Cancer spread to my lungs

[RobG]

Hey guys, I just wanted to put this out there and see if any of you had some knowledge you could share with me as far as vapor and carcinogens. Any and all info is appreciated!

For a little background, I lost my leg to cancer 3 years ago. The most likely place for the cancer to recur was my lungs. Needless to say I have been pretty careful about how I treat my lungs since that time. I moved to edibles and vaping and cut out smoking altogether.

After being cancer free for 3 years, a few months ago we found a cancer nodule in my lungs. I had it immediately removed and am doing fine, but was curious to know if anyone has any research about cannabis vapor and how it affects the lungs. My herbalizer arrives today and I am really excited about it, but I also want to make sure that I am not causing myself more harm than good by using it.

To be clear, this isn't lung cancer, it is cancer that has now metastasized to my lungs (or at least one nodule has popped up and been removed). Any other cancer survivors out there have any knowledge on the subject?

Thanks and stay well!

 

[Vicki]

I hope you stay well and cancer free!

 

[Jethro]

I think it's going to be difficult to find any real information about the health risks of vaporizing cannabis. The closest you are going to come is nicotine and non-nicotine e-cigs, and the FDA has not released any information to date about them. As yet they are not regulated by the FDA. It is bound to happen at some point due to the popularity of them, but right now it's all subjective. Your best bet is to keep your eye on news about e-cigs and the FDA.

http://www.fda.gov/newsevents/publichealthfocus/ucm172906.htm

Good luck in your battle against cancer! CANCER SUCKS

Also wanted to add, the 2nd of the big 3 tobacco companies- RJ Reynolds- is releasing to the public their e-cig next week. This will undoubtedly push the FDA to examine the risks with vaporizing anything which will give us more insight on the use of cannabis.

http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2014-06-17/big-tobacco-keeps-pushing-into-e-cigarettes

 

[PoisonousHydra]

For what it is worth, I will send positive energy in your direction!

We are currently engaged in a fairly active discussion about the toxic contents of vapour in this thread: http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/is-there-tar-in-vapor.14505.

 

[CG420]

I am glad you bought an Herbalizer. This will inevitably give you more control over your consumption and health precautions. I would stay around the low temp (370-392) to prevent irritation to the lungs. I don't know exactly if vapor could cause more problems to your body than it already has. If I had the notion that my lungs are hurting or possibly irritated then I would skip out for a day or two and just resort to a sleeping pill to help me get through the night. The edibles are a way to go especially if you are capable of waiting for effects to rise as well as knowing your correct dosage will benefit much more than vaping herbs. Keep beating cancer buddy!

 

[RobG]

@Vicki @Jethro @PoisonousHydra @CG420 Thanks guys! And thanks for the good suggestion Jethro. I'll definitely keep an eye on that stuff. The way I am approaching it right now is to keep it on lower temps and cook with the ABV material like CG420 mentioned.

And I'll check out that thread now PoisonHydra. Interested to see the discussion.

Thanks for the well wishes! Cancer does suck, but I just stay positive and don't worry about it. Whatever is going to happen is going to happen. We just need to concentrate on the things that are in our control. Like getting the Herbalizer. Haha.

 

[VaporsVaporizer]

I have no answers for you, but wanted to wish you well. Sounds like you have a really positive attitude, given your circumstances . I have lung issues and my only advice is keep the vapor temp low, so there's no coughing at all if possible.

 

[CG420]

Stay active, running or walking it doesn't matter. If nature is there waiting for you then take it as a remedy to keep the negatives away. The brain works in miraculous ways and placebo definitely is a huge role of that. Thinking this cancer will stay away is never enough. Use the Earth as a natural remedy. If you balance the way you medicate and regularly exercise regardless of your motivation you will see a major difference from just medicating trying to relieve yourself. Eventually you will trick your mind into thinking everything is at peace and your body will produce the energy necessary to induce and maintain recovery. Plus the lungs need exercise and in a way I assume it cleanses them by cycling fresh air. I always enjoy being out and active while high. It's the reasons why I quit smoking in general. Nobody wants to fight their lungs for air and smoking did that to me a few years back. Not saying everyone will be in the same position as I was if they don't exercise but it wouldn't hurt to try sometimes.

 

[syrupy]

Have you considered using Rick Simpson Oil as a possible treatment? I ask because for some people it appears to shrink tumors.

