Convections vapes make me cough

[London Vaper]

Hey guys

Convection vapes make me cough yet conduction ones dont. As convection works via streaming hot air over the herb are we inhaling hot air on each draw which irritates the airways thus making me cough. Conduction vapes i hardly ever cough. I love my Mighty but after a few draws the vapour gets hot and i cough a lung out rendering it useless. Ive tried lower temps but im a high temp vaper so vaping at 350f or below isnt satisfying for me. Daily friver is focusvape for now i find it really smooth.

Any thoughts? I truly believe its the hot air in convection vapes that makes me cough.

 

[Doktor Dub]

You are probably right.

For some People it helps to suck the Vapor under their Tongue to moisten it. Many need to drink constantly while Vapeing.
Your best bet would be trying out a Water Tool, i think.
YMMV

 

[VapourHaze]

Through a bong with hot water ... smoooooth

 

[max]

I've used many different vapes over the years, both convection and conduction, and I can assure you that when it comes to the amount of hot air you get, it's more about how you hit, than about which heating method is used. It's easier to adjust to the vape than to hunt for the exact model that suits your particular method of vaping. While it's certainly possible to find the model that fits you best, the search can get frustrating and expensive. A lot of people make the mistake with vaporizing of hitting too hard. I don't know if that's an issue for you, but it's common, and your desire for high temps fits. There IS an adjustment from smoking to vaping.

 

[Squiby]

Any thoughts? I truly believe its the hot air in convection vapes that makes me cough.

I had a similar problem until I got my VAPCAP and learned a different toking technique from @natural farmer.

If you are hitting your vape like a joint; sucking and inhaling as you toke, it can be very hard on the throat and lungs, especially if you are sensitive.

Try increasing the air resistance on your vape. The Vapcap has a carb and I now keep it closed. The greater air resistance allows you to pull your toke as if you were pulling a puff from a cigarette. Pull the vapour into your mouth first then breath in by opening the carb or just opening your mouth to bring in fresh air with the inhale.

This has made a huge difference for me. Try it......

 

[insideoutman]

Hey guys

Convection vapes make me cough yet conduction ones dont. As convection works via streaming hot air over the herb are we inhaling hot air on each draw which irritates the airways thus making me cough. Conduction vapes i hardly ever cough. I love my Mighty but after a few draws the vapour gets hot and i cough a lung out rendering it useless. Ive tried lower temps but im a high temp vaper so vaping at 350f or below isnt satisfying for me. Daily friver is focusvape for now i find it really smooth.

Any thoughts? I truly believe its the hot air in convection vapes that makes me cough.

Have you tried the dosing capsules? They seem kinda dumb, but actually take the Mighty to a whole new level, because it allows smaller loads thus different options... plus ive noticed its more conduction based vapor and different temp sweet spots... Or try the liquid pad on top to load smaller and restrict draw, till you get a feel for the vapor stream... enjoy!

 

[chris 71]

iv learned over the last 4 years i have been vaping , that for me its nothing to do with the hot air .
there are tons of threads on here about coughing from vaping . i started one my self back in 2012 wondering why i was coughing so much from vaping .
i know its not so much to do with hot air , as would be most peoples first thoughts as to why this could be the cause .

i know this because i would get the same dry tickle and cough reaction from a bag vape as well as direct draw . if it was the hot air , then the bag vapes should not cause this as the vapor has time too cool .

i also dont buy the whole its your system clearing it self out thing that is purposed here all the time .
although coughing will do this .

im leaning more towards it being more of an inflammation type of response, possibly .
even though certain cannabinoids are anti inflammatory .

or maybe a drying effect , not so much from the hot air but maybe the same type of reason cannabis can give you the pasties ( dry mouth ) which is a common side effect of lots of medication . why is this ? im sure there is a know en reason . maybe vaping causes a similar effect deeper in the lungs as well as the mouth . maybe there is some reason that vaping would cause this more then say smoking .

also possibly particulate size has something to do with it i always find that adding a small amount of cotton in my stems helps with my cough , more then vaping through water actually

i have not been able to find a for sure reason as to why vaping does this . i think in the not to distant future we will find out as more studies are done .

 

[Squiby]

also possibly particulate size has something to do with it i always find that adding a small amount of cotton in my stems helps with my cough , more then vaping through water actually

Yes, I agree that the use of a small filter made from a bit of cotton or degummed hemp fiber makes a huge difference to irritating particulates.

 

[yogoshio]

Don't forget that THC is also an expectorant/irritant. Hence why it helps "clear out."

 

[Andreaerdna]

I love convection device taste but i feel it irritates my lungs if I use them too much.

First let me say IME there is a correlation between vapor density and coughing too.

With my solo at temp 5 I can inhale as I want without coughing with strain A and I cough one of my lungs out if I take the same long hit (>10secs) with stronger strain B. That being said, after using convection devices only for around 6months I started to feel it in my chest, kind a like an irritation/small pain after each hit (even through water). As I go back to my vapcap/solo, "lung" irritation went away (this is the main reason I used my solo again after long time, it is easier, softer)

These days I use almost mixed devices or mainly radiation/conduction devices like vapcap, solo, air,vapman or HI with stainless steel stem (bit more of convection), and always (less the Air) through water.
Chest/lung irritation is a memory and I still use times to times my beloved flavorfull nano (even dry) without that hot feeling into the high part of the chest.

