Boycott Openvape

[Nunavut Tripper]

For everyones info Openvape is now planning to drug test their employees.

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/op...employees-for-dangerous-drug-abuse-2014-04-17

I can't believe they would be so foolish and hypocritical to try a stunt like this .
Myself and friends are boycotting Openvape and everyone else should too.
Send them a message that this affront to our personal liberties will not go unnoticed.

 

[Bouldorado]

Sounds like they're just testing for "dangerous drugs" and not cannabis.

Still pretty stupid though- as long as worker productivity is unaffected, what the employee does on his/her personal time should not be a concern of the employer.

 

[Magic9]

I'm all for a good boycott, but I don't see the problem. They're testing for dangerous, illegal drugs.

"We don't want any misconceptions about the goals of our company. We promote wellness and a healthy lifestyle," Mitchem said. "Dangerous drugs have no place in the workplace, and we maintain the right to drug test any of our employees. But we accept a person's right to choose cannabis for recreation or medicinal benefit."

 

[Nunavut Tripper]

Yes they're looking for hard drugs not cannabis but that's not the point.
Myself and most cannabis lovers are fed up with big brothers intrusion into our lives.
Many cannabis lovers have been victimized by drug testing zealots.
There's no way I'd support the piss tasting industry in any way shape or form as they lobby to keep cannabis illegal and so we all suffer.

The molecules in my piss are nobody's business but mine and my doctor.

You'd think a vape company would be smart enough not to offend their client base and employees.

 

[Bouldorado]

Do you understand why companies drug test? Owners and managers don't care what their employees do on their personal time, it's just that some of those activities can have legal ramifications for the business.

Take for example, a truck driver who vapes on nights/weekends. He may not be [significantly] inebriated while driving, but that's very difficult to determine from a drug test. If he's at fault in a traffic incident he'll likely be drug tested. He'll test positive for THC and the insurance company could refuse a settlement, which can be financially devastating for smaller businesses. Even larger firms that could absorb the financial shock realize it's more cost-effective to simply drug test their employees.

Bottom line: drug testing is due to liability issues and is not necessarily an attack on your personal life.

 

[Nunavut Tripper]

"Take for example, a truck driver who vapes on nights/weekends. He may not be [significantly] inebriated while driving, but that's very difficult to determine from a drug test. If he's at fault in a traffic incident he'll likely be drug tested. He'll test positive for THC and the insurance company could refuse a settlement, which can be financially devastating for smaller businesses. Even larger firms that could absorb the financial shock realize it's more cost-effective to simply drug test their employees."


Exactly, you see how the insurance companies,piss tasters manipulate us and each other.

You've explained the legal mechanism's of company testing but I'm concerned about the moral and human rights of piss testing.
Follow the money trail.

 

[Bouldorado]

Insurance works as a pool; everyone pays in, but not everyone gets a payout. If insurance companies were forced to pay settlements to every incident that involved a positive drug/alcohol test, they would either a) go bankrupt or b) charge ridiculously high rates.

Also do you really want that trucker ripping a bong or a meth pipe while cruising at 80 mph? I certainly don't. I see enough shitty drivers on the road and they're probably dead-sober. Many drug/alcohol users are very responsible- it's just unfortunate the small minority of irresponsible ones have fucked it up for the rest.

 

[lwien]

I see absolutely no problem with this testing.

A business has every right to protect itself from possible litigation as well as every right to set performance standards for their employees.........both of which could be negatively implicated by the use of any mind altering substance, including cannabis.

Myself and most cannabis lovers are fed up with big brothers intrusion into our lives.

I don't know if that's true but if it is, it's probably due to cannabis induced paranoia.

 

[mestizo]

Why is the company business to know what I do in the privacy of my home? We are not talking about being high, or drunk on the job. There are a few things that are more distracting in the work place than what people do on weekends.

 

[lwien]

Why is the company business to know what I do in the privacy of my home? We are not talking about being high, or drunk on the job.

