Yes. It is the source of making neighbors enemies. If you can "other" them, then they don't seem like people who you know, love and work with, they are things. You can do what you want with things without feeling bad. See also, Gooks, Spics, Nazis, N...(Nope, not going there.) and a host of other pejoratives that have no meaning other than show a desire you want to think of the other person as inhuman.
If we can't respect those with differences we have become prisoners of our own dogma. We need to stop being our own jailers and set ourselves free.
Sure. But in the meantime maybe don't support politicians who want to see every reader of this site thrown in a cage.
If we can't respect those with differences we have become prisoners of our own dogma. We need to stop being our own jailers and set ourselves free.
And, the silly-season continues.I agree. No one should consider Trump supporters "the enemy". You shouldn't blame the victims of a con job. Regardless of how obvious the con was to the majority of us.
Please note I did not mention politicians or support.
And, the silly-season continues.
Since it seems Trump is trying to make good on his promises, it seems the only "con" is by those who don't like what he promised. Which is fair as people have different ways to make sense of the world. Pity those who continue down the derangement path can't consider others coming to a rational conclusion different from them.
I won't get into how Trump is in fact not keeping his promises to the average, "forgotten man" American. This isn't the place.
But OldNewbie, I'd say the only "silliness" and "derangement" would be voting for a guy who told you he'd support Jeff Sessions for AG... then expecting anything good to happen with Cannabis.
The words of a genius hundreds of years ago encapsulates much of today. At least, if what you "thought" was wrong.Funny. I thought Trump was more Richard II. Petty and vindictive. The product of a coddled, privileged upbringing.
From the actual Hebrew on the dropped tablet.To my monotheistic friends I apologize, but there was only one entertainer philosopher worth his red sea salt.
Been awhile since I've been here. Been reading up tho! What are your thoughts on
"The Marijuana Justice Act" as a real solution?
I think it'd be great if this could actually pass
https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/senate-bill/1689/text?format=txt
http://norml.org/action-center/item/the-marijuana-justice-act-of-2017-introduced
EDIT:
I should add as a preface that this is a proposal to remove cannabis from the federal schedule and proposes a distribution of funds not used for the prosecutions of cannabis users. Atleast at a glance. Admittedly I have not read the entire thing yet.
It looks great. And if Congress enacted the will of the People into law, it would pass. But in the real world, it won't make it out of the Judiciary Committee.
From Business Insider:
...the bill will create a $500 million community reinvestment fund that will focus on job training for the nascent cannabis industry and will prioritize communities that have suffered a disproportionate number of marijuana arrests for recreational-sales licenses.
The bill will also cut federal funding for state law enforcement and prison construction if the state disproportionately arrests low-income or people of color for marijuana offenses. Part of the community reinvestment fund will be funded through these cuts.
"It's the reverse of the 1994 Crime Bill," Sen. Cory Booker said on the same call. "It creates incentives for states to change their marijuana laws."
There is a near zero chance this will receive a single Republican vote, to say nothing of a co-sponsor.
I agree with @florduh , such a bill will not likely get a single republican vote. Like every other posturing by either side to "fix" the problem, a poison pill of partisan dreams thrown in makes those otherwise inclined to vote for it to pass.
DESCHEDULE MARIJUANA!
It is completely in their power to do so. Yet, for some reason, that simple steak is not the bill. Instead, sizzletown.
Most of the legalization models are far too focused on market control and fee harvesting for my tastes. For myself its easy, any regulatory change that doesn't assure that I am not going to jail for use, procession or growth is unacceptable. I can't accept political equivocation, half steps or compromises if I or those I care for can still end up in jail.
The bill includes income redistribution. By putting the income redistribution in the bill, the majority of the country does not support it and it is not going to pass. Just because those on the far left like taking from one guy they don't like and give it to the guy they like, much of the country finds it fundamentally unfair.
The bill is not designed to further the conversation on cannabis NOR does it have a chance to get the federal government out of enforcement. It is designed as a talking point for a politician to not do anything but to say they did. It is exactly the sizzle I've written about all the way through.
I think he needs to Google the term "poison pill".
