Okay, so my report with the passion flower and mullien will be a little usless to most of y'all, but when mixed with any amount of MDMA a SMALL amount of the combination of the two (I had less than a gram of the oils total) and it produces BEAUTIFUL visual distortions and insanely vivid, real awake day dreams.
Chamomile QWISO
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I am with you, darkrom. Don't know of many resources for usage with some of these herbs. I am quite impressed with my chamomile/lavender/extract oil. The herbs complement each other very well for evening use. I used a torch and sideshot to test my creation, 2 dabs and I was off to sleep. If there are any known sources for chamomile or lavender warnings, please post away. I always look forward to AV's input as he seems to be a wealth of knowledge for the entheogens. I am hoping that this new combo is safe for me to use, although, I need relief from my symptoms more than I really stress over side effects. I do not intend to become a "chronic" user. These herbs would seem to have less potential for negative impact than the clonazepam which calls to me from its jar.......
syrupy
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Also, when mixed with shatter, the chamomile seems to take the edge off the huge cannabinoid hit you get from a good dab.
Enjoy!
And this is a good thing how?
J/K. Nice find. When I tried to vape peppermint, the taste was overpowering. So it's good to hear that chamomile, even in concentrated form has a mild taste.
I figure as long as the herb is non-toxic, the essential oil is often ingested anyway and not a lung irritant, should be OK. That said I'm not sure vaping is the most efficient delivery system for all helpful herbs. I could see an advantage in that it allows a mix of herbs to be taken at once, where the herbs might clash in taste in a tea.
Have you thought of making capsules, or tincture from the qwiso product?
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Abysmal Vapor
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Dude you are mixing MDMA with MAOI and you are begging for the horrid serotonin syndrome.. What you experiencing is slowed metabolization of serotonin which can reach toxic levels.. If you ever experience forehead fever and sweating u r going into SS .
Update on the damiana oil .. i have yet to try wintering the damiana.. Taste was horrid when i did a room temp wash..
As far as toxicity of inhaling oils .. Most of the essential oils are meant for baths and inhalations and ever oral use under the supervision of a doctor.. There is and FDA list ofcourse,.. u can poison yourself from wormwood oil easily
... http://herbpedia.wikidot.com/
Here you can find info.. can't find the list... now.
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Essential oils are commonly added to food, and many are approved for this use by the FDA. All essential oils on the FDA GRAS list are approved for use in food. Nutmeg oil, dill seed oil, etc., have GRAS status in the USA, meaning they are Generally Regarded As Safe, and so they may be ingested.
Nutmeg powder contains a ton of trimyristin. This is known to cause liver damage. This is not found in the essential oil of nutmeg. The oil contains myristicin which protects the liver. So in this case the herb is more likely to cause liver damage than the essential oil is.
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herbivore21
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For the love of baby Jesus, please guys, do not mess around with your brain chemistry when using mdma, you may get a better high, but it may also give you a comedown not unlike menopause, or even worse, kill you. Please don't muck around with serotonin!
Also, chamomile is perfectly safe for our vaping purpose, I spent quite some time treeing through journals making sure of this! I would not be creating anything that my partner is going to consume without being super sure that it is safe!
Vape chamomile flowers through your solo too! Delicious! This is what gave my lovely lady the idea of making oil.
@syrupy I try to avoid tinctures, as I dislike consuming alcohol except for wine every now and then lol
I do love a chamomile latte though!
Also, chamomile is perfectly safe for our vaping purpose, I spent quite some time treeing through journals making sure of this! I would not be creating anything that my partner is going to consume without being super sure that it is safe!
Vape chamomile flowers through your solo too! Delicious! This is what gave my lovely lady the idea of making oil.
@syrupy I try to avoid tinctures, as I dislike consuming alcohol except for wine every now and then lol
I do love a chamomile latte though!
darkrom
Great Scott!
So I am not trying to be negative, but I don't think any/many of these herbs are tested for safe when heated and inhaled, just when taken whole etc.
An example that comes to mind is vegetable glycerin. Totally safe as is, toxic at certain temps.
I'm just playing devil's advocate here though just since I'm a cautious guy.
An example that comes to mind is vegetable glycerin. Totally safe as is, toxic at certain temps.
I'm just playing devil's advocate here though just since I'm a cautious guy.
After work that's barely getting me started. I'm not consuming mass dabs but constant vaping from the ride home till bed. If I don't do this...no sleep for me.
herbivore21
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Certainly. VG and PG and PEG all create polyaromatic hydrocarbons (carcinogens) when vaporized in ecig type setups. Remember, VG is a solvent though, we are dealing with fundamentally different kinds of chemicals here when we speak about chamomile qwiso/flowers.
