Cannabis smoking 'permanently lowers IQ'

VWFringe

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Poochka, I took what Quetzalcoatl said as being a reflection of what I'd said, being able to remember details from kindergarten like I can (with my OCD-enhanced ADHD memory hahahaha)
I hope I took it the right way.

Quetzalcoatl, I saw the movie "The Chilling Effect" by Siobhan Reynolds, so I can understand the chronic pain you're describing, and know doctors must be hard to find who are willing to prescribe opiates long term - fucked up society we live in when sick people can't be seen because the man's been busy justifying their pay-check (and had to brain wash society in the process). Fuckin-A, good luck to you!
 
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Poochka

Member
read Quetzalcoat's post last night, a little too baked to do any reply but all i can say is try to stay away from the pills and stick with cannabis as much as possible. its hard to imaging being in that much pain and not being able to be treated successfully. hang in there and some doc will have an answer for you. maybe not a doc from the US but somewhere. ever try acupuncture? i would.

a few years ago i had some soft tissue damage to the neck and one doctor out of many prescribed synthetic opiates. pretty big white pill shaped like a capsule. the "doc" said take as many as you need as often as you need to. they wont cause any problems. he was wrong. after a while they didn't do much other than make me sleep. when i tried to quit, he said no problem there either just stop taking them. he was wrong. when i tried to sleep my body would convulse and the wife kicked me out of bed to the couch. had to go back on the med and taper off. this is the last time i took any script for pain.

had 12 Vicodin from the dentist and ended up flushing them when they expired. other than Tylenol, i don't take any over the counter stuff either. one prescribed pill for another problem a few times a week when i wake up. supposed to take it every day but with cannabis its only need 3 or 4 times a week.
 
Poochka,

Quetzalcoatl

DEADY GUERRERO/DIRT COBAIN/GEORGE KUSH
(I realize I kinda de-railed this thread so I'll add a bit at the end that is relevant to the thread)

Ahaha, stay away from pills... they're honestly the only thing that motivate me to keep going. I've had a taste of pretty much every opiate (with the exception of oxymorphone) and I'm on one of the weaker-end ones right now. Both doctors have expressed concerns about my long-term health, mentally and physically, as my joint pain isn't my only problem, but for now it's the main problem. I wish so badly that I could just use cannabis but my situation and level of pain just don't allow for it. I do, however, find that if I am good about my dosing and such, that I can take about 50% of my total prescribed dose if I use cannabis and some other meds as well (synergy/potentiation basically.)

I can use yesterday as an example kind of... woke up around 7.30am, took 10mg hydrocodone, 25mg promethazine, and a trench of indica through the ashcatcher+glass around 9am. I ended up passing out for most of the afternoon because I forgot I should have only taken half of the promethazine pill and I got really really sleepy around noon. Thankfully I had nothing to do till around 6, which is when the promethazine wore off, so I took another 10mg hydrocodone, a trench of ~25% sativa 75% indica, went out and walked my dog, came back for dinner, more indica, and fell asleep. If I can pay attention to what I'm doing, I can kinda "boost" the analgesic effects through more than the 3-4 hours that I can expect from it... right now for example, I took another 10mg pill just before 8, and it's now 45 minutes after that. I can feel the opiate working on me because my mind stopped registering the pain in my hands, right elbow, hips, and knees.

I'll be leaving the house in just under an hour to go see my specialist. We'll see how my bloodwork came out (I'm betting on it being perfect, again...) and go from there. Get some stuff refilled, or new scripts or whatever... referral to a place that does some cutting-edge genetics work to see if I can pass this on... if I can I probably (definitely) won't have kids. I can hardly imagine myself having to go through my life like this, much less my own flesh and blood.

I wasn't kidding either when I said I'll probably spend the rest of my life on pills, either. As of right now my prescriptions include an opiate, prescription NSAID, anti-nausea, migraine meds, and an emergency steroid "dose pack." My specialist, a guy who's been working in his field for the better part of 30something years, when he had me perform some stretches, he actually said "wow" a few times. He was pretty frank about it when he said that he believed that it wouldn't be a "curable" thing and summed it up along the lines of "...so the main focus of our appointments will be treating your symptoms and keeping you comfortable."

The problem... is that I have a fair bit of symptoms for one disease, and then some symptoms of another disease... both are bad, and probably no good when I get both at the same time...
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So, relevance to the thread, for some people I think it doesn't matter if they "permanently lose a few IQ points" if it improves their life that much. For me, it helps. For others, it's their version of my Vicodin.

You really have to sit down and be honest with yourself. What makes you feel better at the end of the day? Does cannabis improve your quality of life enough to "justify" "risking" those points? Can the results be taken to heart?

Personally I feel like the combo of pills and cannabis does a pretty damn good job for me. Better than either of them by themselves for sure. Maybe that's not the case for everyone else, but it is for me.
 
Quetzalcoatl,

Poochka

Member
as far as IQ goes, i'm at a point in life where maintaining the status quo is the objective. three more years and retirement, i hope.
 
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Bart

Well-Known Member
Compared to pharmaceuticals I would definitely say mj is less damaging to iq.
I know pain very well but refuse opiates except in extreme emergency such as surgery.
Stay away from the synthetics. Especially tramadol. The withdrawl is worse than anything you can imagine.
After my accident I was on Demerol for a long time and getting off it was a cake walk compared to what tramadol did to me after 6 weeks.
 
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Vicki

Herbal Alchemist
Compared to pharmaceuticals I would definitely say mj is less damaging to iq.
I know pain very well but refuse opiates except in extreme emergency such as surgery.
Stay away from the synthetics. Especially tramadol. The withdrawl is worse than anything you can imagine.
After my accident I was on Demerol for a long time and getting off it was a cake walk compared to what tramadol did to me after 6 weeks.

I have chronic pain, and take Tramadol on a daily basis. I also supplement MMJ.
 
Vicki,

Bart

Well-Known Member
The secret to stopping tramadol is to remove 1 pill from your daily routine each week till you get down to 3 then remove 1/2 each week till done. Took me three months to get off a med I only took for 6 weeks when my back went out really bad.
Even then I went thru withdrawl symptoms. But nothing like the cold turkey I tried originally.
Now I just leave pharma alone. Real pain is preferable to withdrawl pain.
I have three degenerative discs in my back. Sometimes feels like knees and hips are broken.
I accept the limited relief of mj and white knuckle through the rest of it.
Someday my state will legalize and I'll have access to concentrates which might give more relief
 
Bart,

Vicki

Herbal Alchemist
Right now, I'm taking Tramadol three times daily. There are days I wake up puking, and unable to take anything by mouth all day, sometimes longer. I have never had withdrawl. I just start taking the Tramadol (along with my other meds) when I'm feeling well enough to do so. I'd rather take Tramadol than Methadone. Methadone withdrawl was my hell, and I did it cold turkey in my own home.
 
Vicki,

Bart

Well-Known Member
If only three a day it might not be bad. I was taking 2 every four hours as prescribed. Dr told me it was non narcotic and I'd be able to work. Now I research the hell out of anything.
I just prefer the natural. Chronic pain sucks.
 
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Technical Skeptical
the thought of people believing a study conducted on only 38 drug users makes me feel stupider. :(
 
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