 

[Vapewithfire]

I have no real facts, all i can say is, that i´m vaping for 10 years and never had any problem with it. Still feels clean and healthy, my lung. No tar, no blood, no pain.

Smoking nearly killed me, tar or blood coming out of my lung, pain and more.

I think you will like your vape, most i met, like it very much, including me.

Only problem, some have, that they get high by vaping, but not really stoned.
It is, because, vaping with low temperature often just gives you all the thc, but not as much cbd and co. as smoking. Smoking gives you all the cb. and also converts some thc into cb., i red. This gives you what some call the "body high" or couch look high. I call it the indica high ( more cb. ).

When they keep on smoking, because of it, this can become a serious and dangerous problem. I met at least 2 of them.

When you should miss something like that, you can trie vaping on higher temperature ( but not too high somewhere at 230° celsius toxic substances can rise, i red ). Years ago, i wanted the most stoned way of vaping and vaped at 300 ° celsius, but this is definately too high and may be toxic, don´t really know.

That´s why i started to vape at normal temp 200 °, but twice. This seems to be much cleaner than very high temp vaping, ans also gives me, what i want.

Eventually you don´t need this body high, sativa fans seem to love it, but when you are disappointed from your vape effect, remember and trie this.

Also i recommend you to start with a low dose, vaping can give you up to 300 % thc compared to smoking bong, i red. Some don´t like vaping, because they vaped, too much. One i met, sold his vape and started smoking again, because he was too stoned. Just too much, less clear and pleasant for some.
I use 50 to 100 mg at one bowl.

Good luck with your health.
Even when it comes back:

At least you have
good medicine ( weed & Vape )
much better healing methods than 20 years ago
millions with nearly the same problem
chances of a pleasant life, even with cancer

Important is to eat enough natural food, like vegatables, fruits or salads.
Also you should trie to have a nice time, because i red good mood is a good medicine, at great mood, even can kill / heal cancer, i red.

 

[thisperson]

I just wanted to point out an error in your text.

There is no way that 300% of THC is deliverable. Unless you were talking about some terpenes which amplify the effects of THC but then you're talking about effective dose based on percentages of the delivered THC. It would be a stretch but I could see it like this.

No, the quantity of THC that is delivered does not change and will never be more than 100%. Rather the bong delivers less than 100% THC. But the bong does not deliver 100% and the vape 300%.

I guess it could also be that you are saying that vaping delivers 3x as more THC than combusting the same quantity. Which for all I know could be true. Since I know there aren't things in vape smoke.

It's kind of hard to read your posts just because your grammar isn't that great.

I'd like to know how you quantify your doses. Just curious.

 

[Vapewithfire]

I just wanted to point out an error in your text.

There is no way that 300% of THC is deliverable. Unless you were talking about some terpenes which amplify the effects of THC but then you're talking about effective dose based on percentages of the delivered THC. It would be a stretch but I could see it like this.

No, the quantity of THC that is delivered does not change and will never be more than 100%. Rather the bong delivers less than 100% THC. But the bong does not deliver 100% and the vape 300%.

It's kind of hard to read your posts just because your grammar isn't that great.

I'd like to know how you quantify your doses. Just curious.

My grammar isn´t that great, because it is not my 1. language.

I don´t mean, that the thc content of the weed is changing.
I mean, when you smoke, a lot of thc gets destroyed by the heat ( 800 ° celsius or more ), and some thc gets converted into cb. It burns too fast.

The bioavailability ( thc in blood ) of vapes is up to 500 % higher, than smoked, i red.

I red that a lot of bong smokers don´t get more than 20 % of the thc.
A lot of joint smokers get under 10 % of thc, they wrote.
Some vapers get up to 90 % thc, when they wait before exhaling, i red.

It depends on how you vape, and how long you keep it in your lung.
When you vape a big bowl ( 100 mg ) and exhale it quickly, you can see the thc you have exhaled.
I heard up to 80 % can get lost, when you exhale immediately. Vapour is clean and not sticky, it sticks not in your lung, like smoke.

May be it´s like that,

100 mg bowl vaped with one long puff, after

1 second 10 % thc ( in blood )
2 seconds 20 %
3 seconds 30 % ...

100 mg bowl vaped with two short puffs, after first puff ( 50 % )

1 second 20 % thc
2 seconds 40 % thc
3 seconds 60 % thc

All guezzwork.

