Crackdown on Legalized Marijuana

Baron23

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Except that is exactly what Sessions has been actively doing. :2c:

Sessions is who he is, and he is strong in his ill willed intention toward the cannabis community. Hell, the nut is out screaming about Nancy Reagan and her ill 'Just say no campaign'. I remember that it turned America into cocaine infested war zone, while cannabis users on a massive scale have been incarcerated only for loving a plant. Now, Sessions is raising Nancy from the dead.

'Just say no' to all Reagan zombies. Let the dead stay dead.
Absolutely, 100%, this^^

Yeah, Nancy and her just say no....wow. He really does think he's living in 1983. :bang:
 

CarolKing

Singer of songs and a vapor connoisseur
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The biggest change was the addition of Daren the Lion. Daren goes with Officer Yunker to all of his classes, D.A.R.E. meetings and school functions. These include school programs, track meets and class graduations. Daren is the mascot of D.A.R.E.

Remember DARE!
Or bring these types of programs back into our schools, including cannabis in their message. This reminds me of school police the parents - kids rat on your parents. Do you smell marijuana at your home?

That DARE program was a nightmare.
 
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Krazy

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If Sessions was not embroiled in scandal I think the crackdown would be on. A lot of his political capital evaporated
Yep.

Now look, mate. I may not be the most humor and fun filled jolly around, but there ain't a hint of humor in this quote of yours below which is what prompted my reply.
My kind of funny exactly, actually. :rofl:
"The Trump administration has not yet replaced the U.S. attorneys from the 94 different districts across the nation..."

That's what makes no sense about this administration. If you want to corrupt institutions, and you have a golden opportunity to stuff all of them with your stooges, why wouldn't you jump on that? It's just lazy, IMO.



I've overheard someone say in a shop they won't buy anything under 28%
And purposefully loud enough to be heard perhaps? If they only use concentrates then fine. But if they actually think all of that 30% THC bud they are buying is legit? :rolleyes:

There have been multiple studies done in the eu that concluded even a heroin addict can stay healthy and productive indefinitely, if their use and dosage is supervised by a physician.

Opiates ... There's physical consequences to using them which must be respected
Exactly. I'v gone on/off many times. Always eyes wide open and always managed. Yep, I'm one of "those" people, lol.

Feels like shit whether you taper or go cold. But I'v never had a problem keeping meds in the house and NOT using them.

I used to be part of an harm reduction online community. Most of us were managing quite well without a physicians supervision. It was a good hookup for Sub and Ibo as well. But we were all aware that we were varying types of outliers. Every now and then we would get a n00b self management simply wasn't an option for and try to steer them in a more helpful direction.

It is also important to differentiate between physical and psychological "addiction" in my opinion. For the VAST majority of people it takes a specific time frame and amount to generate physical addiction. Outliers with neurobiology that speed up the process drastically do exist.

Most of the people I know that got "addicted" in 1 go were cases of physiological addiction and had underlying and untreated problems. Most common being chronic depression and FM.
 
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MyCollie

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But we should not make patients pain free either; comfortable yes. I see doctors down in the Pain Clinic in Seattle writing up enough Dilaudid to take down a Buffalo. Not very scientific but I have seen them write larger doses and larger amounts to colored patients; while they give white patients less.

Definitely agree there. I may fall into the category of people who don't immediately fall in love with opiates to the point of becoming completely dependent or even very dependent so my experience is probably different. I've used Oxy at times and pretty much just taper off somewhat quickly and then that's it. Dilaudid was more of a "breakthrough" pain drug. Took it for a while and switched to a non-opioid and now I'm off that. Cannabis helped with sleep issues after my most recent surgery but I wouldn't describe what I experienced after returning home as intense pain.
 

howie105

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The state will never have a problem locking people up for any reason they see fit. The reason being is, prisons are part of the warehousing and police funding process that states depend on. However I suspect at some point we will get legalization with at least the same (likely more) levels of controls, restrictions and inflated costs that we already have with alcohol and tobacco. If/when the current national effort gets crushed I suspect that when it rises again it will be managed and directed for the advantage of larger commercial interests and then legalization will have a much easier time.
 

