimate for flower when I'm loading the vape chamber... fwiw I'm lazy and not going to sit there and hyper-analyze/measure/weigh the load amount. And I do the same thing with concentrates, however concentrates have 3-4X more concentration of active ingredients (e.g., THC)... and that means a +10% difference can actually much more significantly increase the dose with an efficient dab rig/vape. I don't do concentrates enough that it affects my tolerance (in my experience), but I've had some especially impressive clouds in the odd dab session from time to time (demonstrating some significantly higher doses) . As always, YMMV.

In my experience I find relatively small changes in vaping the amount concentrates can much more significantly affect doses. I'd recommend everyone doing concentrates daily (or near daily) take more careful measurements of concentrates than I do when estimating microdose amounts . Potent stuff . To those who weigh and measure carefully, I salute you . It certainly can be done .

Cheers

 

[sickmanfraud]

I am late to the party but I suggest that the Lil Bud by Vapwood.com is worthy of consideration. @Bravesst makes some beautiful vapes and they have no glass which is a nice feature in an outside vape.

Also while I don't find most 510 vape settups discreet with the exception of the Imp, the iHeat from toasty-top vapes @Alan is thinner than most 18mm 510 vapes contains no glass and can fit some side by side mods.