Correct Vaporizer Use & Consuming Vaped Herb?

[PinkFloydEffect]

Hello I am new here, I just got into the vaporizing scene because I have been having trouble with my tonsils and smoking sets them off within minutes of "smoking" and I am a long time seasoned smoker.

I tried this before just for novelty years back with an iOLITE and it wasn't holding up to smoking took too long to vaporize and I felt I was leaving something on the table as a waste. Now I am forced to and so I bought a Hebe Titan II on eBay for $45 and it works quite well but I have a lot of learning to do.

Let me start by saying I do not like how long it takes to consume the same amount of herbs, but I think I have been doing it wrong....when the oven heats to temp I start taking long slow drags over and over and over because I was under the impression if I let it sit it would be like a cherry burning away but if you don't inhale for 10-20 seconds nothing is wasted right? I left it on for 30sec and forgot it then picked it up and got a huge vapor cloud should I just let it sit and build vapor in the unit before inhaling? Maybe keep a finger over the mouth opening?

I like how its a much cleaner high almost stimulating during the day, after many many years of smoking all day every day I actually enjoy this high better but it seems it creeps in on you and takes a while to feel it unlike smoking when it goes to your head after your first hit instantly. I know the feeling we have all come to know as "high" is a cocktail of molecules CBD, etc so possibly its the CBD or something that you feel instantly when smoked until the THC takes its effect??? Once it finally does set in its nice and still feels heavy just takes a while. I started using this thing around 400F to make it vape quicker and usually start at 380F but should I try a lower temp and let it sit at oven temp for a while before inhaling instead??

Now I am left with this vaporized herb I am having a hard time just throwing away...I feel ingesting it is great for your health but never could afford to...I know there are traces still left and I take my multivitamins and crush them then fill empty capsules for better absorption I actually bought capsules too large and there is always extra room I am thinking about filling that room with vaporized herb what do you think??

Thanks

 

[VapourHaze]

Yes plenty of people make abv (vaped herb) capsules .. have a search and im sure you'll find plenty of info. Peace

 

[PinkFloydEffect]

What about my vaping procedure(s)? Should I be letting it sit before inhaling? If I do not draw from it will vapor escape the mouth piece of I do not hold a finger over it??

 

[VapourHaze]

Im not familiar with the vaporizer u mentioned .. it is quite cheap so im guessing its not great .. sorry. You pay for what you get. If u cant see vapour escaping then all good. If your serious about vaping i would invest some more money into a decent unit.

 

[PinkFloydEffect]

I understand that, but the concept is the same it does not use a heating coil like a typical vape pen that smolders it actually equally vaporizes the herb I am very impressed with the even coloration of the vaped herb when finished.. you can set it anywhere from 200F - 428F no presets.

 

[hoptimum]

I understand that, but the concept is the same it does not use a heating coil like a typical vape pen that smolders it actually equally vaporizes the herb I am very impressed with the even coloration of the vaped herb when finished.. you can set it anywhere from 200F - 428F no presets.

The difference among vaporizers is not what they do; they all function essentially the same. Some sort of heat source sends heated air through the herb as you inhale, creating vapor. What's different is how efficiently and effectively different vaporizers do this and the extent to which the user can control it. Some vaporizers accomplish this feat better than others, and while I do not use a Hebe Titan, I'll speculate that it's not one of the most effective or efficient vaporizers around. My first experience with vaporizers was somewhat similar to yours, though I managed to eventually coax decent vapor out of the Iolite. It wasn't until I got more efficient vaporizers that I began to appreciate what they are capable of. I'd caution you not to judge all vaporizers by your experience with the Hebe Titan or the Iolite.

 

[Reliable ShotZ]

Yes I have one soon to be replaced by my grasshopper hopefully. I bought it because it was cheap and its versatile temperature range. Unfortunately it's a risky vaporizer to buy as there are a lot of clones and some models use unsafe materials but is probably safer than smoking. I let my Titan 2 preheat and then i pack it and tamp it down. Inhale for 5 seconds and hold for 10 seconds and give the Titan 2 a break to get back up to temp. ramp up the temp by 20 farenheight every few puffs and finish off at 400 f and unload it as soon as I'm done to minimise cooking. I do place my thumb over the mouthpiece between puffs but im sure the amount I save is negligible. Yes it's a slow sipping vape and doesn't allow for quick consumption which is why I'm going for the grasshopper which has a lot more power output. Your not really doing anything wrong and what you mention and question is mostly down to personal preference. I personally prefer to keep puffing frequently as I feel I am wasting it letting it sit there cooking away, of course a convection vaporizer solves these problems.

 

[PinkFloydEffect]

I have a high tolerance, very seasoned but I am also young in my mid 20s. Well last night I tried eating vaped bud I packed two "000" capsules as hard as I could I was amazed how much I fit, then I put some organic butter spread in the end and ate them around 11pm...they did not do anything until I went to bed I couldn't close my eyes I was getting visual images which is strange for me. I just could not fall asleep, and I finally got up around 5am or so my whole body felt EXTREMELY heavy and I went into a pannik attack or something and I couldn't talk or walk and all my muscles were contracting and pulsing I think this triggered a mini seizure I am weak, I am going into the hospital today to see what happened I got pressure on sides of head and ears started to ring and his and I got tunnel vision tingly lips and yeah just bad bad stuff not sure if this triggered it or not but this was beyond any high!

