Best Star Trek Captain?
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Jahannum
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Picard being twisted by the borg, and being completely aware the entire time. To me this was a hug dynamic in Picard's character and personality. After being freed from the borg, he still remembered every second, that is a huge psychological trauma he has to endure. It is part of what makes Picard Picard.
Jeremy Driscoll
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Kirk put girls first. I can't stand kirk. Who wants to watch some guy chase girls all the time instead of explore space for the excitement of new worlds. It seems like every time time he found a new world all he wanted was to explore the women not the adventure of the rest of it.
Janeway was an idiot. She broke the temporal prime directive which is worse than the prime directive.
Pecard got captured by the borg, but he debated with a god and won, (Q).
Janeway was an idiot. She broke the temporal prime directive which is worse than the prime directive.
Pecard got captured by the borg, but he debated with a god and won, (Q).
tiukauleh
Well-Known Member
imo, what made the new worlds exciting was the people inhabiting it and Kirk understood that better than anyone hehe. yes, Janeway, the cap'n that speaks like a duck, less said the better.
Jeremy Driscoll
Well-Known Member
The prime directive however. Is a joke. It is such a joke that it gave birth to the Marquee. "Oh we don't want to give our technology to those who can use it because it can be used to hurt people.". IDIOTS. After they invent it themselves they can then use it to hurt people anyways, the only difference is at least this way they can do some good with it.
But Janeway sucks.
But Janeway sucks.
Agreed.
I hope we can agree to disagree on this point. Kirk was like the Frank Sinatra of space. Fuck yeah.
Vicki
Herbal Alchemist
Actually, Kirk was turned into a Borg in a book, "The Return." Shatner wanted to do this all as a movie, but Paramount said no. That the torch was being passed to TNG for the movies, and of course Shatner was pissed, yet again.
The novel begins on the planet Veridian III and takes place shortly after the events seen in the motion picture Star Trek Generations. The body of James T. Kirk is stolen by the Romulans after his burial by fellow Starfleet captain Jean-Luc Picard. The Borg have formed an alliance with the Romulan Star Empire in order to destroy the Federation. Using alien technology, the Borg bring Kirk back to life and hiskatra is restored, but false memories are implanted to turn him against the Federation. The goal of this secret alliance is to destroy Picard and therefore Starfleet's only defense against the Borg but, despite his conditioning, Kirk is able to resist commands to kill Worf,Data, and Geordi La Forge, all of whom are attacked by him during his search for Picard.
Simultaneously, Picard and Dr. Beverly Crusher are participating in a strike team in a Federation expedition to an assimilated colony, where they are forced to sneak on board the fleeing Borg vessel. While on board, they are able to move freely around the vessel & they learn of the Borg/Romulan Alliance. Spock also learns of this alliance when he is captured dealing with Romulans, but the Borg do not assimilate him as, for some reason, they believe Spock is already Borg.
Kirk is eventually captured on Deep Space Nine attempting to kill Commander William Riker, and the implant that was responsible for his false memories is removed by the joint efforts of Dr. Julian Bashir and Admiral Leonard McCoy; McCoy acts as an advisor during the surgery while Bashir's younger, fitter hands perform the operation. Although Kirk retains the drives implanted in him by the device, leading him to a confrontation with Picard in a holodeck re-creation of the original USS Enterprise, Spock is able to remove the commands thanks to a mind meld. In the process, they learn that V'ger, the former Voyager 6, was actually upgraded by a division of the Borg Collective, which explains why the Borg did not assimilate Spock; they assumed the trace of V'ger in his mind from their meld (in Star Trek: The Motion Picture) was an actual link to the Collective. This also gives Starfleet another advantage; thanks to the meld, Spock knows the location of the Borg homeworld.
