Monsoon
Well-Known Member
If they're using off-the-shelf PID's like D-Nail is, there's only so many variations I guess. The one you linked to above is a bit more original looking though.
Cheap Chinese e-Nail thread
- Thread starter grokit
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VapourHaze
Rexcornish on IG, Vaping since '02
Anybody here recommend one of the cheap chinese enails or sellers? Cheers
grokit
well-worn member
This seems to be the hot direct from china setup lately, it comes with a flat coil & quartz hybrid dish:
http://www.dhgate.com/product/quart...kit-d-nail-dnail/376329298.html#mfavit-3-null
I use the above in a slightly different form factor and have no complaints
Dhgate also has this kit with the more traditional type of "barrel" coil, with a straight ti dish/nail:
http://www.dhgate.com/product/dnail-dabs-dnail-d-nail-d-nail-vaporizer/376188282.html#mfavit-4-null
http://www.dhgate.com/product/quart...kit-d-nail-dnail/376329298.html#mfavit-3-null
I use the above in a slightly different form factor and have no complaints
Dhgate also has this kit with the more traditional type of "barrel" coil, with a straight ti dish/nail:
http://www.dhgate.com/product/dnail-dabs-dnail-d-nail-d-nail-vaporizer/376188282.html#mfavit-4-null
Monsoon
Well-Known Member
Check the post directly above yours.
turdhole
vagabond
i guess 1 vote for it is better than none
herbivore21
Well-Known Member
Greetings my dabbing friends! I hope you have all enjoyed a great many dabs in my absence!
I just wanted to inquire with you guys who know your cheap Chinese products well - which cheap controller can be used with a genuine d-nail heater coil (ie: which cheap controller has the same XLR pin arrangement as a d-nail)?
I just wanted to inquire with you guys who know your cheap Chinese products well - which cheap controller can be used with a genuine d-nail heater coil (ie: which cheap controller has the same XLR pin arrangement as a d-nail)?
alittledabwilldoya'
Sapphire Powered Dabstronaut.
@herbivore21 Welcome back, I hope all is well!
Although it's not Chinese, it is cheap: http://www.auberins.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=45&products_id=459
I've used one for about 9 months or so and it's still going strong.
I'm currently using both a D-Nail flat coil and a D-Nail 20mm barrel coil with the RDK-200.
The 300 is sexier and boasts an auto-off function.
Although it's not Chinese, it is cheap: http://www.auberins.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=45&products_id=459
I've used one for about 9 months or so and it's still going strong.
I'm currently using both a D-Nail flat coil and a D-Nail 20mm barrel coil with the RDK-200.
The 300 is sexier and boasts an auto-off function.
Monsoon
Well-Known Member
I'll second the Auber too especially if you have a coil already. Plus if it breaks somehow you'll have warranty support.
herbivore21
Well-Known Member
Great stuff, sounds like just what the doctor ordered! Cheers to you and also @alittledabwilldoya' for the assist!
@alittledabwilldoya' Thanks for the welcome back brother! I'm doing well indeed! I hope you have also been most well sir
Monsoon
Well-Known Member
I'm happy to see you back here, I thought you might have left for good. There are lots of happy Sapphire Halo owners now thanks to youGreat stuff, sounds like just what the doctor ordered! Cheers to you and also @alittledabwilldoya' for the assist!
@alittledabwilldoya' Thanks for the welcome back brother! I'm doing well indeed! I hope you have also been most well sir
herbivore21
Well-Known Member
Thanks so much for the kind words my friend, great to see you are still about too! I'm so glad that I could help people have a chance to enjoy the sapphire haloI'm happy to see you back here, I thought you might have left for good. There are lots of happy Sapphire Halo owners now thanks to you
It has been such a wonderful thing to have for myself, especially since I have graduated to full-time full melt use and even started to move away from rosin
It sure was lonely singing sapphire's praises back when nobody else had gotten a chance to use one lol.I really should check out that thread and avoid derailing this one! I gotta say too, I'm happy that this thread was made, it makes so much sense to separate out cheap chinese enails and next gen enails. Much easier for people to find out what is the best of both and in many cases, easily find some such combination to use (ie: a nice expensive nail/coil with a cheap controller) as I'm sure many of you have!
SamuraiSam
Extraction Technician
Dnail XLR Pinout:
Pins 1 & 2 = AC Power
Pin 3 = Thermocouple +
Pin 4 = Thermocouple -
Pin 5 = Ground
I have a DIY box with an Auber PID running a D-nail heating coil, these are the pins used. There are other ways to wire e-nail heater coils on XLR plugs such as switching up the power & thermocouple pins, but the D-nail pinout has become the 'standard'.
