Confederacy, Cannabis and States rights

[Ohmie]

So this is how it all began at the age of fc community and nostalgia thread;

There are 0 payphones anywhere. I had to go to a phone store a few years ago to call a taxi.
Sometimes it seems like a different world to me. Could a major tv character say something like: "No bum that can't speak poifect English oughta stay in this country...oughta be de-exported the hell outta here!" (that's one of the milder ones
Or a popular musical have songs with lyrics like:"
I'm a
Colored spade
A nigger
A black nigger
A jungle bunny
Jigaboo coon
Pickaninny mau mau"
or
In the name of the father, the son, and the holy ghost. Amen.

Sodomy
Fellatio
Cunnilingus
Pederasty

Not that those were necessarily great but it was a world where those could be said. I read that some places are refusing to play "Gone with the Wind".

I'll just watch and see how this conversation plays out. ....I got the feeling it's a lot of folk around here lying about their age to begin with...and just in case somebody wanna make something of it, yea "I voted" on the survey but I just can't take this kind of crap serious. Sacred feminine? My ass! What in "tarnation" could feminists be complaining about coming from such a rich cultural background as that right there

One minute ur talking about a payphone(or lack thereof) then...I dont know what prompted the next sentences you typed.

Are you complaining that the horribly offensive verses in that song are now unacceptable?

Yes I am. Just as All in the Family used offensive language to challenge racism, homophobia in a comedy, the songs represent the same attitude towards violence and war. But that perspective is totally alien now. I'm curious as to what the older ones on the board think of that.

And yes I started with phones. But just generally I've been looking at attitudes right now and I am so glad that I'm not in my twenties. Or younger.

(Still no feminism in my post.)

@little maggie -- Thank you. I never would of got what you meant in your original post without clarifying it like you just did.


PS--I have NO Idea what that crack about feminism had to with either. Considering you mentioned it ZERO in your post.

And finally the my post that started this thread;

"This thread is about nostalgia and the feminism is like a shadow between then and now so I was just staying relevant is all.. Maybe I should've said feminists these days but .....It might not be "just quite" as racially charged these days.
What's this the Confederacy thread? Is this why states rights are so important and the legal weeds being rationed so discriminately amongst them.". The big lettered words are the thread topic in case you wonder.
Or,
Do you believe that confederate ambitions are what's holding up national legalization of Marijuana?

 

[RUDE BOY]

I'm so fucking confused about the topic of this thread, none of it makes any sense to me.

 

[CarolKing]

What does faminism and working to legalize medical and recreational cannabis have in common? I'm not trying to be rude just asking. This is the cannabis news and activism section.

 

[Ohmie]

I'm so fucking confused about the topic of this thread, none of it makes any sense to me.

It's in the survey as well as the bottom of the initial post

 

[Ohmie]

What does faminism and working to legalize medical and recreational cannabis have in common? I'm not trying to be rude just asking. This is the cannabis news and activism section.

Who was t that made the prediction that in the end times or something ppl would be charged for breathing air?

Also why are confederate sypathizers so crazy about it to begin with? It all started w states rights, right?

And the feminism thing..i don't believe in feminism to begin with

 

[RUDE BOY]

Yeah, maybe I'm missing something today but making type bigger and bolder doesn't seem to help my comprehension one iota.

I'll try reading it again later... maybe it'll be a little clearer then.


Edit; I Don't even know what the survey is asking so I can't cast a vote.

 

[CarolKing]

The confederacy was all about racism. I'm in the dark as well. Try making a thread in the lounge regarding the confederacy or feminism. They aren't even similar. Are you implying woman were treated like slaves or a second class citizen? A long time ago they were.

I believe in states rights and so does our president. That's what he said during his campaign anyway. He could very well change his mind. It seems like not all of his admistration is on the same page. I live in WA state and I don't want my rights stepped on. Sessions is walking a fine line here.

 

[Baron23]

none of it makes any sense to me.

Nor to anyone else.

 

[Ohmie]

Yeah, maybe I'm missing something today but making type bigger and bolder doesn't seem to help my comprehension one iota.

I'll try reading it again later... maybe it'll be a little clearer then.


Edit; I Don't even know what the survey is even asking so I can't cast a vote.

