Deciding between LSV and E-Nano, could use some thouhgts

[Delerrar]

Hey FC!



As the title suggests I'm trying to decide between picking up a Life Saber or an E-nano. Both sound like great vapes so you might be able to understand why I'm having such a hard time deciding between the two. So I guess I'll go through what I like about both and then see what you guys have to say as per their performance compared to each.

Just some background as per my vaping experience. I got into vapes a few years back when I didn't have much spare cash lying around. Didn't do any research and just picked up a BC Vaporizer. Basically just a heating element with a glass jar on top, it's served me well but I think it's time to up myself to a proper vape. I also have a flight box for my portable needs.

So here we go. I settled on the LSV sometime last week after extensive reviews and research, read through most of the review thread here and everything. It just seems like my thing because I can use it anyway I want. Can throw it on a Water Pipe, direct draw, or whip. It's just really versatile and the number of accessories it has just blows me away. My only concerns are with efficiency and temp control. I kind of wish that the 7th floor products would come with a clicker dial or something that corresponded to a certain temperature just because I'd love to be able to be accurate as far as temp is concerned.

Now these aren't really problems that were going to affect my decision to purchase just because it was everything I really wanted. Then I stumbled across the E-Nano. Which seems like the LSV's little brother.

Here we've got a compact machine that you can basically run 24/7, that also apparently rocks with very tiny amounts. You can use it with a Water Pipe and it just seems like it'd be really easy to transport as well, much like the LSV as it comes with a case. The only downside that I can see is that it has less in terms of accessories and I can't really tell from their site what I need to buy to make it work with a water pipe. Add to that the numbered temp dials with corresponding temps and it ends up tied as far as I'm concerned between the two.

Well, mostly.

Now I suppose we get to my main questions that will decide my purchase (took me long enough, right?). Is there any way to measure the temps my herb will be at in the LSV so that I can add markings on my dial, like the E-nano, to gain a similar kind of accuracy? Can the LSV be as efficient as the nano with the same amounts? I'm hesitant to pick up the nano only because it seems like it would be difficult, or a PIA, to use with more than one or two people because of the size of the chamber. Is that true or am I just plain wrong? I'm guessing they can both be used with wax as well?

Thanks for taking the time out to read this and respond! So far FC has been a great help on my journey.

 

[clouded vision]

Go with the e-nano. I haven't tried one personally but I have owned a LSV, underdog and 2 heat islands. Logs may seem like a little brother to the LSV but that's really only size, performance, I think a log with a vvps or the nano with its built in temp control has a slight edge. When I personally compared a log to my LSV, every category I cared about, the log had a slight advantage. The only places where the LSV were better was load size (I'll gladly pack a second stem though so it tastes better) and the LSV does edge out a log for the first hit taste, but only slightly.
The LSV is bigger, more awkward to use, replacement glass parts are more expensive, logs produce vapor slightly quicker because the load is closer to the heater, they are more efficient because they don't encourage you to pack a full gram the way the LSV does with its large bowl.
Honestly you have narrowed it down to the only 2 (counting all logs as essentially the same once you add a vvps to the UD or HI) I consider for a plug in vape to use with a water piece semi regularly in that price range. Chances are you will be more than happy with either but if I were choosing I would pick the nano.

 

[ryan8]

I was in your shoes only about a month ago, and now that I have both the LSV and e-nano, I thought my experiences may be relevant.

I wouldn't worry about the dial too much/ at all on the LSV, because you'll quickly figure out a clock position to remember your settings by (i.e. I like to set it around the 2 o clock position). The numbers don't really mean anything on the e-nano anyway - each unit is going to vary a bit, and it really only takes a session or two to figure out the optimal temperature. I think you can keep your LSV on as well (apparently 7th floor has been keeping a heating element plugged in in their office for 2+ years), but I vape around once or twice a day so I just turn it on as needed. Heatup time for both is about the same, but I find that they work better if you give them longer than the advertised 2 minute heatup time.

You can pack a smaller bowl size with the LSV - just use a 18mm male to male adapter and an arizer dome screen or an ELB. This also positions the load closer to the heating element for efficiency.