Monsoon
Well-Known Member
So I'm curious, do you know what would happen if you were to mix up some of the pins, plug it in and turn it on?
SamuraiSam
Extraction Technician
Best case scenario it simply wouldn't work and all you have to do is rewire the back side of the XLR plug in the box to accommodate the other coil. Worst case scenario you could cook some components.
_WaxPayne_
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Baron23
Well-Known Member
Might be interested in this....chinese Greenlightvapes G9 LCD controller with Omron PID chipset and display assembly. $130 without nail and carb cap. $145 with Ti nail and cap. For one single unit shipping brought it up to $175 and I'm happy with Omron.
Ordered but not yet received.
It says its an avaition plug but it sure looks like a five pin XLR type. Can anybody help me on identifying the connector type (and did I screw up ordering this controller due to connector type?)
I have also ordered a CCA710 Liger Banger with SiC....not cheap but not the place to scrimp I believe.
Cheers and hope this is helpful.
P.S. One of our members answered me via PM:
yes, they use 5 pin XLR connector. They use the standard pin configuration too so any standard coils like Auber will work.
Ordered but not yet received.
It says its an avaition plug but it sure looks like a five pin XLR type. Can anybody help me on identifying the connector type (and did I screw up ordering this controller due to connector type?)
I have also ordered a CCA710 Liger Banger with SiC....not cheap but not the place to scrimp I believe.
Cheers and hope this is helpful.
P.S. One of our members answered me via PM:
yes, they use 5 pin XLR connector. They use the standard pin configuration too so any standard coils like Auber will work.
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Monsoon
Well-Known Member
I think you'll be happy with it. I actually chose the Omron over D-Nail since I prefer the look and function of the PID and from my experience and others' reports it seems to perform about the same in use
Baron23
Well-Known Member
Thanks...as far as I can tell, all these things really are is a power supply, a PID controller (or temp algorithm of your choice), and a display (yeah, and an on/off switch and interfacing connectors).
Rather like the chip sets in TC box mods (like the DNA200 or YiHi), I should think that the magic sauce is really in the temp controller chip so that's why I went with Omron. I don't know enough about them to say this is better than that...I was just advised that Omron was very good and so that's the way I went.
Thanks for the reply.
SamuraiSam
Extraction Technician
@Baron23 The e-nail you shared a photo of does indeed have a 5 pin XLR connector, If accurate temperature control is what you desire, check the specific components inside your e-nail control box and find the model number of the PID controller & whether there is a standalone SSR. You want an e-nail with a dedicated solid state relay, and a proportional integral derivative controller designed to output power to an SSR if accuracy with temperature control is desired.
Some e-nail builders use the EX variant of the Omron E5CC to simplify and save costs since you don't have to purchase or wire in a solid state relay. However the temperature control isn't going to be as accurate as an e-nail with a standalone SSR.
"There are 3 different types of e5cc. The RX that has just a mechanical relay output, The QX that has a DC out for controlling a SSR, and the CX(cant be used) which adjusts just a current output.
You can use either the RX like I did with no SSR by wiring AC HOT to PID pin1 and PID pin2 goes to AC HOT on the XLR. Neutral and Ground on the XLR go directly to the incoming AC.
Or you can use the QX if you have a compatible SSR (12V, 21mA max). PID pin1 is DC+ and pin2 is DC- to feed the input on the SSR.
Documentation: http://www.supertron.com.sg/images/e5cc-800-wire.jpg"
"I use the "E5CC-RX2ASM-800" and it's worked reliably for 6 months so far with no SSR. The only thing about using the built in mech relay is keeping the temp stable, it likes to fluctuate about +-10deg, but not a big deal. SSR versions are alot more steady, +-3deg."
https://www.reddit.com/r/CannabisEx...uilt_my_latest_enail_using_omron_e5cc_and_no/
Some e-nail builders use the EX variant of the Omron E5CC to simplify and save costs since you don't have to purchase or wire in a solid state relay. However the temperature control isn't going to be as accurate as an e-nail with a standalone SSR.
"There are 3 different types of e5cc. The RX that has just a mechanical relay output, The QX that has a DC out for controlling a SSR, and the CX(cant be used) which adjusts just a current output.
You can use either the RX like I did with no SSR by wiring AC HOT to PID pin1 and PID pin2 goes to AC HOT on the XLR. Neutral and Ground on the XLR go directly to the incoming AC.