Do you believe that the current us government still holds the intentions of the Confederacy of the past of which we're speaking? Do you believe that confederate ambitions are what's holding up national legalization of Marijuana? I fixed the survey question for you

 

[Stu]

 

[Ohmie]

The confederacy was all about racism. I'm in the dark as well. Try making a thread in the lounge regarding the confederacy or feminism. They aren't even similar. Are you implying woman were treated like slaves or a second class citizen? A long time ago they were.

I believe in states rights and so does our president. That's what he said during his campaign anyway. He could very well change his mind. It seems like not all of his admistration is on the same page. I live in WA state and I don't want my rights stepped on. Sessions is walking a fine line here.

I just fixed the question for you guys

 

[RUDE BOY]

Do you believe that the current us government still holds the intentions of the Confederacy of the past of which we're speaking?

Maybe i don't understand your use of the words 'confederacy' and 'confederate'. Can you give your definitions? it may help.

 

[Ohmie]

Maybe i don't understand your use of the words 'confederacy' and 'confederate'. Can you give your definitions? it may help.

So you're just mocking me?

The confederacy was all about racism. I'm in the dark as well. Try making a thread in the lounge regarding the confederacy or feminism. They aren't even similar.

They are similar if you don't believe either one of them

 

[RUDE BOY]

So you're just mocking me?

No, I'm actually asking a serious question. Your use of the terms just doesn't make sense to me and your definitions of these terms would maybe help clarify what you're trying to say and ask.


Edit; What are 'confederate ambitions'? And who are the 'confederates' with these ambitions?

 

[CarolKing]

So since the confederacy was all about states rights you are comparing legal cannabis states right with the confederacy' states rights. You can't compare the treatment of slaves and owning salves which are human beings which are not property to legalizing cannabis IMO.

 

[Ohmie]

So since the confederacy was all about states rights you are comparing legal cannabis states right with the confederacy? You can't compare the treatment of slaves and owning salves which are human beings not property to legalizing cannabis IMO.

I happen to believe the majority of pot growers are confederate sympathizers or connected

 

[RUDE BOY]

I happen to believe the majority of pot growers are confederate sympathizers or connected

But the southern confederacy ended in 1865 so no-one is actually still connected to it.

And I gotta say most growers I've meet are really really liberal leaning politically.

 

[Ohmie]

But the southern confederacy ended in 1865 so no-one is actually still connected to it.

And I gotta say most growers I've meet are really really liberal leaning politically.

NO, they're hippies..so maybe just TOO liberal

 

[howie105]

I'm so fucking confused about the topic of this thread, none of it makes any sense to me.

I am still packing stems and making some progress on the interpretation. My main problem is the time frames involved. So much time meaning so many changes I guess its about perception.

 

[CarolKing]

I happen to believe the majority of pot growers are confederate sympathizers or connected

I respectfully disagree with that statement. I live in a fairly liberal area and it's liberal down the whole west-coast practically. There are counties that lean more strong republican but the most part we are liberal.

We have legal cannabis now but there are plenty of growers that continue in the black market. Those that I have met over the years are liberal leaning just from conversations I've had. They loved the Obama era.

I agree the confederacy died a long time ago. Some of the symbols and statues need to be explained better. Why they were built and who wanted the statue erected. Maybe some even need to be removed because it's troubling to folks walking by it every day. Who wants a salute to racism?

The history of slavery is a sad one. It's hard for me to read about how people were killed because they tried to run away from abuse and hate. How whole families were split up and sold as property. It's an embarrassing and a horrible time in history. How someone could feel they had the right to own another human being.

Way different than legalizing cannabis. I can't relate to the two.

 

[Ohmie]

I respectfully disagree with that statement. I live in a fairly liberal area and it's liberal down the whole west-coast practically. There are counties that lean more strong republican but the most part we are liberal.

I agree the confederacy died a long time ago. The history of slavery is a sad one. It's hard for me to read about how people were killed because they tried to run away from abuse and hate. How whole families were split up and sold as property. It's an embarrassing and a horrible time in history. How someone could feel they had the right to own another human being.

I've edited my previous post per your viewing pleasure

 

[CuckFumbustion]

Not seeing the correlations implied by the topic in this thread. But I'll bite.

But the southern confederacy ended in 1865 so no-one is actually still connected to it.

What is considered a confederate today is being conflated. Some confederates at the time believed in "states rights" to further their own main agenda of keeping slavery as an institution. Not because they were for some altruistic ideal of a smaller government being beneficial for the Union.

