CRZ + Bubbler or dedicated vaporizer?

[johnny_jungle]

Hi guys.

I've been using my CRZ (Ceramic Rockzap) for a long time now and I still think it's a great vaporizer, but I'm looking for something new. Specifically, I would like to reduce the temperature of the inhalant, and I'm also interested in a vaporizer that is more of a "heavy hitter". The CRZ is very efficient and good for long-term use, but sometimes I'd just like a fast delivery.

So I've been looking around and thinking. So far I've seen the Herborizer family, De Verdamper, the amazingly "ER-looking" AroMed and the ROOR Vapor. I'm not sure how they compare though. I've heard even the basic Herborizer Sphere is supposed to be pretty awesome? I'm somewhat worried that the herb is scorched too much given that it remains in close proximity to the heating element during the whole session. With my CRZ, I always remove the stem from the log after each hit. Is it ever a problem that the herb becomes scorched or that it deteriorates during a session because of close proximity to the heating element?

And I've also seen that some people combine their existing log-type vaporizers with a bong/bubbler but I haven't been able to find a more thorough description or example on how to do this. I don't even have a bong or bubbler so I have no idea what to look for. Maybe someone knows a resource on combining the CRZ or other log vape with a bubbler?

Well, here's a list of my requirements towards a new vape in case the CRZ+Bubbler idea isn't appealing:

• High priority: strong cooling effect
  
• High priority: "Heavy hitting"
• High priority: Should produce clean vapor - no scorching, no un-even extraction
  
• Medium priority: Not too bulky, should be easy to handle. Cables/pipes etc. should not be in the way.
• Medium priority: Fast heat-up (max. 20min)
  
• Low priority: Price

Thanks for any advice.

 

[stickstones]

I would think you should consider the Evo. It nails your high priority items; actually, it was made for them. And it hits your other points as well.

 

[johnny_jungle]

Wow, that looks sweet. Super expensive though. I'll definitely consider it, thank you.

 

[olivianewtonjohn]

I wonder if enano would be a good option for you as well (alot less $ and many would say its similar to cloud evo)? Ill let someone more experienced with log vapes chime in.

 

[johnny_jungle]

But the e-nano is a regular log vape. No cooling, right? I already have a Ceramic RockZap log vape.

 

[olivianewtonjohn]

But the e-nano is a regular log vape. No cooling, right? I already have a Ceramic RockZap log vape.

Enano pairs very well with water. Its has been called a poor mans evo (and some people even prefer it to the evo). Hopefully someone who owns both could jump in.

It can put out huge clouds like the evo as well:

 

[KidFated.]

You can pair the crz with water just as easily as an Enano? I don't get why he'd need a new log just to our it with water.. Underdog nylon stems will allow you to pair with any 14 or 18mm female joint on the water tool of your choice.

 

[johnny_jungle]

Underdog nylon stems will allow you to pair with any 14 or 18mm female joint on the water tool of your choice.

These stems look very similar to the ones on my CRZ. But this means that I have to flip the CRZ upside down, which I don't think is ideal (convection would force hot air the wrong way and I'd have to remove it after each draw). Is there some sort of flexible or glass pipe I could use to connect the CRZ to a bubbler? It should probably have a bowl/screen attached so that it can be used instead of the CRZ stem, and not on top of it - that would be awkward...

 

[z9]

These stems look very similar to the ones on my CRZ. But this means that I have to flip the CRZ upside down, which I don't think is ideal (convection would force hot air the wrong way and I'd have to remove it after each draw). Is there some sort of flexible or glass pipe I could use to connect the CRZ to a bubbler? It should probably have a bowl/screen attached so that it can be used instead of the CRZ stem, and not on top of it - that would be awkward...

Flipping your CRZ upside down is perfectly fine, people have been doing it for years. I guess I don't understand your train of thought. How would convection force hot air the wrong way? The only time air will be moving at any significant amount of speed is when you're drawing.

You'll want to remove it from the stem/gong after each hit to clear the bubbler anyways, its as simple as lifting the vape up. A whip is overly cumbersome and completely unnecessary when pairing such a vape with water.

I prefer NOT to use my logs right-side-up as this allows plant material to fall inside the heater core, when using direct draw I always hold my stems in my mouth with the bowl piece pointed upwards to prevent any debris from making its way into my vape. In fact, this is exactly why I don't use hydratube style glass with my logs, I find they're better suited to the traditional bubbler/bong setup.