But I think we are. Lets just talk about cannabis for a bit. I know that there are a LOT of people who use cannabis on a regular basis but would never use it when at work. I was one of those, but let me ask you a question. Of those that do use cannabis more than just on an infrequent basis, what percentage of those would you say use it at work as well? And then, extrapolate that same question out to other drugs such as cocaine, speed, etc etc.

 

[mestizo]

I really don't know, tell you the truth.
I have a problem when a person that uses cannabis like once a week, then he is ask to take a piss test in the middle of the week, if he fails he gets suspended for a minimum of 6 weeks, and has to pay for anti drug classes. He loses all that income for what? At the same time an alcoholic can get away with it as long as he doesn't drink on the job.
That's what happens in the industry I work for.

 

[lwien]

I really don't know, tell you the truth.
I have a problem when a person that uses cannabis like once a week, then he is ask to take a piss test in the middle of the week, if he fails he gets suspended for a minimum of 6 weeks, and has to pay for anti drug classes. He loses all that income for what? At the same time an alcoholic can get away with it as long as he doesn't drink on the job.
That's what happens in the industry I work for.

Understood. With alcohol, they can test how much alcohol is in your system to test for intoxication. They need to develop a test to do this for cannabis as well.

With the inevitability of legalized recreational marijuana, these kinds of tests will become mandatory.

But back to the OP's original peeve and that was drug testing for other drugs other than cannabis, eh?

 

[mestizo]

You are right lwien, it was about other drugs, I derailed the thread because of past memories at work.

 

[Nunavut Tripper]

You are right lwien, it was about other drugs, I derailed the thread because of past memories at work.

I'm surprized that on such a pro cannabis forum that so many would roll over for the man and let him delve into every private aspect of your life.

You may change your mind if you were let go or penalized because of a false positive result.
The urine tests are worst for accuracy. Don't be eating any poppy seed bagels and stay away from the Johnson's Baby Oil which will make you test positive for THC.

George Orwell was right on wasn't he ?

 

[lwien]

Achhhh..........

The "man" stopped being the man for me a very long time ago.....

 

[mestizo]

Personally, I wish the company I work for was more like Openvape, praising responsible cannabis use. As far as the other drugs, I don't partake of them anymore. I still feel an invasion of your privacy to drug test you on the workplace if you do it on your on time, and show up to work sober, but like lwien is saying, how many of those hard drugs users really respect do that?

 

[Nunavut Tripper]

Personally, I wish the company I work for was more like Openvape, praising responsible cannabis use. As far as the other drugs, I don't partake of them anymore. I still feel an invasion of your privacy to drug test you on the workplace if you do it on your on time, and show up to work sober, but like lwien is saying, how many of those hard drugs users really respect do that?

The problem is the drug testing companies need marijuana testing – whether it’s for marijuana or so-called ‘dangerous drugs.’ ‘Urine testing finds nothing, ‘Cocaine and heroin are eliminated within a day, alcohol within eight hours.
It’s ineffective, inefficient and degrading, and is no replacement for adequate management and employee supervision. It’s the tool for tools who don’t have the skills to run a company.’”
In a civilized society I want to be judged on the quality of my work not the quality of my piss.

So Lwien ,if you could give me your address I'm gong to drop by your house and inspect all your personal "stuff " . As you have no expectation of privacy I'm sure you won't mind. I'm warning you though,if I find any of your belongings that I don't approve of then you're out of a job and going straight to jail.

The drug tasting companies lobby for harsh marijuana laws in order to support their business model.
You could be a victim of these cruel laws if you haven't already. I have been a victim.
They are just greedy businesses not in the least concerned about your human rights.

 

[Philreal187]

I do overstand the liability issues and why companies wanna protect themselves by doing drug testing. But I stand by @Nunavut Tripper when he said this is more of a moral, liberty and freedom issue and the best way to boycott what you don't believe in is to vote with you dollar. I will not take a job that wants to piss test b/c i feel that i have the freedom to do as i please with the plants found on this earth. I am someone who has used before and during and after work, but i have come to realize now that i just really like to use after work, i feel more clear minded and focused sober at work.