There is certainly a correlation between certain "groups" and marijuana convictions. We might also say that taxes have a correlation between certain groups and who pays them. That does not mean prohibition or taxation are historical wrongs to be righted.Simple question, OldNewbie: Do you believe that certain groups have been disproportionately affected by Marijuana Prohibition? In other words, do you accept reality?
Right. How about those hurt by those violating the law? You posted how violence went down when medical marijuana came into effect. Who do you think were doing the killing? Shouldn't the deaths of the innocents be taken off the reparations bill?"Fundamentally unfair"... give me a break. I'd say African Americans being incarcerated for marijuana possession at a higher rate than whites when both groups use marijuana at the same rate to be unfair. This bill seeks to address some of that by reinvesting in communities that have been disproportionately screwed by the Drug War.
None of the money is going to the guy who was hurt. It is simple identity politics to shift money to favored constituents. Your theory it is not "unfair" does not seem to be changing a lot of minds yet.You can use "income redistribution" or whatever Right Wing dog whistle you want to describe it, but calling it "unfair" doesn't pass the smell test. And the money called for in the bill is paid for with increased tax revenue from legalization. Not to mention the savings from not having the Feds enforce dumb laws.
That's why the poison pill. Credit for trying to fix the problem from those who support legalization and care about it as a high priority without blame for legalizing it from those who don't support legalization or who have other issues as higher priorities. Until there are clean bills that get out of committee and get voted upon, all we are determining is the sizzle we like better.I agree a "clean" removal of Marijuana from the CSA is preferable. But that HAS been proposed many times, and the Republicans still stonewalled it in committee. So, fuck 'em. Let's have both parties show where they stand. The Dems stand for ending the war on Marijuana and attempting to undo some of its worst effects. The GOP will laugh that off.
Agreed!Choose wisely in November!
Yet, in the specific paragraph saying it does not describe the bill, you basically listed the definition.Oh I'm familiar with the term, I just think describing this bill that way is ridiculous.
Thrown in jail for violating the law. Just like others would be thrown in jail for not following the tax law.@OldNewbie
I enjoy your comparing taxation to the disproportionate percentage of African Americans who are thrown in a cage for smoking weed.
Rather than laughing, distinguish them. Make an argument, not an accusation.@OldNewbieThat was good for a laugh. We all know paying taxes and having your life ruined with a drug possession conviction are basically equivalent matters
Not just one straw man, but two. Is it possible for you to not misstate things in an attempt to make some point?@OldNewbieBy your definition every bill that has sought to legalize cannabis has been a poison pill because inevitably Republican committee members have buried it. It couldn't be that the Party of Jeff Sessions just doesn't like weed, right?
Evidence? Just the entire history of this and how politicians on both sides have behaved. Do you think a straight bill would get more Republican votes or this bill with the income redistribution? If your goal is to legalize, that bill ain't helping. If your goal is other social fixes, then, we might discuss as to if those provisions are good or not.@OldNewbieThere's no evidence Booker and his 12 co-sponsors (House and Senate) are purposely trying to kill the bill by adding "poison". It's more like they actually believe it will correct the wrongs created by the dumb War on Weed. Not their fault Republicans will laugh at it.
Stand on WHAT? Which part of the bill are they standing on? The state's rights portion? The cannabis portion? The redistribution portion? The my buddy-runs-adult-classes-to-teach computers-and-he-might-like-some-of-this-cheddar portion? Maybe it is just a firm belief that teaching people who were arrested for felonies how to double click to select something is going to change their lives. But, just like you can't say the temporary spending bill being debated now is all about federal dog catcher reports out of the Department of Health and Human services, you can't say a vote on the bill is a position on cannabis.@OldNewbieYet again, we see where both Parties stand.
That's not my claim. I claim it is helpful to talk of cannabis reform and not talk about who says nicer things about cannabis reform. For the record, from your posts, it seems the Republicans are closer than the Democrats to getting a bill on the floor. Must be another example of our lying eyes.@OldNewbieYou seem to claim that voting for Republicans would be just as helpful as voting for Dems in terms of getting legalization enacted into law. Your evidence for this is Rep Garrett's "Ending Federal Marijuana Prohibition Act of 2017".
You fail to mention that FOUR TIMES as many Dems signed on to this REPUBLICAN BILL.
https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/1227/cosponsors
Which party does Feinstein belong to?