Evlesoa
Richard
http://www.northwestglasspipes.com/digital-vaporizer.html
Question. What heating method does this thing use, and is it worth the 50 bucks?
Question. What heating method does this thing use, and is it worth the 50 bucks?
Digital Vaporizer?
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The_Algebraist
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Only if you're interested in a "top notch" Chinese made chock full of misc chemicals/materials you don't want anywhere near your body type of vaporizer. If so I would buy one ASAP before they sell out.Evlesoa said:
Evlesoa
Richard
Vapor Genie? Of course I can afford that. I was going to just save up some $$ and buy something decent for 200 bucks. I was told by someone that it's not considered as real vaporization, more like "almost-vaporization" because it's really easy to burn up.
Here's a question. What's the CLEANEST type of vaporizer I could get? I assume anything portable is pretty useless, as it doesn't deliver the hit so well? or what's the prob? seems the ones that are portable suck...
Here's a question. What's the CLEANEST type of vaporizer I could get? I assume anything portable is pretty useless, as it doesn't deliver the hit so well? or what's the prob? seems the ones that are portable suck...
lwien
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Whoever told you that has no idea what they're talking about. Sure, you can burn your weed with a VG, but you also can burn your weed with any whip-based vape. I guess using their logic, the SSV (Silver Surfer), which is considered the best whip based vape on the market is not a real vaporizer.Evlesoa said:
There is a learning curve with the VG, but if you read thru the VG thread, you will get all the tips necessary to NOT burn your weed.
Cleanest? Not sure what you mean by that. Your assumption that anything protable is pretty useless and doesn't deliver a hit so well is also totally false. A VaporGenie can deliver a bong like lung ripping hit that is PURE vapor without burning your weed.Evlesoa said:
I think the best thing that you can do is to purge your brain of EVERYTHING that you have heard about vapes, and then spend a week or two reading the various threads here on vapes.
Evlesoa
Richard
Well, by pure I mean more thc and less other shit that smoke has. Cuz i've been gettin' high off of my friend's idiotic idea. "Fill the room with so much smoke that you'll be high 24/7 for 3 weeks straight"
So umm, if SSV doesn't vaporize, then what the hell DOES it do? I've never really done vaporizers, but definitely want to switch to something cleaner, is what i'm saying. Apparently QUALITY of vapor isn't looked at very much.
Also thanks for clearing up that portable isn't useless. It was just something I've read from reviews.
So umm, if SSV doesn't vaporize, then what the hell DOES it do? I've never really done vaporizers, but definitely want to switch to something cleaner, is what i'm saying. Apparently QUALITY of vapor isn't looked at very much.
Also thanks for clearing up that portable isn't useless. It was just something I've read from reviews.
stickstones
Vapor concierge
Have you read this yet?
http://www.fuckcombustion.com/viewtopic.php?id=530
I'm moving this thread to the 'ask the vaporists section' since it is really about which vape you should buy.
http://www.fuckcombustion.com/viewtopic.php?id=530
I'm moving this thread to the 'ask the vaporists section' since it is really about which vape you should buy.
stickstones
Vapor concierge
You would be well served to go beyond just a price point and answer the questions in that link to determine what is important to you as far as features. If you can come back here and describe what is important to you in a vape and a price limit, I think you will get great help here.
Evlesoa
Richard
Well, it seems Extreme is the best one, i mean, the best rounded one.
Like I said, i'm just looking for the best quality, and cleanest vapors, with decent efficiency. So I'm not sure what I can do, other than just get what you posted. The ones you had experience with in that other post seems what I'm going to have to look at.
I do appreciate the help. Note, that I say cleanest because I don't think every type of vaporizer acts the same. Here's an article from wikipedia.
Like I said, i'm just looking for the best quality, and cleanest vapors, with decent efficiency. So I'm not sure what I can do, other than just get what you posted. The ones you had experience with in that other post seems what I'm going to have to look at.
I do appreciate the help. Note, that I say cleanest because I don't think every type of vaporizer acts the same. Here's an article from wikipedia.
max
Out to lunch
Yeah Evlesoa, you need to get up to speed a little on vaporizers before you buy something that may not suit you. At least the $50 box vape you linked is convection, not conduction. I jumped too quick on my first vape buy and bought a crappy dome vape (looks a gumball machine). Convection works by drawing heated air through the herb instead of just cooking it on a hot metal surface (conduction).