Baron23

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Jeff Sessions Realizes He Can’t Stop Pot Legalization—And He’s Mad, Bro

Attorney General Jeff Sessions is an angry man. He hates the idea of legalized marijuana and would prefer everyone in America suffered collective amnesia and forgot that medical cannabis is a thing for 85 percent of the country’s citizens.

But it appears he realizes that even with the DEA at his command, he can’t do anything about it—and oh, does this make him so mad.

A series of fits of pique, the impotent outbursts of a frustrated man, would be the best way to explain Sessions’s recent emissions on the subject of marijuana. On Wednesday, speaking to law enforcement officials in Richmond, Virginia, Sessions added to his pile of recent gems by contradicting what his own DEA said two years ago and insisting, without a shred of evidence, that marijuana and heroin are virtual equal evils.

Here’s Sessions’s full remarks, via the Washington Post:

“I reject the idea that America will be a better place if marijuana is sold in every corner store. And I am astonished to hear people suggest that we can solve our heroin crisis by legalizing marijuana — so people can trade one life-wrecking dependency for another that’s only slightly less awful. Our nation needs to say clearly once again that using drugs will destroy your life.”

As the Post pointed out, this contradicts what DEA Administrator Chuck Rosenberg said two years ago when he copped to the obvious and said cannabis is less harmful than heroin.

In a country where opiate overdoses kill 13,000 people a year and marijuana “overdoses” kill no one, Rosenberg’s is hardly a bold statement.

Yet Sessions has clung for dear life onto the antiquated notion, last taken seriously sometime in the Nixon administration by people who hadn’t left the house in decades, that cannabis is wholly harmful. A few weeks ago, Sessions posited that legalized marijuana is creating violence in the Midwest. That’s less crazy than what he said Wednesday, but only marginally.

What’s up with Jeff Sessions?

We have a theory. He’s acting out because he has realized he’s powerless to do anything about legalized marijuana and has reached the step where he is forced to admit it to himself. Because, within minutes of the above declaration, Sessions said that he won’t be able to use the Justice Department to shut down America’s burgeoning marijuana movement—and that the hands-off approach taken by Barack Obama’s Justice Department is “valid.”

As Tom Angell of Massroots first reported:

“The Cole Memorandum set up some policies under President Obama’s Department of Justice about how cases should be selected in those states and what would be appropriate for federal prosecution, much of which I think is valid,” Sessions said in a question-and-answer session with reporters on Wednesday following a speech in Richmond, Virginia.

Sessions added that he “may have some different ideas myself in addition to that” but indicated that the federal government would not be able to enforce its remaining marijuana prohibition laws across the board in states with legalization.

“Essentially we’re not able to go into a state and pick up the work that the police and sheriffs have been doing for decades,” he said.

He’s lost! He admitted to it. Richmond has fallen, General Lee has surrendered to Grant at Appomattox. The war is over… yet here’s Jeff, still in uniform, still barking orders, as if the first shots of Bull Run hadn’t been fired before we were all born.

At this stage, it’s worthwhile for everyone to take a step back and ask—why? Why does Sessions persist on this tired old line of thinking, which is scientifically unsound to start with, but also politically damaging?

Jeff Sessions could be taking a page from his boss’s book of artsy dealmaking, and using his bully pulpit to spout off about the things that irk him. Sessions may also be venting ahead of a string of meetings where people—police officers, even; important ones!—will be telling him things that he doesn’t want to hear.

Such as, legal marijuana hasn’t caused crime, has created tax revenue cops can share and is not in fact sold on every corner in any city in any place in America. On Thursday or Friday, Sessions is scheduled to have face-to-face time with Chicago police Chief Eddie Johnson and other big-city chiefs of police, the Sun-Times reported.