I love how unrestricted the draw is on the LSV; it's basically wide open. E-nano is slightly restricted, but not something most people will care/be sensitive to.

The only downside to the LSV in my opinion is its clunkiness. It's huge, basically the size of two solos stacked on top of each other. Although I prefer the draw on the LSV, I find myself reaching for the nano because it's much more comfortable to hold and use. It's also less conspicuous - I am hosting relatives right now, and although I have my LSV hidden away, I keep the nano out in the open, still plugged in.

I find that performance wise, they're both roughly the same and can efficiently vape smaller loads if you use the dome screen mod. I'd say LSV has the edge here because of the wide open draw. However, in terms of practicality and everyday usage, the nano is much easier to handle and an overall more refined experience. A good analogy would probably be this: the LSV is like downing a shot, but the nano is like drinking a glass of wine. Both are equally capable of getting you medicated, but the vaping experience itself is quite different.

By the way, this is all based on the assumption that you're vaping through water. The LSV stem is hilariously long (the whole lsv + stem assembly has got to be about a foot in length), so it can be a bit awkward to use. I never really tried the nano dry, since the stem that arrived with it was too tight to fit on the nano (Andy is sending out a replacement).

 

[Delta3DStudios]

I'm shopping for a plugin vape to purchase this summer, and have really been leaning towards the Nano because of the feedback on this site, but I haven't made up my mind yet (or I'd probably have already purchased one!)

 

[EveryDayAmnesiac]

Another aspect you might want to consider is that the E-Nano is made by an FC member, with whom you can maintain contact and talk to directly. That is something which is important to me when it comes to my home unit that I use more than the rest.

And it's always nice to support a one-person business when you can, IMO.

 

[ryan8]

I think there are pros and cons to buying from a one man business. Going by my own experience and the experiences shared by others in the nano thread, Andy will take care of you and make things right, but you sometimes have to wait a while. So while Andy might take longer than, say, 7th floor to reply, he'll care more about making things right than whoever happens to be doing customer service at 7th floor. That said, both the LSV and nano are elegantly simple designs - there aren't many things to break and they both have good reliability records.

 

[Delerrar]

Hmmm, sounding like the nano is the way to go so far.

@ryan8 I did not realize the LSV was so large, it looks medium sized. I'm with you on the less conspicious part, though. Out of curiosity, as I haven't seen anything on their site, is there a whip attacment for it? I'm not really too miffed if there isn't but it'd be a nice thing to have.

Thanks for bringing up the unweildieness (sp?) of the LSV. That honestly might be the thing that seals the deal unless somone comes in with something the LSV does that the Nano doesn't.

Still a little hesitant only because of the bowl size, but I'm sure there are work arounds for that. Any truth to the rumblings I've hear about a nano v2 with detachable power cable?

 

[ryan8]

There isn't a whip attachment, but (/because) (there is, see a couple posts below) 7th floor also uses the same heating element in their SSV and DBV, and those are designed around whip use. The nano won't do whips either, although its bigger brother the EV2 will. If you want to mainly use a whip then their the LSV nor the nano would be the ideal choice.

I'm too lazy to grab my LSV, but the LSV is about the same circumference roughly as the nano, but I'd say about 2.5x longer. It's also much heftier. I'd say that the LSV has the better potential to be a big hitter than the nano, since it is designed to vaporize a larger bowl size. That said, the nano's are all adjust-a-bowl now (you push a sliding metal screen up and down the stem/adapter depending on how much you want to use, so you can increase your load size as well to a certain extent, but it really isn't that bad to just reload.

I think nanos are all v2 now, although Andy has said it's not really a v2, since he only really changed the cord. I'm not sure if a detachable cord is an important improvement, but that does remind me that the nano's power cord is also much more pliable and manageable than the LSV one.

 

[Delerrar]

Thanks ryan8! Really helpful information from someone who has them both. Hope to hear from some more people but it sounds like the Nano is the way to go right now.