The digital box you linked may work fine, but it's another generic made in China box with unknown materials (be suspicious of anything made in China these days-toxins galore) and you'll get no warranty unless the seller gives you one (likely to be 30-90 days at most). And digital, especially with cheap vapes, is a breakdown waiting to happen.
$120 will get you a nice box vape with a 5 yr. warranty-the Vaporwarez Vaporcannon ($140 for a hands free connection). No digital though. That's why they give you the long warranty.
The SSV is maybe the best analog whip vape, but it'll run you $250, maybe a little less on eBay. The same co. makes the Da Buddha (DBV)-same guts, different body. Hands free too. You'll need about $160-170 for that one.
There are some good portables, but there's a pretty big price jump from the Genie to electric models. The Genie does have a bit of a learning curve, since you have to control temp with your draw and how long you apply flame. But once you get the hang of it you can get some good vapor hits and it won't break down on you. It's basically a pipe with a ceramic filter to distribute the heat to your herb.
Look around at the recommended vapes here and see what fits your needs. You can find most of 'em on youtube if you want to see them in action.
The Extreme will give you bag fill or whip use, but most of us 'vaporists' end up going for direct draw rather than bagging it. And it's not the best in the whip catagory, although packing the elbow screen instead of the bowl gives bigger hits. And there have been quite a few problems with this model. Again, digital greatly adds to potential problems. You do have a 2 yr. warranty though. Seems a bit out of your $130 price range though.
The digital box you linked may work fine, but it's another generic made in China box with unknown materials (be suspicious of anything made in China these days-toxins galore) and you'll get no warranty unless the seller gives you one (likely to be 30-90 days at most). And digital, especially with cheap vapes, is a breakdown waiting to happen.
$120 will get you a nice box vape with a 5 yr. warranty-the Vaporwarez Vaporcannon ($140 for a hands free connection). No digital though. That's why they give you the long warranty.
The SSV is maybe the best analog whip vape, but it'll run you $250, maybe a little less on eBay. The same co. makes the Da Buddha (DBV)-same guts, different body. Hands free too. You'll need about $160-170 for that one.
There are some good portables, but there's a pretty big price jump from the Genie to electric models. The Genie does have a bit of a learning curve, since you have to control temp with your draw and how long you apply flame. But once you get the hang of it you can get some good vapor hits and it won't break down on you. It's basically a pipe with a ceramic filter to distribute the heat to your herb.
Look around at the recommended vapes here and see what fits your needs. You can find most of 'em on youtube if you want to see them in action.
The Extreme will give you bag fill or whip use, but most of us 'vaporists' end up going for direct draw rather than bagging it. And it's not the best in the whip catagory, although packing the elbow screen instead of the bowl gives bigger hits. And there have been quite a few problems with this model. Again, digital greatly adds to potential problems. You do have a 2 yr. warranty though. Seems a bit out of your $130 price range though.
max
Out to lunch
The vast majority of vaporizers are convection. The ones with glass domes -http://www.vaporizergiant.com/glassdome-vaporizer.html are conduction. It's an outdated, inefficient design, but uninformed people still buy 'em. This type is also called a 'hot plate vape'. Like with cooking a burger in a pan, only the side of the herb that contacts the hot metal gets vaporized. All the vapes you'll see discussed here at any length are convection types. A youtube vid you may find helpful is 'vaporizers 101'.
Vaporization is a simple process. Apply the right temp and THC and cannabinoids vaporize. The hard part is getting the vapor to the user with as little loss as possible. You can lose vapor with too much heat applied too fast, and there's always some loss to condensation, as the vapor settles on cooler surfaces. Vapes with glass wands and tubing, or bags, get condensed vapor on the glass and plastic. Some of it can be reclaimed, especially from glass. Vapes like the Purple-Days and VaporGenie lose very little vapor to condensation because it's a short, straight path from the bowl to your mouth.
Vaporization is a simple process. Apply the right temp and THC and cannabinoids vaporize. The hard part is getting the vapor to the user with as little loss as possible. You can lose vapor with too much heat applied too fast, and there's always some loss to condensation, as the vapor settles on cooler surfaces. Vapes with glass wands and tubing, or bags, get condensed vapor on the glass and plastic. Some of it can be reclaimed, especially from glass. Vapes like the Purple-Days and VaporGenie lose very little vapor to condensation because it's a short, straight path from the bowl to your mouth.