And if marijuana comes up, they’ll be forced to admit the obvious—weed isn’t causing them any problems.

Sessions is a true believer that marijuana is a horrible, horrible thing. This is no surprise. We’ve known this for some time, even before he openly pined last year for the Nancy Reagan days, back when a generation of school kids were taught that “good people don’t smoke marijuana.” Those kids are grown now. Many of them smoke weed while holding down jobs and raising children—good things. Many more of them don’t use marijuana—and yet are still voting to legalize it, in record numbers.

At some point, Sessions’s devotion to this particular Lost Cause will start causing him real problems.

He appears to be suffering from serious confirmation bias, seeking counsel from others in the like-minded minority such as the attorney general of Nebraska, whose lawsuit alleging that Colorado legalization caused problems in his state was so thinly sourced the Supreme Court refused to hear it. And the longer he persists, the more it will undermine his own authority.

“It’s much easier to ignore the words of a man who’s clearly not only ignorant but very comfortable in his own ignorance—a serious challenge for an attorney general, who’s the chief law enforcement officer in the United States,” said John Hudak, a senior fellow at the Brookings Institution, in comments to the Huffington Post.

The attorney general of the United States can’t keep repeating alternative facts without creating a significant credibility gap, between himself, the 46 attorneys he’ll soon appoint to replace the Obama-era appointments he just fired and the lawmakers in Congress whose constituents realize this is bogus and vote appropriately.

So keep the Reefer Madness coming, Jeff. Embrace it. Let it all out.

Sessions is awful and I would love to see some smoking gun scandal take him down, but I don't see that happening. Sad really.
 

mitchgo61

I go where the thrills are
Sessions added that he “may have some different ideas myself in addition to that” but indicated that the federal government would not be able to enforce its remaining marijuana prohibition laws across the board in states with legalization.

“Essentially we’re not able to go into a state and pick up the work that the police and sheriffs have been doing for decades,” he said.

Oh that pesky, inconvenient 10th Amendment. :lol: Great article. Thanks for posting.
 

nickdanger

Collector of Functional Art
I really don't understand why he is so tunnel-vision focused on cannabis. He has way more pressing issues to worry about than what plant people are ingesting. For instance, let's see some folks in the medical/pharma cartel being brought up on charges of collusion, corruption and price fixing based on anti-trust laws that have been on the books for 100 years and is not enforced (15 USC Ch 1). This would be something positive he could get behind and the country would benefit. However, he's probably beholden to the cartel and lobbyists for campaign donations.

A true relic of the Reefer Madness mentality.
 

howie105

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I really don't understand why he is so tunnel-vision focused on cannabis. He has way more pressing issues to worry about than what plant people are ingesting. For instance, let's see some folks in the medical/pharma cartel being brought up on charges of collusion, corruption and price fixing based on anti-trust laws that have been on the books for 100 years and is not enforced (15 USC Ch 1). This would be something positive he could get behind and the country would benefit. However, he's probably beholden to the cartel and lobbyists for campaign donations.

A true relic of the Reefer Madness mentality.

Dear Regdnadkcin....We are all relics on this bus.
 

Krazy

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“I reject the idea that America will be a better place if marijuana is sold in every corner store. And I am astonished to hear people suggest that we can solve our heroin crisis by legalizing marijuana..."

Bonus question: He is employing a rather transparent argument technique based on which wizard of Oz character?
 

Deleted Member 1643

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Bonus question: He is employing a rather transparent argument technique based on which wizard of Oz character?

Straw man, straw man!

Wizard of Oz parallels abound. For example, Bannon is the "wizard" behind the curtain, and Trump is the larger-than-life, but hollow, image that he projects. If only we could click our heels three times and get back to Kansas. :rolleyes:

This is your brain on drugs

Love this one! We all used to take a bong hit whenever it would come on. :spliff: Anybody else do that?