We'll see if anyone manages to change my mind though. Thanks

 

[lwien]

There isn't a whip attachment, but (/because) 7th floor also uses the same heating element in their SSV and DBV, and those are designed around whip use. The nano won't do whips either, although its bigger brother the EV2 will.

http://lifesabervaporizer.com/access/lsv-whip-transfer-kit.html

I've never had a Nano but I have had a Purple Days which is also a log vape and it was my daily driver for over 4 years. Since I got my LSV, the PD hasn't been getting any attention at all. In comparison, the LSV is a beast and since having it, I really don't desire another vape.

 

[SSVUN~YAH]

I have both but @ryan8 @clouded vision & @EveryDayAmnesiac summed it all up nicely! Can't go wrong with either IMO!

 

[ryan8]

http://lifesabervaporizer.com/access/lsv-whip-transfer-kit.html

I've never had a Nano but I have had a Purple Days which is also a log vape and it was my daily driver for over 4 years. Since I got my LSV, the PD hasn't been getting any attention at all. In comparison, the LSV is a beast and since having it, I really don't desire another vape.

Oops, thanks for pointing it out. I actually have seen it before, not sure why I brainfarted.

 

[Delerrar]

@lwien what is your take vis a vis it's size? Is it as unweildy as suggested? How does it work with small ammounts? Thanks for the reply and pointing out there is a whip for the LSV!

@SSVUN~YAH do you have prefer one over the other? If so why would you say you prefer it? Thanks for taking the time out to reply!

 

[SSVUN~YAH]

@SSVUN~YAH do you have prefer one over the other? If so why would you say you prefer it? Thanks for taking the time out to reply!

Your very welcome! I use my enano more when I'm by myself or just a few friends are over. However, if a party breaks out my nano struggles to keep up as opposed to the LSV which accomadates a larger session, easier IMO...

 

[Delerrar]

Your very welcome! I use my enano more when I'm by myself or just a few friends are over. However, if a party breaks out my nano struggles to keep up as opposed to the LSV which accomadates a larger session, easier IMO...

Out of curiosity how would you say the LSV holds up when using small amounts? Similar performance between the two?

 

[Mrmrmrmr]

I was in your shoes only about a month ago, and now that I have both the LSV and e-nano, I thought my experiences may be relevant.

I wouldn't worry about the dial too much/ at all on the LSV, because you'll quickly figure out a clock position to remember your settings by (i.e. I like to set it around the 2 o clock position). The numbers don't really mean anything on the e-nano anyway - each unit is going to vary a bit, and it really only takes a session or two to figure out the optimal temperature. I think you can keep your LSV on as well (apparently 7th floor has been keeping a heating element plugged in in their office for 2+ years), but I vape around once or twice a day so I just turn it on as needed. Heatup time for both is about the same, but I find that they work better if you give them longer than the advertised 2 minute heatup time.

You can pack a smaller bowl size with the LSV - just use a 18mm male to male adapter and an arizer dome screen or an ELB. This also positions the load closer to the heating element for efficiency.

I love how unrestricted the draw is on the LSV; it's basically wide open. E-nano is slightly restricted, but not something most people will care/be sensitive to.

The only downside to the LSV in my opinion is its clunkiness. It's huge, basically the size of two solos stacked on top of each other. Although I prefer the draw on the LSV, I find myself reaching for the nano because it's much more comfortable to hold and use. It's also less conspicuous - I am hosting relatives right now, and although I have my LSV hidden away, I keep the nano out in the open, still plugged in.

I find that performance wise, they're both roughly the same and can efficiently vape smaller loads if you use the dome screen mod. I'd say LSV has the edge here because of the wide open draw. However, in terms of practicality and everyday usage, the nano is much easier to handle and an overall more refined experience. A good analogy would probably be this: the LSV is like downing a shot, but the nano is like drinking a glass of wine. Both are equally capable of getting you medicated, but the vaping experience itself is quite different.

By the way, this is all based on the assumption that you're vaping through water. The LSV stem is hilariously long (the whole lsv + stem assembly has got to be about a foot in length), so it can be a bit awkward to use. I never really tried the nano dry, since the stem that arrived with it was too tight to fit on the nano (Andy is sending out a replacement).

