Concentrates for Noobs - Q&A

[Pimpslapper]

I read somewhere that it starts evaporating at - 175f, will probably take weeks though. I actually did it today, two runs, both times the liquid looks lovely. Hope it works.

 

[herbivore21]

I read somewhere that it starts evaporating at - 175f, will probably take weeks though. I actually did it today, two runs, both times the liquid looks lovely. Hope it works.

Without heat, it will not fully purge. You MUST get the surface of your solution being purged to be in a liquid phase. If it is not liquid, then the lower boiling compounds (ie: solvent) left in your material will not be able to escape it's prison trapped inside the much more viscous and higher boiling resin which is not yet hot/liquid enough for the solvent to escape!

I am sure with time you can get most of the solvent to evaporate this way, but you will definitely need to still purge at the end.

 

[Pimpslapper]

OK thanks mate I will see what I can do

 

[Tomfool86]

Can someone with a little more experience than me compare winterized and nonwinterized bho? Really asking about taste more than anything. Id never had any that was winterized until just recently. I like how smooth and clean it is but I csnt get by the taste, or lack there of. Is there anyway to help this or is it just the nature of the beast/flavor is in the fat kind of thing? Thx.

 

[throwawaytre3s]

Can someone with a little more experience than me compare winterized and nonwinterized bho? Really asking about taste more than anything. Id never had any that was winterized until just recently. I like how smooth and clean it is but I csnt get by the taste, or lack there of. Is there anyway to help this or is it just the nature of the beast/flavor is in the fat kind of thing? Thx.

Well, winterizing BHO is essentially re-dissolving it in another solvent, sometimes ethyl alcohol, and re-purging it. This removes a lot of the remaining plant lipids and any residual butane that may be left from an under-purging. This is what makes it so smooth and so clean. As far as flavor, I'm sure you're bound to lose some terps, but I wouldn't say that a lot of the winterized concentrates I've had lack flavor necessarily. I mean you could always add your own terps back in, but that's really expensive, and something that's typically only done for distillate, which is incredibly flavorless, due to the fact there are virtually zero terpines in it at all.

 

[Tomfool86]

Well, winterizing BHO is essentially re-dissolving it in another solvent, sometimes ethyl alcohol, and re-purging it. This removes a lot of the remaining plant lipids and any residual butane that may be left from an under-purging. This is what makes it so smooth and so clean. As far as flavor, I'm sure you're bound to lose some terps, but I wouldn't say that a lot of the winterized concentrates I've had lack flavor necessarily. I mean you could always add your own terps back in, but that's really expensive, and something that's typically only done for distillate, which is incredibly flavorless, due to the fact there are virtually zero terpines in it at all.

Thanks! I would bet I'm doing something wrong. My winterized bho tastes almost lime a co2 dist. In the way that there is ZERO taste. Very smooth, very pretty stuff. It's just not getting any of the flavor my normal bho has.

 

[FlyingLow]

What do you all know of thc isolates?
(This topic may warrant its own thread... anyone with knowledge or experience, please get one started)

 

[Tomfool86]

It's just starting to come around in my state. Prices are 200/g. No idea on the extraction method. I have read that there's ways to do it at home. Not sure if it's true or how hard it would be. Be interested to hear what others have to say about it

 

[muunch]

Can get some bubble... however it's not full-melt. Is it possible to vape this in some non-messy way on its own (ie: no bed of flowers)? Worth the time/money?

 

[Vape Donkey 650]

Sure! What you need is a vape with an "oil can" type of insert, or cartridge, usually metal or glass.

Original davinci with oil can, ascent glass oil jar, dosing capsule for crafty/mighty come to mind.

S&B dc on the ez valve would also probably work ok without much mess, or a vape that has a glass bowl w/mesh screen like an arizer EQ should work well with bubble hash or kief on its own, no bed of flowers or anything.