The links below are manufacturers that offer stems and gongs that will work with your CRZ, they're all active members on the forum as well.
http://underdogvapes.com/
http://www.toasty-top.com/
http://www.edstnt.com/



I recommend keeping the CRZ, getting some new stems and gongs and buy a bubbler or bong to pair with it. If you want to take it a step further without dropping a lot of money, I recommend buying a LSV (along with a Water Pipe Adapter) to compliment the CRZ and to have for those quick, two-big-hit sessions through your water tool.

Here's the LSV thread - http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/7th-floor-life-saber-lsv.2641/page-220
And their website - http://lifesabervaporizer.com/

 

[EverythingsHazy]

Pair your log vape with a bubbler for a whole new experience. You can rip massive clouds with minimal irritation.

 

[Kief]

And I've also seen that some people combine their existing log-type vaporizers with a bong/bubbler but I haven't been able to find a more thorough description or example on how to do this. I don't even have a bong or bubbler so I have no idea what to look for. Maybe someone knows a resource on combining the CRZ or other log vape with a bubbler?

You-Tube is your friend... you can find videos of just about any vaporizer being used with a water-pipe or bubbler. Watch as many as it takes, they will answer some of your questions and help you think of a few more to ask us here.

Here's one I found with the CRZ:

 

[little maggie]

If you don't want to flip it upside down you can get the f-bomb or pinnacle water attachment. I'm not sure what the difference if between them but they go on top of the vape.

 

[johnny_jungle]

Very cool. Thanks guys, I'll probably go with the pairing as a first step. I can always empty my wallet for an EVO at some later point ;-)

 

[paytonpenn]

I love logs but I recommend looking at a Hammer as well, still recommend with water but they have some nice conveniences, like higher temps quicker heatup, better flavor.

 

[olivianewtonjohn]

Another thing you could do down the road is check and see if you can use a variable voltage control with your CRZ. Like the one in the video above

 

[little maggie]

I love logs but I recommend looking at a Hammer as well, still recommend with water but they have some nice conveniences, like higher temps quicker heatup, better flavor.

Are you saying logs taste better or the hammer? My hammer is going to be shipped to California soon as a donation. I don't care for the taste but more important it is a very poor choice for someone with carpal tunnel or some other problem like that. For whatever reason, the torch for the lily does not cause pain as the hammer does.
Love the video

 

[paytonpenn]

Are you saying logs taste better or the hammer? My hammer is going to be shipped to California soon as a donation. I don't care for the taste but more important it is a very poor choice for someone with carpal tunnel or some other problem like that. For whatever reason, the torch for the lily does not cause pain as the hammer does.
Love the video

The Hammer does taste better but my models have the prototype gaskets and airflow is just stainless steel and glass. I also have ensured my gasket is plugged so there is no airflow when I inhale and cover the exhaust end. Logs don't taste bad but my Hammers don't have essential oils, wood or beeswax around them.

The Hammer torch requires a lot of pressure to get started, I have a flame lock so it's not something I really notice too often anymore.

 

[little maggie]

The Hammer does taste better but my models have the prototype gaskets and airflow is just stainless steel and glass. I also have ensured my gasket is plugged so there is no airflow when I inhale and cover the exhaust end. Logs don't taste bad but my Hammers don't have essential oils, wood or beeswax around them.

The Hammer torch requires a lot of pressure to get started, I have a flame lock so it's not something I really notice too often anymore.

How did you get a flame lock? Are they standard on the pro? If so I missed it on mine.

 

[paytonpenn]

How did you get a flame lock? Are they standard on the pro? If so I missed it on mine.

Made one. If you had a Pro and the flavor wasn't pure I suggest unscrewing the head piece and taking out the black gasket. Place a silicone/rubber gasket on that end of the heat exchanger like the stem end. Place the black gasket back but over the stem gasket and screw the head back on and push the gasket back into a reasonable distance.

 

[Stu]

Here's an old video I found of me using the CRZ with a mobius ion reti bubbler. It works great.

 

[Magic9]

The CRZ was a great vape. But...the "newer" generation are much better suited for using with glass.

The CRZ was like drinking a milkshake. The UD is like drinking water through a big ass straw. If you stick with the CRZ, go for small glass. The newer gen logs can milk bigger pieces. I wasn't getting good results using glass with the CRZ, that's why I made the switch. I'm happy with the results.

If you are using 14mm glass, try one of these or these with this. If you're going for 18mm glass, try this. Should be 100% compatible with the CRZ. The regular CRZ stems will fit into the 14mm, but it's not quite air tight.

You could always just say "Fuck it", and get an LSV if you didn't want to drop Cloud money.

I've heard good things about this shop that sells both.