I will add that I cannot and do not suggest that any of the other herbs mentioned are safe to vaporize. My knowledge does not extend this far, and I don't want to suggest people consume things that I am myself unsure about!
Goddamn, I really am usually the type to take this stuff into mind. I was even looking into oilatusha the other day. I have been busy and stressed beyond belief and just excited. Thank you for informing/reminding me of this.
Strangely,I did experience what I know recognize as SS, but it was every mild and went away after an hour and never bothered me again, only the sweats. And I get the sweats on pure MDMA, which this was, way. I'd also been on an opiate binge the week before, my so my brain chemistry was probably just barely recovered from that. I have done a lot of drugs in my short life and being aspergers/austic, I've noticed something. Drugs effect me very well. My brain takes them well. Never met a psyc I i didn't love. or an opiate. But I've always been able to stop. I've also been able to PULL MYSELF out of a trip of an eighth of mushrooms at a rave, plus .2 of coke laced fake molly, to go comfort a good friend who was having a bad trip. Lik4, I went from peaking to at least lucid enough to actually do am amazing job trip sitter, I've trip sat on three tabs of pure acid plus an extra quarter. My brain is wired so logically that I don't know how much normal brain chemistry changers for me, because I have very different drug experience than many.
Interestingly, my girlfriend is epileptic and probably aspergers/autistic and took just about as much molly as me, maybe .05 less, but did a lot more passionflower oil and has NOTHING like the SS symptoms I had. None. Her entire experience was perfect.
I'm not making excuses for my actions or trying to validate them, I am giving you the complete scenario to get a fully informed response from you. I genuinely want to know and learn.
darkrom
Great Scott!
momofthegoons
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@dwc3232 You need to take this discussion somewhere else. Discussion of hard drugs is not allowed on this forum.
Abysmal Vapor
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Sure there are.. but just wanna mention that these things called psychedelics might be the next medical marijuana (which alone is considered psychedelic ) ... They are giving psylocibin to patients who experienced brain surgeries such as tumor removal because it regrows ganglium (brain tissue)..
I am getting lately deep in shrooms.. and i feel great.. such peace and comfort and my sleep gets improved.. and also i can say that mj is harder on my mind than shrooms, having in mind that the dosage is what makes the poison..
Anyway enough about that.. on this forum
.. but i hope in the near future that those tiny wonders are relieved from the bad name junkies give to everything...First and foremost I would like to apologize, my intention was not to break any rules or to steer the discussion in any direction. I was simply stating my full experience thus far with the product and the conditions under which they occurred. I will say, I have tried the passionflower and chamomile mix, along with cannabis alone, several times since and gotten visuals again, leading me to believe there is something to it.
Again, I apologize and hope this, as well as my promise that this will not happen again, as a suffice. If anyone would like to continue this discussion, please contact me in private chat and we may be able to find a venue other than FC for said discussion.
Sure there are.. but just wanna mention that these things called psychedelics might be the next medical marijuana (which alone is considered psychedelic ) ... They are giving psylocibin to patients who experienced brain surgeries such as tumor removal because it regrows ganglium (brain tissue)..
I am getting lately deep in shrooms.. and i feel great.. such peace and comfort and my sleep gets improved.. and also i can say that mj is harder on my mind than shrooms, having in mind that the dosage is what makes the poison..
Anyway enough about that.. on this forum
https://www.facebook.com/mapsmdma/p...15078468480/10152333244408481/?type=1&theater
He's right. I also follow MAPS and they have lots of interesting studies going on. I recently read an article on Reddit about MDMA assisted psychotherapy for CJ Hardin, a former army sergeant suffering from PTSD. I'm interested in trying something for my depression. It has to be better than all the birth defect cancer meds the FDA claims safe.
herbivore21
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MDMA was showing some promise in research before UN conventions made it much harder to use in research. Subsequently, we have seen glimpses of this promise in the drastically reduced amount of literature on the topic that has come out since.
momofthegoons
vapor accessory addict
Okay... guys seriously... what part of no discussion about hard drugs is it that you aren't understanding?
I've asked once and wont ask again. Continued conversation about hard drugs will get you a warning point. If you have a problem with forum rules and policies, please take it up with management via pm.
Please don't make me break out the whip...
I've asked once and wont ask again. Continued conversation about hard drugs will get you a warning point. If you have a problem with forum rules and policies, please take it up with management via pm.
Please don't make me break out the whip...
herbivore21
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I'm sorry momofthegoons! That was completely my oversight!
herbivore21
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yes, I did freeze both and I always use 100% ISO