For sure there are many other flower vapes with inserts that will help you vape non-melt concentrates also, these are just a few that I'm familiar with.

Back in the day, I vaped grams and grams worth of straight kief loads in the davinci, a little bubble hash too. This worked extremely well and would get me sooo lit... Pack about 0.3g tightly in the oil can, and get dozens of thick smooth tasty hits.. smooth and tasty at least 3/4 of the way through the session before clouds get hotter and dry.

I had alot of fun vaping kief, but ever since I got over the fact that bho is (can be) perfectly safe and healthy to consume, and switched to vaping that on dedicated ceramic concentrates vapes, i would never go back.

Hope that helps some, have fun vaping that bubble right

 

[sickmanfraud]

I read somewhere that it starts evaporating at - 175f, will probably take weeks though. I actually did it today, two runs, both times the liquid looks lovely. Hope it works.

I will admit to zero knowledge of concentrates (that is why I am here). I do claim to have knowledge of evaporating ethanol as I have made between 2 and 5 separate batches of Green Dragon Tincture per month for the last 4 years.

IF the ethanol is left outside in freezing conditions I do not believe it will evaporate.

I suggest that you take the covered bowl and put it in the top of a closet or other dark warmish place. to make sure nothing gets in to your concentrate you could slip the entire bowl into the leg of a stocking.

Remember that sunlight can degrade THC, leaving this outside there is a greater chance of exposure to sunlight. If the bowl does not have to be hidden you can take a fan and blow over the top of the ethanol to speed evaporation.

Since I don't want to post back to back I will ask my question now. I have zero knowledge of concentrates but I would like to learn.

Do I have to read the whole thread to follow what is going on?

When I send folks to PsychedelicSam's tincture thread I tell them to read the first few pages to understand the technique (Freezer method) and then the most recent few pages and at that point to find something in the index that is interesting to you.

Is there any index? recipes?

Thanks

 

[Pimpslapper]

It did not evaporate in the cold after all. I helped out with a warm tap water bath and it turned out very tasty

 

[phattpiggie]

@sickmanfraud I would be careful evaporating ethanol in an enclosed space.
I used to use a ban marie type set up to boil off butane, no reason why you can use the same method for alcohol.
Always outside using kettles of boiling water to keep a good boil going.
It'll take a bit longer with ethanol, quicker and safer than in a cupboard.

Not preaching safety and it's each to there own but we are talking highly flammable substances and in the case of alcohol a barely visible flame.

 

[herbivore21]

@sickmanfraud I would be careful evaporating ethanol in an enclosed space.
I used to use a ban marie type set up to boil off butane, no reason why you can use the same method to alcohol.
Always outside using kettles of boiling water to keep a good boil going.
It'll take a bit longer with ethanol, quicker and safer than in a cupboard.

Not preaching safety and it's each to there own but we are talking highly flammable substances and in the case of alcohol a barely visible flame.

@sickmanfraud I am preaching safety here, and no, do not ever vent flammable effluent into an enclosed cupboard! You need good ventilation when dealing with anything flammable, including ethanol.

 

[sickmanfraud]

I always reduce my tinctures using a double boiler. Since my stove is gas I refill the bottom pot with fresh hot water once or twice.

I NEVER REDUCE TINCTURES NEAR AN OPEN FLAME. Thanks for your concern.

Could anyone respond to any of my questions?

Thanks

 

[DrRishi]

I have actually moved away from using hot water as I got the feeling some of the water (steam) was getting into my final product. I now use a dish filled with fine sand. I can heat this up on the griddle and it holds its heat very nicely even when it is pretty cold outside.

 

[sickmanfraud]

I have zero knowledge of concentrates but I would like to learn.

Do I have to read the whole thread to follow what is going on?

When I send folks to PsychedelicSam's tincture thread I tell them to read the first few pages to understand the technique (Freezer method) and then the most recent few pages and at that point to find something in the index that is interesting to you.

Is there any index? recipes?