I remember that it turned America into cocaine infested war zone, while cannabis users on a massive scale have been incarcerated only for loving a plant.

Coca's a plant, too, as is the poppy. But cannabis is always benign.
 
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Love this one! We all used to take a bong hit whenever it would come on. :spliff: Anybody else do that?
...yeah after I stopped laughing...always felt that was a dumb-ass .....commercial..I mean look at all the art...music..tech.changes ...ALL influenced by drugs....u gotta be pretty fucking stupid to not know that...
 
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CalyxSmokr

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I really don't understand why he is so tunnel-vision focused on cannabis. He has way more pressing issues to worry about than what plant people are ingesting. For instance, let's see some folks in the medical/pharma cartel being brought up on charges of collusion, corruption and price fixing based on anti-trust laws that have been on the books for 100 years and is not enforced (15 USC Ch 1). This would be something positive he could get behind and the country would benefit. However, he's probably beholden to the cartel and lobbyists for campaign donations.

A true relic of the Reefer Madness mentality.
well the gateway drug nonsense is the standard evergreen excuse. plus hippy weed growers are a soft target for forfeiture programs to line their pig pockets
 

Baron23

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16 people indicted in massive home-grown marijuana operation across Denver area

CENTENNIAL — Sixteen people have been indicted on charges they ran a massive home-grown marijuana operation across the Denver metro area that produced hundreds of pounds of pot each month for distribution across the country.

Authorities say over about three years, the ring used houses and properties in places like Colorado Springs, Castle Rock, Elbert County and Denver, to cultivate the cannabis and then make high-dollar deals to sell it in Illinois, Arkansas, Minnesota and Missouri.

An investigation into the ring launched in August, the indictment shows, after investigators searched an Elizabeth property owned by 53-year-old Michael Stonehouse. There they found more than 2,500 pounds of marijuana, which officials estimate was worth about $5 million.

“In a nutshell, this was about home-grown, local folks growing and exporting marijuana (for sale) out of the state of Colorado,” 18th Judicial District Attorney George Brauchler said at a news conference Friday afternoon. “This operation that was shut down effectively by the indictments and warrants that were issued was generating about 300-plus pounds of finished marijuana each month. These packages that they put together were tracked here, there and everywhere.”

Brauchler said it is the largest such case he has ever seen.

Local law enforcement — from Colorado Springs to Denver — worked with the Drug Enforcement Administration and federal prosecutors on the case, in which investigators used wire taps, video surveillance, gps trackers and search warrants on more than 20 accounts at more than seven banks.

Authorities over the past year, led by the DEA, have made it a priority to crack down on marijuana being illegally grown in homes for out-of-state sale. Barbra Roach, chief of the DEA’s Denver division, said her office is working on several similar cases that are pending indictments, and the agency has completed numerous illegal marijuana raids across the Front Range and the state’s southeast corner.

“Yes, residents of Colorado, and people that I’ll call ‘transplants to Colorado,’ are moving here (and) becoming involved in the marijuana industry with the expressed purpose of hiding their illicit proceeds and their illicit activities in plain sight under some of the laws that we have,” Roach said. “… We’re seeing ourselves as a larger source of supply than we ever were before.”

Brauchler, whose office is prosecuting the case, said the investigation into the ring reached a head on Thursday when search warrants were served across 19 Front Range locations by more than 200 law enforcement officers. Fifteen of the sixteen people indicted have been taken into custody. (cont)

This kind of stuff doesn't help our cause, IMO.
 

damm

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I caught these links off of drugwarrant.com; New York Times discovers dynamic entry drug raids.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/03/18/us/texas-no-knock-warrant-drugs.html
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/03/18/us/forced-entry-warrant-drug-raid.html

It's not often talked about how loose witnesses can cause bad interactions with the police when they try pursue a search warrant (or arrest) without doing enough research to know what they are getting into.

Not enough training; or not enough education you could go a few ways. You used to get more money if you went to college and had a degree as a police officer. I hope that's still true.
 
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