My point is: with devices that rely on radiation/conduction and not only convection, vapor cames without the need to suck a lot more dry hot air (taste gets cooked is the bad side), so for sure they are drying less your moist interior

My next vape will probably be a sticky bricks, as it is a 100% convection device that rely on full combusted buthane as source of "hot air".
In buthane fumes there is very little left but with some CO there is water vapor, so it il less dry than normal heated air. Is this enough to keep actual vapor less dry? Hope so not tryied yet.

Keep in mind this is my personal experience only and I am not a doctor.

 

[Vapor_Eyes]

I love convection device taste but i feel it irritates my lungs if I use them too much.

First let me say IME there is a correlation between vapor density and coughing too.

With my solo at temp 5 I can inhale as I want without coughing with strain A and I cough one of my lungs out if I take the same long hit (>10secs) with stronger strain B. That being said, after using convection devices only for around 6months I started to feel it in my chest, kind a like an irritation/small pain after each hit (even through water). As I go back to my vapcap/solo, "lung" irritation went away (this is the main reason I used my solo again after long time, it is easier, softer)

These days I use almost mixed devices or mainly radiation/conduction devices like vapcap, solo, air,vapman or HI with stainless steel stem (bit more of convection), and always (less the Air) through water.
Chest/lung irritation is a memory and I still use times to times my beloved flavorfull nano (even dry) without that hot feeling into the high part of the chest.

My point is: with devices that rely on radiation/conduction and not only convection, vapor cames without the need to suck a lot more dry hot air (taste gets cooked is the bad side), so for sure they are drying less your moist interior

My next vape will probably be a sticky bricks, as it is a 100% convection device that rely on full combusted buthane as source of "hot air".
In buthane fumes there is very little left but with some CO there is water vapor, so it il less dry than normal heated air. Is this enough to keep actual vapor less dry? Hope so not tryied yet.

Keep in mind this is my personal experience only and I am not a doctor.

I have a Sticky Brick and it is my smoothest vape. It is smoother than even my beloved E-Nano. I think this is partly because of the water vapor you mentioned, and also because of the long and wide open airpath.

 

[CarolKing]

I would suggest low heat in the beginning and a good draw style that doesn't overwhelm your lungs. Using a water tool with warm water might help. Don't use too deep of a draw.

Maybe when searching for a new vaporizer think about the Arizer Solo. It's very easy to use and has low heat settings. You can buy one for a $150. It requires a slow and steady draw.

A log vape is a nice choice too. They would be considered a convection vape. Some people think convection as a better taste.

You might be able to practice using your Mighty. That's a lot of money to spend for a vaporizer let alone a portable. You will want to be able to use it if you can. There are plenty folks that love the Mighty.

I bought vaporizers and realized after a week, it's not for me. I prefer an all glass air path unless I'm using wood.

 

[kellya86]

I belive it's down to a higher concentration of irritating cannabinoids per dose, that seems to come with convection vapes, conduction seems to be slower release....

But if I do a single extraction through the solo (more conduction) and bubbler, that will make me cough... because it has just extracted the load and iv hit it all at once, I get that similar high concentration of thc (and others) that the eq (more convection) would deliver...

This is my theory, but I'm sure it's a mix of many things that attribute to the cough.....

 

[ShadowVape]

Word Kellya86 like yogoshio the annoying libertarian pointed out the expecterant drug effect will make one cough on larger deliveries probably even if they've got pinkie clean lungs (especially if they don't)...that said, hot/dry air is inhaled in higher volumes on convective or hybrid convective/conductive vapes than on most conductive / flash vapes so can irritate with sustained heat and dryness for sure if the vapor is not well cooled/moisture conditioned.

Too many vaporists have constant "heat" as the Chinese would say in their lungs from sucking down hot and dry vapor all the time. This makes one more susceptible to respiratory bugs. It's why just smoking an old fashion J (assuming clean and proper flowers to start with and rice paper) can be easier on the lungs in a sessional context than many vapes (just don't try to go "Hawaiin Style" and smoke the roach though please). Try running your vapor through water and/or past ice with a decent water tool (read: diffusion) and you'll have a good control to see if cooling/moisture conditioning the heat helps. Also, be aware that the heat source, path proximity to electronic components and materials used in the vape you're using will have a polarity or electrical charge associated with it. Positive polarity (i.e. metals/alloys/plastics) is accumulated heat; heat irritates.

The VripMaster tools used with whatever water tools favor macro dosing by design though micro dosing is possible. Over the years we've heard a similar story over and over from heavy hitters converting to vapor by Vrip: harder coughing the first couple months than gradually less coughing even with the large deliveries. Most of if not all of our clients are probably using a decent to really nice tube or bubbler which at least minimizes the heat/dryness irritation factor so their experience would indicate there is a very heightened drug expectorant effect from larger deliveries relative to smaller deliveries. Makes sense the more of the drug delivered the stronger the effect usually up to a bell peak anyway. As long as you keep it cool and moisture conditioned my experience has long been that large deliveries of vapor from clean flowers or concentrates will effectively clean out the lungs. I notice a difference after breathing heavy dust riding or working on the mountain in dusty conditions and then taking a big vape...the more shit I've been inhaling the more I cough up and spit out. The cleaner the air being breathed the less coughing after large deliveries (assuming no acute irritation from infection). Always using organic flowers and/or the gland extractions from the same.

Vapor is a constant lung cleanse if done right with the right herbs and the right tools. If you want to go large and convective, best to run through a water tool for sure and avoid or at least minimize positive polarity materials.