I have received a DUI in PA for getting pulled over for a "faulty tail light". The cop caught the smell of my beat bowl (this is when i still smoked most of the time.) Found the bowl which was empty since i finished it after work before i left. What happen was they forced me to draw blood to determine the thc level in my blood. He did say there is a max level before it is considered to effecting you. So what i was getting at is that just as alcohol they do have some sort of chart that decides if the thc in your blood it high or low. I cannot remember what the limit was tho, the cop did say that if you smoke daily you would probably be over even if you hadn't smoked or vaped that day. This was all a few years ago in Pennsylvania where it is still not legal and not decimalized in my city yet.

To get back on topic in america I believe we should have the freedom to put whatever we please into our bodies with out government stepping in. At work you should be sober but that should there should not be drug test to determine if you are or if you can get the job. Only time a drug test at work could be acceptable is if you had an accident of any kind and the doctor or paramedic believed you where intoxicated. I think they are the trained professionals on this and should be the only ones to decide if you are under the influence, not your co workers or an officer. We have continued to let big brother quietly sweep in and strip us of most of our fundamental rights granted by our constitution. To continue playing there game of stretching laws creating new ones and tell the people it is for the good will only lead us to blindly follow whatever is to come next. Start today and stand for what you believe in, only spend your money on what you support. Once the government realizes we are going to push back and keep our freedoms they will have no option but to retreat and try another manipulated plan to get the masses to follow and obey. Be free govern yourself do what is right all the time and we wont need these politician, laws, cops and bullshit courts.

 

[lwien]

Be free govern yourself do what is right all the time and we wont need these politician, laws, cops and bullshit courts.

We will ALWAYS need those things. You're utopian world never existed and never will. Our DNA REQUIRES these things. Our intellect will hopefully keep the checks and balances in control.

Armageddon, the end of the world or the end of our society or the end of our way of life or the end of our freedom has been a battle cry since the beginning of time, and I have no doubt that they will continue, for the most part, totally unwarranted.

 

[mestizo]

I guess the only way to avoid a piss test at work is to be, or become self employed.
And even tho I believe to be a violation of your privacy if you are required to provide a piss sample at work, when you are sober (I"m talking about random testing), I just realized that just as we can vote with our dollar, corporations can do the same, by not hiring us, or firing us, it is their dollar we are getting paid with after all.

 

[Philreal187]

@iwien We all are entitled to the right of our own opinion. I'm not sure if there was anyone living in this manner in the past b/c the history is mystery. The future is uncertain so I don't know if we can ever get to a point where government can be phased out. I do believe we are at the infant stages of a new age and wont have any clue what this age will be for at least another 500 years. But I know not too much had changed with in the past 2000 years as far as a leader and masses follow. So why not lay the foundation to build what society we want to see and eventually become reality. Some might believe this is truly rooted in our DNA that we must have authority, leaders and big government to keep the masses inline. Leave a small group of people to make just about ever choice from what water comes through your city pipes, to what food is found on the store shelves and even now what health care you MUST have. Some might believe in becoming more self sufficient and farm our food, teach our children, protect your self, but never put one person higher than another. We truly are all equal from the tree doing its thing to the stripper doing its thing and to the leaders doing theirs. I think that leaving small group of power tripping politicians make the choices for millions if its not more like billions of people just seems a bit out dated. Not too much out there is a universal law that is true to everyone and everything. But those that are universal are those that need to be taught and focused on. If we build community's based around simple core and righteous morals and goals maybe one day we can all share this great planet in peace.

Until then I guess we just piss in a cup to find out if you qualify or not.

 

[Magic9]

Drug tests are wrong. It goes against that whole 4th (maybe even 5th) amendment thing. That said, the courts have ruled that companies can do it. I can also see the reason (beyond insurance mandates) that companies drug test. I wouldn't want a meth/crack addict working for me. Even if they only used meth/crack in their own time.

To stop drug tests, we must legalize. Period. Personally, I don't care what poison a person wants to ingest, but after cannabis is legal, I don't care too much about the other drugs fate.

Why is the company business to know what I do in the privacy of my home? We are not talking about being high, or drunk on the job.

It's not their business. If we were talking about being high/drunk on the job, we'd have to mention those who pop painkillers at lunch and the people clearly hungover.