Coincidentally my buddie stopped by earlier in that day with an oil rig and that was the 3rd time I ever dabbed and regardless of how much I smoke I have never been so high in my life then it went away by that evening but I am wondering if I had too much in my system still and ingesting it put me over the edge and "built off of" the dab high I was coming off of.

 

[PinkFloydEffect]

I just found this article that explains the danger in what I just did...not only did I add oil to the capsules I also packed them so SO tightly, everyone needs to be aware of this immediately!!!!


http://beyondchronic.com/2012/08/capsule-warning-avb-experiment-wrong/

 

[flotntoke]

I just found this article that explains the danger in what I just did...not only did I add oil to the capsules I also packed them so SO tightly, everyone needs to be aware of this immediately!!!!


http://beyondchronic.com/2012/08/capsule-warning-avb-experiment-wrong/

Yeah.... You should probably take a look around FC when you get a chance. Most people here are already aware of the this. Too much edibles is not a good thing and nothing like smoking or vaping too much. Many similar unpleasant stories all over. Hope you didn't actually go to the hospital. Even the worst edible overloads usually die off within 12 - 24 hours.

I find it much better to cook with my ABV. Save some up and cook it down in some butter or oil - there are a bunch of tecs in the Cooking with Cannabis thread. I find the boiling water and adding butter and ABV the simplest. Adding some fresh to the mix (even if bag dust or schwag) will help level out the buzz, too. If no fresh, the edibles tend to be very "dopey" for me.

One of the benefits of going like this is that the whole batch will be about the same potency. Once you have it made you can test out a small amount to see how strong it is, then go from there to make cookies, brownies, top off some pasta or a toasted bagel, whatever. And, the butter will be clarified once you cook it down so will last a good bit longer than regular butter.

It's different for different folks, but ingesting the ABV (or any material) itself can lead to some uncomfortable gastric distress, too. If you extract the actives into another medium, you eliminate almost all of that.

I'll also echo the comments of a few here. Not familiar with the vape you purchased, but don't think it is one of the best. If it works well enough for you, do enjoy! But, you may want to think about picking up another vape. There are some great ones out there ranging in price from around $100 to $700. Most vapes do in fact vape, but many have a different "vape signature" and other specific differences. But, whatever information and suggestions you may be looking for, rest assured you've found the right place. Welcome to FC!!

 

[PinkFloydEffect]

Thank you very much for your reply, I will be looking into researching a desktop vape soon because I do enjoy it more than smoking and I will touch back on this later.

As for my experience after reading that article I am not going to hospital, I don't have a psychoactive high at all neither did I during the attack so I thought something else was causing it medically. I think I built up a tolerance to all the chemicals in bud that I have not been getting into my system vaping for the last 2 weeks and maybe I just got all those chemicals I built a new tolerance to in massive quantity at once.

I am so shocked as a heavy smoker and knowing how harmless the plant is, my symptoms were 100% physical and I am sure I had an anxiety/panick attack but am curious if that lead me to have other more serious outcome such as a mini stroke I am full of stress so this may have been enough to put me over the edge and cause stroke symptoms. I am just so shocked...

 

[flotntoke]

Yeah.... don't worry about it, but don't continue to make the same mistake many do.... eating is not the same as vaping or smoking. And, is probably more different than either than they are from each other. It is also very person dependent - much more so than either. And, that's with fresh MJ. ABV is going to switch it up a good bit more. Your theory about not having those components in your system may have a little to do with it, but probably has more to do with the amounts you dumped into yourself. Even with heavy smoking, you probably wouldn't be getting those amounts into your system nearly that quickly.

Hope you picked up in the article that many of the psychoactives have already been vaped out of ABV, so you're not going to get a lot of that anyway. Probably even less for someone who is just coming from smoking and probably vaping the shit out of their weed. You may be different than I and many others, but I would guess your ABV is probably about the color of spent coffee. Nothing wrong with that, but that would mean you've already vaped out a good more than I have from my very dark green with tan specks ABV.

In your search for a desktop, be sure to check out the e-nano. Admittedly I'm a fanboy of it, but is a great little vape that is very versatile (great on a bubbler, can vape concentrates/hash), pretty reasonably priced ($200 +/-) and very efficient with your stash. Of course, less vaped to get to the same place is going to leave you with a little less ABV at the end of the month.

 

[PinkFloydEffect]

I will eventually buy a nicer vaporizer but I have surely made the switch I find smoking even through water really harsh now after a decade of loving it! I let it sit at 360F and take a long drag, let it sit, another long drag, etc I always leave it plugged in to make sure the battery stays topped off for when i actually do need to use it on the go, I am disappointed though it can not heat on USB power by itself it always uses battery and charges for a while after each use even when plugged in during use instead of using the USB power and not touching the battery so there must not be enough amps without battery.

The process of preparation is much more of a complicated pain than before though...I had been using a terrible grinder knocking it into a folded piece of paper then trying to feed it into the Titan II. I ordered a cheap flask funnel from China on eBay and it fits perfectly!

I ended up buying a Magic Flight finishing grinder and its making an amazing difference now all the herb turns browner and quicker, plus it sits on top of the funnel very well so no more knocking it onto a piece of folded paper! Now if I can only find a way to get the herb from my main grinder into the finishing grinder swiftly...

Update: I found an even better funnel!

I also picked up a pill / bead counter tray as a break up tray and it helps funnel material into the finishing grinder, I bought a Santa Cruz Shredder and a Magic Box finishing grinder they make a huge difference in the vape quality!