When you vape twice, you have not that much thc in your lung, when you exhale now early, much less is lost, i guezz

 

[olivianewtonjohn]

I think the low temp recommendation makes sense. I believe routinely causing cell damage could lead to inflammation which I believe is a risk factor for cancer.

I havent looked into this enough now that I think about it.

 

[RobG]

I havent looked into this enough now that I think about it.

Yeah, it seems like there hasn't been much research into this area. But the low temps definitely does seem to be safer. It's only logical that the closer you get to combustion the more harmful chemicals and effects are released. Either way I'm sure it's better than smoking, but I do wish there were some actual and reliable numbers out there for it.

I go in for another scan soon, so maybe that can be our test. If cancer is continuing to pop up in my lungs then I'll be sure and let y'all know, although it wouldn't necessarily be related. This stuff I had was nasty and aggressive, so it could just be that it is trying to get another foothold since I chopped off it's home base.

 

[VaporsVaporizer]

Yeah, it seems like there hasn't been much research into this area. But the low temps definitely does seem to be safer. It's only logical that the closer you get to combustion the more harmful chemicals and effects are released. Either way I'm sure it's better than smoking, but I do wish there were some actual and reliable numbers out there for it.

I go in for another scan soon, so maybe that can be our test. If cancer is continuing to pop up in my lungs then I'll be sure and let y'all know, although it wouldn't necessarily be related. This stuff I had was nasty and aggressive, so it could just be that it is trying to get another foothold since I chopped off it's home base.

There's no way to know if metastasized cancer is from vaping, since metastasized cancer will have the same molecular structure as the primary cancer. You've already stated that your lung cancer is not primary, it's leg, which i assume is osteosarcoma, chrondrosarcoma, soft tissue sarcoma or possibly melanoma. Correct me if i'm wrong.

There's just no evidence or scientific studies yet on vaping and cancer.
Wishing you clear scans

 

[RobG]

There's no way to know if metastasized cancer is from vaping, since metastasized cancer will have the same molecular structure as the primary cancer. You've already stated that your lung cancer is not primary, it's leg, which i assume is osteosarcoma, chrondrosarcoma, soft tissue sarcoma or possibly melanoma. Correct me if i'm wrong.

There's just no evidence or scientific studies yet on vaping and cancer.
Wishing you clear scans

Yep! Mine was a soft tissue, synovial sarcoma. I figure it metastasized because it was going to metastasize, but I just want to try to be careful and not dump an extra large amount of cancer causing carcinogens into my body on top of everything else!

Thanks for the well wishes!

 

[VaporsVaporizer]

Yep! Mine was a soft tissue, synovial sarcoma. I figure it metastasized because it was going to metastasize, but I just want to try to be careful and not dump an extra large amount of cancer causing carcinogens into my body on top of everything else!

Thanks for the well wishes!

Absolutely !! If you're in a medical state, maybe you could try tinctures or edibles to avoid any chance of inhaled carcinogens .

 

[thisperson]

Have you tried Rick Simpson Oil for your cancer? I remember reading that that is very effective in tumor reduction and I saw pictures of a man who controlled his skin cancer by applying weed oil to it on bandages. I want to say he was completely cured.

http://www.cureyourowncancer.org/

If I were you I would just start an oil regime of that and eat oil to get baked/healthy. I've eaten oil to try it out and it does get you very baked much quicker than an edible. It helps if you put it to your gums or under the tongue if you want to get baked. I think you just eat it if you want to get cured.

Hope you survive cancer again OP.

 

[RobG]

Have you tried Rick Simpson Oil for your cancer? I remember reading that that is very effective in tumor reduction and I saw pictures of a man who controlled his skin cancer by applying weed oil to it on bandages. I want to say he was completely cured.

http://www.cureyourowncancer.org/

If I were you I would just start an oil regime of that and eat oil to get baked/healthy. I've eaten oil to try it out and it does get you very baked much quicker than an edible. It helps if you put it to your gums or under the tongue if you want to get baked. I think you just eat it if you want to get cured.

Hope you survive cancer again OP.

I'll look into that! @syrupy mentioned it as well. Thanks for the link!

 

[Ice]

I have or (had...hopefully) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schwannomatosis

Although you might not consider it a cancer because it isn't necessarily metastatic from what I understand through reading all about it and neurofibromatosis type 1, 2 etc...