Or you can use the QX if you have a compatible SSR (12V, 21mA max). PID pin1 is DC+ and pin2 is DC- to feed the input on the SSR.
Documentation: http://www.supertron.com.sg/images/e5cc-800-wire.jpg"
"I use the "E5CC-RX2ASM-800" and it's worked reliably for 6 months so far with no SSR. The only thing about using the built in mech relay is keeping the temp stable, it likes to fluctuate about +-10deg, but not a big deal. SSR versions are alot more steady, +-3deg."
https://www.reddit.com/r/CannabisEx...uilt_my_latest_enail_using_omron_e5cc_and_no/
Baron23
Well-Known Member
Wow, thanks for the info and I do, in a general way, understand what you are saying. So, even if they went with the EX, the relay is built into the assembly right? And is it a solid state relay...surely its not mechanical??? So, why is there a down side if the relay is built in (or is that like asking "why is the sun yellow....well, because it is hehe)
But I was looking to buy a control station, not a Heath Kit package (if you are as old as I am you will remember Heath Kits LOL). I'm not looking to build a control station and Greenlightvapes does not provide any more detail on the Omron module variant used that I can tell.
I have no idea what is in this G9, it was referred to me by someone who seems to be very experienced and is a beta tester for CCC710 and the Linger Banger so, price was right and I went for it.
Thanks for the input, unit is purchased but not arrived yet, and as this is my first enail, whatever it is I'm sure I will use it happily.
Wow, here is another one...even cheaper I think (less shipping and CA based retailer) with Omron E5CC but does not list variant so who knows.
http://www.highfivevape.com/products/omron-lcd-gold-enail
Cheers
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Monsoon
Well-Known Member
Interesting, I guess mine (Gimido) probably has an SSR since the temps are pretty accurate for me.
I think it just means your temps may sway a bit more to get to and stay on target.
@mrbonsai420 I'm guessing you're the member he's talking about, how's the temp accuracy on your e-nail unit?
SamuraiSam
Extraction Technician
Basically this, exactly. And actually yes, from what I understand, the -RX variant of the Omron E5CC uses a built-in mechanical relay. You can tell how your e-nail is setup if you open the case and check to see how its wired. If it looks like this
http://imgur.com/OaqH03L has the AC hot power wires going straight from the PID to the XLR port, and the XLR's neutral and ground go straight to the A/C plug (110v wall power) If this is your box then there's no standalone solid state relay.
The SSR essentially sits in between the PID and the coil, and is wired like this http://i.imgur.com/KK6VQn8.jpg
http://www.e-nail.org/Small-Solid-State-Relay-8A.html thats an example of a relay that could be used in an E-nail. If you have a small box like this with 4 wires then you've got a standalone SSR.
You should be able to notice the temperature swing if you pay attention to the PID display. From what I've read, e-nails with mechanical relays have a bit higher swing in temperature. Whether this matters to you is completely subjective!
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Baron23
Well-Known Member
HI Sam - thanks...I got it. So really use mechanical relays...wow, even if relay was built into the PID assembly, I would have thought it would be a solid state device and not an actual NO mech relay. But I work in fairly high tech industry and I sometimes think that all products are using the state of the art, which is clearly not so. Glad they aren't using an old analog pot to set temp with a rotary nob! (oh, wait...do some do? LOL).
Wow, I didn't know there was so little in one of these nails....basically the Omron assembly and an enclosure and mechanical interfaces. I thought there would be some sort of power supply in there and more provided by the integrator than just the box, switch, plugs. So, maybe next time I will try to build my own 'Heath kit'.
Certainly I can see when I get my unit is there is an external relay or not and will report back to the group.
Thanks again for time and education. Really appreciate it!
Ha, good guess
mine holds +- 2 or 3 degrees even with a fat dab, I believe has a separate SSR based on the accuracy. It holds MUCH better than any of my other 3 enails. The heat up time is faster as well. I could do a head to head to head with 3 different ones but there is no comparison. They all work well, that 1 is just a little better.The one on the far right is the Carlontech one on DHgate I got for my sister. She wanted an enail for around $100 and it came with a quartz halo knock off. 3 days later she came to me and asked why she didn't have a liger when I had 3 complete setups, a pile of inserts and 10 storm cell caps! I didn't have an answer so I gave her a 16mm coil, a 16mm liger, quartz insert and a cap. needless to say she LOVES it and said it was a huge improvement over the Chinese flat coil halo setup.
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