The_Algebraist
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There you go. Check out the SSV and the PD on youtube. See them in action. Read up on em. Both are frigging awesome. The Volcano is also awesome if you feel like you need to spend $400 for a used, or over $500 for a new classic.Evlesoa said:ah i see, thanks for the info, i'll have to get something kick ass then by saving up a little
lwien
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IMHO, a bag vape makes a better party vape than a whip based or direct draw vape. Once the bag is filled, user error is virtually non-existent.Evlesoa said:
But is the 'Cano better than other bag vapes out there? Some say yes, some say no. It is, however, a VERY GOOD vape.
TeddyJackEddy
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Better than? Not sure I would say that. In my limited experience these vapes are very different. Have used the 'Cano in a group setting numerous times and it is great. But for my home vape, I needed something for one person. Not sure the 'Cano would be the best choice, IMO.Evlesoa said:
I own the DBV and it is a great vape, for one person or a group. Ended up getting the PD since most of the time it's just me vaping and it is just perfect, at least for me.
Keep looking around this site. There is so much great info here from people who know a whole lot more than me. But, I'm learnin' or at least trying.
illadelph
vaked fresh daily
i personally like the exactness and ease of using my digital E. seems like there is less of a learning curve and a large variety of ways to vape with it. having the option to bag at any time is good especially in large group situations. that and there are very little amounts of efficient bag vape designs. it pretty much comes down to preference when all is said and done. i just know that with the extreme, you can reach all different types and levels of vaporization
max
Out to lunch
Evlesoa, the Volcano was the first 'high tech', high quality vaporizer. But if anything, the herbalAire's design makes it more efficient, and that one or the Extreme can fill a bag with vapor just as well. To a degree, the Volcano is still riding the hype of its past domination. It's certainly a well engineered and well supported vape. It'll last for many years and the resale value is very good. But you don't need to pay $500+ these days to get excellent quality and reliability, either for direct draw or bag fill. And since you've shown interest in digital, you should note that the new Volcano model, the Digit, has only 2 yrs. warrantly, vs. 3 for the Classic. So even big ole Storz & Bickel doesn't have as much faith in digital reliability.
You learned enough to make two excellent vape buys.TeddyJackEddy said:
The volcano is a grate vaporizer, built solid it will last forever, with that said the volcano is described in the volcano brochures as a "Hot Air Generator",
i think that says a lot ...
the volcano has a lot of hype to its name, it has very nice ergonomics and you can see that the end user was in mind when it was designed but so are some of the other quality vaps.
for the price of one cano you can get 2-3 other brand name quality vaporizers, it is probably the best bag vap in terms of ease of use, but other then that you could easily find other bag vaps that give you more options (Extreme) or better efficiency (HerbalAire), in fact for the price of a cano you could buy both ...
First i would offer you to think about what you would like in a vap and why ...
after that if you decide to go with a bag vap you can go with:
volcano: if you got 500$ and a good reason for it ...
Extreme: if you want a grate vap for a good price.
if you decide to go with a whip vap you can go with:
SSV: widely considered the best whip based vaporizer on the market.
DBV: the SSV's little brother, same idea, slightly different design.
also i would recommend you check out the PurpleDays before you decide what you want.
After you give us more information about what you want out of your vap we could help you better.
i think that says a lot ...
the volcano has a lot of hype to its name, it has very nice ergonomics and you can see that the end user was in mind when it was designed but so are some of the other quality vaps.
for the price of one cano you can get 2-3 other brand name quality vaporizers, it is probably the best bag vap in terms of ease of use, but other then that you could easily find other bag vaps that give you more options (Extreme) or better efficiency (HerbalAire), in fact for the price of a cano you could buy both ...
First i would offer you to think about what you would like in a vap and why ...
after that if you decide to go with a bag vap you can go with:
volcano: if you got 500$ and a good reason for it ...
Extreme: if you want a grate vap for a good price.
if you decide to go with a whip vap you can go with:
SSV: widely considered the best whip based vaporizer on the market.
DBV: the SSV's little brother, same idea, slightly different design.
also i would recommend you check out the PurpleDays before you decide what you want.
After you give us more information about what you want out of your vap we could help you better.
The_Algebraist
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Dude:
http://www.fuckcombustion.com/viewtopic.php?id=530
http://www.fuckcombustion.com/viewtopic.php?id=509
and do some thorough research/reading on the vapes you have your eye on. It really sounds like you need to spend some time getting up to speed on vaporizers and how they work.
http://www.fuckcombustion.com/viewtopic.php?id=530
http://www.fuckcombustion.com/viewtopic.php?id=509
and do some thorough research/reading on the vapes you have your eye on. It really sounds like you need to spend some time getting up to speed on vaporizers and how they work.
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