I don't think most 'Confederates' today understand the basic tenets of their own movement. Much less the thoughts and beliefs held by those members who quit the movement around 1865. Many of those former confederates at the time wanted to disband and remove any trace of the former movement and begin healing the war torn nation. Like when other countries would reunite and heal after their own civil war. They knew well and commented in advance that these monuments erected would be detrimental. As one salient example.

Cannibis legalization can be considered an apolitical movement or a personal right issue to the 'ownership to ones body.' My body - my business.

There is an ugly politically motivation by either the extreme Left or Right to make cannabis a political hot potato and punish the opposing side's straw man. Perhaps that was what the OP question was meant to draw out? Most moderates and rational L/R are for federal legalization if you believe all the polls.

An aside - I don't like that we refer to the American Civil War as "The Civil War" btw, It obscures the fact to the uninitiated that other countries have had and experience their own civil wars. And subsequently that other countries have healed and moved on.

 

[RUDE BOY]

Cannibis legalization can be considered an apolitical movement or a personal right issue to the 'ownership to ones body.' My body - my business.

There is an ugly politically motivation by either the extreme Left or Right to make cannabis political hot potato and punish the opposing side's straw man. Perhaps that was what the OP question was meant to draw out?

I agree with what you posted which is why i asked the OP to clarify what they meant by "confederate ambition" and what group of people held said ambition. Ive never read or heard anyone use that term in a modern context.

 

[Tranquility]

If I might imagine why the question is asked, I might imagine the concept of Federalism and how State and Federal government interact. We might just say the federal government has supremacy and leave it at that. Yet, in the Bill of Rights, the Tenth Amendment:

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.​

While the easy answer to the reason for the Civil War is "slavery", the real answer is more complex and revolves around the concept of states' rights. (aka federalism)

To discuss the different theories of federalism and how the concept developed would take more time than a post here is worth. But I think the key concept where the two are being compared and contrasted with have to do with the power of the states to have laws that differ from federal law.

Modernly, it has to do with marijuana. (Lots of other things too.) In the Civil War era, it had to do with slavery. Others might add taxation/economic issues (Southern agriculture was taxed and regulated differently from northern manufacturing.) and the concept of state's rights. Some might claim Lincoln was so outside the mainstream that his election was beyond the pale and resistance was necessary.

Compare and contrast. (Well, if you think my imagining is correct.)

 

[Baron23]

I happen to believe the majority of pot growers are confederate sympathizers or connected

That so dramatically flies in the face of facts that I believe are obvious on the face of it, that I question your mental state.

@CuckFumbustion - While I agree that for slave owners, secession was motivated mainly by a desire to retain slavery in order to retain a slave based economic model, I do also believe that there was a states rights component to their motives. Please remember, at this point in our history, states were truly sovereign political entities about which we mostly give just lip service these days. People's allegiance was often more strongly to their state than the Federation. While we are indeed still a federation of sovereign states and commonwealth's, this is far more honored today in the breach than the tradition, and has been undone significantly by stretching the Commerce Clause well beyond recognition to claim Federal oversight of traditional state's prerogatives.

I see it much like my rather militant advocacy for state MJ/MMJ programs. I feel I am fighting primarily for adult individual freedom of choice and patient rights. But, I am also fighting this under the principals of individual sovereign state's rights to set their own laws and policies for activities solely within the state. I believe the issue of state's rights are exceedingly important, perhaps more so now than ever before. This country of ours is very large and people have very different cultural norms and values across its breadth. One of the trends that I believe has acerbated the heated differences among us is strident efforts to homogenize these norms and values and insistence that all adhere to them. The simple fact is that state and local governments more closely reflect the desires of its local electorate than the Feds.

One other thing I often think about in all of this recent kerfuffle over the Confederacy, is that very few people in the south, as a percentage, actually owned slaves as they were VERY expensive. Approximately 1 M southerners fought at one time or another in the Confederate Army and very, very few of these boys owned slaves or came from slave owning wealthy families.

Of that 1M, approximately 600,00 died and many more were wounded.

So, we have statues and other symbols of the Confederacy that people object to as racist articles when, in fact, many of them are statues in their home towns to the common soldier who left and never returned.

Its just too easy to paint with in just black and white when reality is all sorts of shades of gray.

Oh...most of this is just my musings and not pointed back at you or anything you wrote!! LOL Sorry. haha