I'd like to discuss what you say about both vapesefficiency. I have had both as well and I can tell you right now the LSV will not get you the clouds enano can with .06. I have owned more than one vaporizer and nothing comes close to the efficiency of it. Don't want anyone to be misinformed

 

[lwien]

@lwien what is your take vis a vis it's size? Is it as unweildy as suggested? How does it work with small ammounts?

For me, the size is not a problem. In regards to using small amounts, being that I am the "small amount king" around these parts , I may be uniquely qualified to answer this.

With my Purple Days, I was able to get 5 hits from a mere 0.025gr, which set me up nicely for a few hours before I went to bed. I vaped ever single night and my usage with the PD allowed me to stretch a gram to over a month.......about 40 days to be exact, while at the same time, helping to keep my tolerance in check.

With my LSV, my usage has increased a bit to a gram lasting me 30 days.

Hope that helps to answer your question. With the LSV, I can get HUGE hits using small amounts.

 

[Mr. Gweilo 420]

They both seem like excellent products. I can only speak for the E-nano personally. I think it is just a wonderful device and can not speak highly enough of it. For anyone in two minds about an e-nano, yes you should get one ASAP

 

[ryan8]

I'd like to discuss what you say about both vapesefficiency. I have had both as well and I can tell you right now the LSV will not get you the clouds enano can with .06. I have owned more than one vaporizer and nothing comes close to the efficiency of it. Don't want anyone to be misinformed

Have you tried it with the gong adapters and basket screens? The bowl size is considerably smaller and closer to the element, and I seem to be similarly affected with similar amounts of flowers. I'm sure you could be right though since this is just based on my experience, which is more limited than yours, and I just eyeball amounts anyway.

I will say it is easier on the LSV to get wispy hits if I don't get the temperature and draw rate right. With the nano it's pretty foolproof since it's heating a much smaller volume of air, and I get consistently thick clouds with it.

 

[clouded vision]

I think there are pros and cons to buying from a one man business. Going by my own experience and the experiences shared by others in the nano thread, Andy will take care of you and make things right, but you sometimes have to wait a while. So while Andy might take longer than, say, 7th floor to reply, he'll care more about making things right than whoever happens to be doing customer service at 7th floor. That said, both the LSV and nano are elegantly simple designs - there aren't many things to break and they both have good reliability records.

Let me tell you about 7th floors customer service. I have placed 2 separate small orders with them and both times a small item was missing. First was a bogo deal with their glass picks so I added a couple but only received one. The second time I bought an oil dish for my ssv and some melts for it and they forgot the melts. Now I understand shit happens and small items occasionally get left out of packages but both times I emailed them twice and to this day I have not recorded l recieved a reply, and yes I checked my spam folder. Each time it was just a small item so I didn't make a fuss but I will no longer use any 7th floor products even though I fully admit they do make some of the best vapes on the market.

 

[Caligula]

I don't own an LSV, but...


Nano.

 

[Delerrar]

I want to just say thank you to everyone who took the time out to respond to me! @lwien thanks for the information on the LSV. @ryan8 & @SSVUN~YAH for the comparisons of the LSV and E-Nano. It seems that I can't go wrong with either choice which means I still have some thinking to do.

I'm still not sure which one to get. So I guess it's time to bust out the old pen and legal paper for a pros and cons list. Failing that I may just have to flip a coin .

Once again thank you all for taking the time to respond!

 

[as]

Just to tempt you this is how the nano performs

 

[Delta3DStudios]

Just to tempt you this is how the nano performs

Yep, I'm definitely buying the Nano, as soon as I see an exotic wood version I like, I'm buying it!

 

[Delerrar]

@as thanks for the video! It does seem to perform exceptionally well.

As a an update my pros and cons list has done diddly to help in my decision. I think this is the most trouble I've ever had deciding on something. So I have decided to let the Fates decide! This has been accomplished by joining the massdrop for the LSV, should it go through (which doesn't seem likely) I will pick it up. If not then I will definitley be going with the nano.

Sometimes the randomness of life makes the best decisions!

@Ratchett glad this thread managed to help you make a decision! would love to hear what you think when it comes through!