Taking a Defiant-class starship (renamed Enterprise for the mission), the Enterprise-D senior staff, accompanied by Kirk, Spock and McCoy, travel directly to the Borg homeworld thanks to a stolen transwarp drive. Once there, the Enterprise neutralizes the Borg/Romulan fleet around the planet with a wave, dampening the Borg's communication and making them unable to maintain their link to the Collective, effectively neutralizing them. Taking this as a distraction, Kirk and Picard beam down to the planet in search of the Borg central node. Using Picard's memories as Locutus, they track down the Borg central node which, when deactivated, will sever the Borg Collective; every Borg ship will be separate from every other ship, and what can defeat one will always work a second time. However, the result will cause a cataclysmic explosion that will kill whoever operates the node.
Picard and Kirk debate on who will go, each attempting to be the hero and sacrifice themselves. Kirk appears to give in and let Picard pull the lever, but he takes the sudden calm to knock Picard out and beam his unconscious body back up to the Enterprise. Kirk then pulls the lever and triggers the explosion. However, even as the crew watches, Spock, who has always been able to sense Kirk ever since they first mind-melded, still does not believe that his friend is dead.
Vicki
Herbal Alchemist
Who cares! It's more new Trek stories. As long as it's NOT part of the movies or series, it doesn't matter if it's canon or not. This is coming from one of the biggest Trekkies on the planet, btw.
I love Peter David. Two of my favorite Trek books are "Q-Squared," and "Imzadi."
Hexi
Well-Known Member
Everyone always skips The Sisko
Don't sleep on the ace
He's a flawed, and more 'real person' captain than most, but also takes direct action, other than leading the debate team or the frat party ass-chasing.
In the single worst season of DS9, he did this!
DS9 kept getting better every season (until 7, /sigh)
In true Paramount Studios suits fashion - ruining everything. Sisko also was somewhat sexless even when they threw hotties in his face.
His big romance felt like watching a 75 year old married couple hang out in their living room and discuss casino bus schedules.
+ Sisko is cray-cray!
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Vicki
Herbal Alchemist
syrupy
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Yeah, blame Nero Abrahms for screwing the timeline.
Not surprising. More than Kirk's death-by-bridge, I was bugged that Picard buried him, what, four inches deep and threw some rocks on top?
Not surprising. More than Kirk's death-by-bridge, I was bugged that Picard buried him, what, four inches deep and threw some rocks on top?
syrupy
Authorized Buyer
I dunno, just didn't seem appropriate for a person of his stature. Seems like a space groundhog could have come by and munched on him. Or as @Vicki posted, made it easy for Romulans to drop by and pick him up. In the movie, when there's that wide shot from above, and we see Kirk's grave, I kind of groaned. It looked like something the Gorn would have made for Kirk. But then again, I'm a card-carrying member of the shat club///
My answer to the original question probably won't be liked very much, but so be it: I admire ALL Enterprise captains...yes, even Janeway. They all have qualities that I've aspired to (most never reached, not even close). I hope in a future life I'll have a chance to serve on a star ship, any capacity.
Live long and prosper.Make it so.
Live long and prosper
.Make it so.
Bob Loblaw
Astralnaut
thisMy answer to the original question probably won't be liked very much, but so be it: I admire ALL Enterprise captains...yes, even Janeway. They all have qualities that I've aspired to (most never reached, not even close). I hope in a future life I'll have a chance to serve on a star ship, any capacity.
Live long and prosper
Caligula
Maximus
Who is to say there was any life on that planet which would dig up a body? And the Romulans? Really? 4 extra feet of dirt would prevent a species which has mastered interstellar travel from finding Kirk's girdle wearing corpse?
Maybe they should have vaporized him with a phaser.
tiukauleh
Well-Known Member
Actually, Kirk was turned into a Borg in a book, "The Return." Shatner wanted to do this all as a movie, but Paramount said no. That the torch was being passed to TNG for the movies, and of course Shatner was pissed, yet again.