I had this tumor called a schwannoma in my thoracic spine growing off a peripheral nerve IN my spinal column that was also pressing against my spinal cord. My surgeons or rather I found it because I was having other mechanical problems related to sport and I first asked the doctor to do a cervical spine MRI but nothing was shown, we then did a thoracic spine MRI, much to the doctors dislike...but I made him order it anyway. They then found the tumor and I was shortly seen by a neurosurgeon. In complete shock already I am further told that my risks of having a heart attack or being paraplegic were high if I was to prolong what I thought was the inevitable (removal of the tumor). So needless to say it happened quite quickly Oct 2011.

What I am trying to say is that with the knowledge that I acquired as of the past year now has made me regret my decision even though it is in the past and some what childish to think like this. Mostly because I've found through a particular way of eating I could reverse and even kill tumor growth entirely.

This knowledge has led me to a plant based diet (vegan), the best decision I have ever made in my life.
It was a huge process for me to get on board because I had many concerns and reservations and did plenty of research before fully committing.


In conclusion I am saying that you should start with thinking about your food intake as the cause of carcinogenic and/or poor health. No one else will tell you this because it is VERY OBVIOUS but it also may be the hardest thing for a person to do because food is so personal to us and rightfully so. Make better choices my friend, at 23 and now being 26 years old I was taking my health for granted, not ever truly knowing what REAL health was...until now.

There is lots of good real, authentic, transparent and caring people on youtube that I follow for advice, information, motivation and more.

The Light Twins, Bananiac, Durianrider, Freelee The Banana Girl are the people that I can personally recommend because I've seen ALL of these guys videos. There are some bad eggs though for sure, some are just sincerely misinformed. REAL EYES REALIZE REAL LIES.

 

[weedemon]

stick to the lower temperatures imo. the closer you go to combustion the more/closer you get to unwanted by products.

btw the herbie is great! good choice.

 

[Tommy Dukes]

I'm not a doctor, nor do I have cancer; however, I have been using vaporizers to vape my cannabis and can tell there is a significant difference between smoking it and vaporizing it on my lungs. Although smoking is sometimes more convenient, with vaporizing, you can actually get a more concentrated inhalation of THC using less herb. Doctors also always recommend it.

If you follow Cheech and Chong at all, Chong was actually cured of cancer by taking a combination of marijuana supplements and proper diet.

More here: http://www.theguardian.com/film/2013/may/13/cheech-and-chong-star-claims-cannabis-cure-cancer

Good luck with your fight!

 

[AlexisSmith67]

Stay safe and Cancer Free - Keep your thoughts positive and your body will follow

I'm not a doctor, nor do I have cancer; however, I have been using vaporizers to vape my cannabis and can tell there is a significant difference between smoking it and vaporizing it on my lungs. Although smoking is sometimes more convenient, with vaporizing, you can actually get a more concentrated inhalation of THC using less herb. Doctors also always recommend it.

If you follow Cheech and Chong at all, Chong was actually cured of cancer by taking a combination of marijuana supplements and proper diet.

More here: http://www.theguardian.com/film/2013/may/13/cheech-and-chong-star-claims-cannabis-cure-cancer

Good luck with your fight!

I find personally I prefer vaping over any sort of combustion as I can literally feel my fleshly pink esophagus be burnt by the harshness of the smoke. I find I might get more baked with a joint but maybe that is just the effects of the carbon monoxide from the smoke. None the less I believe that should be a balance between natural medicine and more westernized medicine - not too much of one extreme.

But then again, I have no experience in the matter and it's just my opinion - just do what works for you!
But i will say vaping over smoking if you are worried about the damage to your lungs

 

[weedemon]

i saw a news article that specifically stated that smoking marijuana reduces the risk of lung cancer. sorry i cant remember where i saw it though.

I would think that vaping would be even better since you don't get all those unwanted by products.

 

[photobooth]

I think a very large issue is that there are very few places in the world where scientists are able to study the medical impacts of cannabis properly. This inherently limits the amount of reliable peer-reviewed research on the subject unfortunately. But I agree that the best method of ingesting THC would be the one with the smallest impact on the body to process. I would lean towards edibles, tinctures etc so you aren't stressing your lungs any more than necessary. But I also wouldn't worry too much about vaporizing either.