I'm surprized that on such a pro cannabis forum that so many would roll over for the man and let him delve into every private aspect of your life.

I'm not rolling over. Drug testing isn't anything new here. I've pissed for just about every job I've ever had. I'm more concerned with the Pariot act, the militarization of our police depts, asset forfeiture, etc. If it helps, I've never bought anything from that company and in a non legal state, probably won't.

 

[OutToken]

Interesting responses. The argument against this policy seems to revolve around an individual's right to privacy. I'm not sure how one can support privacy rights without acknowledging the right of a company to set whatever standards it wishes around who they choose to employee. I believe that an individual should be able to do whatever they choose, including illicit drugs, as long as it doesn't adversely impact anyone else. I also believe openvape has the right to set whatever standards they choose; level of education, past employment / experience, criminal record, drug use, credit history etc.

Additionally, if an employee's "recreational" use of meth, heroin, cocaine or whatever other dangerous drugs is a priority they have the right to find an employer with whom their interest align. An employer that is willing to tolerate employees use of those substances in their personal lives. I can't think of a single employer with such a policy.

From what I've read of this on the twitter feed it appears openvape operates labs and various lab equipment, likely extractors, that have the potential to be deadly. I take comfort in knowing the airlines I fly have a drug policy that doesn't allow use of dangerous drugs, even during personal time. If I worked at openvape I would also take comfort knowing my company didn't condone my coworkers using dangerous drugs. Especially when a coworkers mistake can kill me or those around me... depending on the extraction equipment used they could blow up an entire block, I'm sure openvape's neighbors appreciate their policy too.

Be reasonable. We didn't get to where we are today with an all-or-nothing approach. Progress happens incrementally, and a corporate drug policy that allows the use of cannabis in ones personal life is a start!

 

[tepictoton]

Blablabla...?

Let me quote Doug Stanhope for you:
It is my body and I put into it what I want. Don't like it, fine, klik klik bang...Let's start the argument where it starts...

If you are stupid enough and willing to subject to this kind of crap then go ahead and feel 'free' to do so.

When are we going to see tests that show how many hours you have been brainwashed by TV? Then maybe we could determine who is allowed to use 'drugs' and who not.

Anybody here really believes the people making up these laws are subjugated to them themselves? They laugh at us...

You are 'the man', you create your world and nobody else.

I DO NOT NEED ANY CORPORATION TO TELL ME WHAT TO DO! And again, if you choose to subjugate yourself to this, then do so. But I for one will speak up against this, as I have done in my personal life for many years now. Yes, it was a struggle from time to time, but in the long run it is my only option. I am who I am, if you do not like it that's just fine.

And what bullshit about pilots! I for one would rather have my pilot taking some amphetamine before a long flight then him drinking alcohol...Funny thing is they test positive for the first one and they get fired, they do not get tested for alcohol so please proceed as wanted?

And if you really want progress, then maybe start by educating people and telling them the truth in stead of make believe...maybe then we all can make responsible decisions...

 

[Caligula]

I'm confused.

Is Openvape forcing their employees to work for them? Do they enslave these people with some form of indentured servitude that I'm unaware of?

Do these employees have a choice to comply with the wishes of a private company or move along elsewhere?

I think the answers to these questions are quite obvious. They have a choice.

They don't have to comply with a private company's drug policy and roll the dice with a potential positive DT. They have the choice to comply. They have the choice to quit and go somewhere else.

Now exactly how is this infringing on peoples personal liberties again? Its not like they were drafted by the government into service and mandated not to use any illicit substances.

ITS THEIR OWN FREE PERSONAL DECISION TO WORK FOR THIS COMPANY.

The PRIVATELY OWNED company gets to run their business in they way they best see fit, and the people employed by them get to keep their own free will to do WTF ever they want. And just like all adults in the free world, they are also free to deal with the ramifications of their decisions.

Its called being a big boy/girl in the real world. You have free will, and quite a wide lane in which to navigate thanks to our democratic society. There is no injustice here.

Don't like "the man" telling you what to do? Great, fucking Anarchy. That's the only way around that one... and I cant say it sounds very appealing.