Thanks

I asked those questions yesterday, but they might have gotten lost.

Thanks again

 

[FlyingLow]

Good evening= Clementine shatter dipped in Co2 Berry White sap and rolled in THC isolate.

Nuff said.

 

[witka]

I'm hoping someone can answer or link if there is already a discussion... @herbivore21 maybe??
Roughly how much dry herb does it take to make 1gr of shatter?

 

[skaav]

Pretty new to concentrates, when vaping wax, is it supposed to be a fairly small, inhalable hit, and then around 2 mins of burn off? Or did i get horribly tainted stuff? When Evaporated on aluminum foil, a small quantity of black/burnt residue remains, which however still smells like the product, unlike similar contaminations in hash, slight sizzle when heated but no sparks or splutters.

Using Evo with VXN.

 

[scalescliffs]

I'm hoping someone can answer or link if there is already a discussion... @herbivore21 maybe??
Roughly how much dry herb does it take to make 1gr of shatter?

You can press rosin with a hair iron and get like 20-25% yield, so like 4-5g?

 

[herbivore21]

I'm hoping someone can answer or link if there is already a discussion... @herbivore21 maybe??
Roughly how much dry herb does it take to make 1gr of shatter?

Ime up to 25% or so, but realistically between 4-10g of flower per g of rosin depending on flower quality/resin coverage

 

[throwawaytre3s]

Pretty new to concentrates, when vaping wax, is it supposed to be a fairly small, inhalable hit, and then around 2 mins of burn off? Or did i get horribly tainted stuff? When Evaporated on aluminum foil, a small quantity of black/burnt residue remains, which however still smells like the product, unlike similar contaminations in hash, slight sizzle when heated but no sparks or splutters.

Using Evo with VXN.

It sounds to me as if your wax is well purged, if it isn't sparking or sputtering at all, a sizzle isn't good but I imagine telling you to get better wax is, well, not productive for your ends. I wouldn't suggest using aluminum foil at all, especially in your vape. My preferred method of vaping concentrates rather than dabbing them directly, is to take a small bit of cotton and place it in there, then set my vape to about a 7-8 for the e-nano, you'll want it a bit higher than for herb in order to vaporize it properly. The temperature in your vape should be well below cotton's combustion temp, and well over what it takes to vaporize your wax. I'm not entirely sure what you're referring to by burn-off, though.

 

[skaav]

It sounds to me as if your wax is well purged, if it isn't sparking or sputtering at all, a sizzle isn't good but I imagine telling you to get better wax is, well, not productive for your ends. I wouldn't suggest using aluminum foil at all, especially in your vape. My preferred method of vaping concentrates rather than dabbing them directly, is to take a small bit of cotton and place it in there, then set my vape to about a 7-8 for the e-nano, you'll want it a bit higher than for herb in order to vaporize it properly. The temperature in your vape should be well below cotton's combustion temp, and well over what it takes to vaporize your wax. I'm not entirely sure what you're referring to by burn-off, though.

Aluminum Foil was just used as a burn off medium for a purity check, I dont need to use cotton or the like because i have the Evos Glass Nail to use for Oils, If you use cotton you will have no burn off because the Enano wont be able to produce the heat necessary to burn off the rest, you can see that because youre cotton would be ablaze if that were the case (thats what happens if i put my evo on burnoff setting and have some kind of fibre in the glass nail)

Burn off is the leftover Carbon (methinks) that wont get vaped. If you do yours via cotton, thats were the non vaporizable carbon stuff is stuck.

According to reports, this seems to be a regular thing when vaping COncentrates with the Evo, I'm just trying to figure out wether ill stick with my current oil guy or try some other dudes.

 

[Dabuisnez]

Ime up to 25% or so, but realistically between 4-10g of flower per g of rosin depending on flower quality/resin coverage

Thats my normal results. Best press was 1.2 gs of rosin from 4.5 bud.