The novel begins on the planet Veridian III and takes place shortly after the events seen in the motion picture Star Trek Generations. The body of James T. Kirk is stolen by the Romulans after his burial by fellow Starfleet captain Jean-Luc Picard. The Borg have formed an alliance with the Romulan Star Empire in order to destroy the Federation. Using alien technology, the Borg bring Kirk back to life and hiskatra is restored, but false memories are implanted to turn him against the Federation. The goal of this secret alliance is to destroy Picard and therefore Starfleet's only defense against the Borg but, despite his conditioning, Kirk is able to resist commands to kill Worf,Data, and Geordi La Forge, all of whom are attacked by him during his search for Picard.
Simultaneously, Picard and Dr. Beverly Crusher are participating in a strike team in a Federation expedition to an assimilated colony, where they are forced to sneak on board the fleeing Borg vessel. While on board, they are able to move freely around the vessel & they learn of the Borg/Romulan Alliance. Spock also learns of this alliance when he is captured dealing with Romulans, but the Borg do not assimilate him as, for some reason, they believe Spock is already Borg.
Kirk is eventually captured on Deep Space Nine attempting to kill Commander William Riker, and the implant that was responsible for his false memories is removed by the joint efforts of Dr. Julian Bashir and Admiral Leonard McCoy; McCoy acts as an advisor during the surgery while Bashir's younger, fitter hands perform the operation. Although Kirk retains the drives implanted in him by the device, leading him to a confrontation with Picard in a holodeck re-creation of the original USS Enterprise, Spock is able to remove the commands thanks to a mind meld. In the process, they learn that V'ger, the former Voyager 6, was actually upgraded by a division of the Borg Collective, which explains why the Borg did not assimilate Spock; they assumed the trace of V'ger in his mind from their meld (in Star Trek: The Motion Picture) was an actual link to the Collective. This also gives Starfleet another advantage; thanks to the meld, Spock knows the location of the Borg homeworld.
Taking a Defiant-class starship (renamed Enterprise for the mission), the Enterprise-D senior staff, accompanied by Kirk, Spock and McCoy, travel directly to the Borg homeworld thanks to a stolen transwarp drive. Once there, the Enterprise neutralizes the Borg/Romulan fleet around the planet with a wave, dampening the Borg's communication and making them unable to maintain their link to the Collective, effectively neutralizing them. Taking this as a distraction, Kirk and Picard beam down to the planet in search of the Borg central node. Using Picard's memories as Locutus, they track down the Borg central node which, when deactivated, will sever the Borg Collective; every Borg ship will be separate from every other ship, and what can defeat one will always work a second time. However, the result will cause a cataclysmic explosion that will kill whoever operates the node.
Picard and Kirk debate on who will go, each attempting to be the hero and sacrifice themselves. Kirk appears to give in and let Picard pull the lever, but he takes the sudden calm to knock Picard out and beam his unconscious body back up to the Enterprise. Kirk then pulls the lever and triggers the explosion. However, even as the crew watches, Spock, who has always been able to sense Kirk ever since they first mind-melded, still does not believe that his friend is dead.
Interesting theory but Kirk turned into a Borg? no how no way, may a spread of photon torpedoes be targeted at you, pal
And if kirk was ever borged, he'd steal command and then assimilate all the female races across the galaxy. 'nuff said!http://www.uproxx.com/tv/2013/05/william-shatners-10-greatest-acting-moments-on-star-trek/#page/10
grokit
well-worn member
We're all on the same ride, spaceship earth. It's the most awesome starship ever
So far there seems to only be consensus that archer is the worst star trek captain, followed closely by janeway. But I find myself asking: was it because she was a woman, or because she was that woman?
Did the fact that they were hopelessly lost have anything to do with it lol.
More to the point, who would have been a better choice for a female enterprise captain?
So far there seems to only be consensus that archer is the worst star trek captain, followed closely by janeway. But I find myself asking: was it because she was a woman, or because she was that woman?
Did the fact that they were hopelessly lost have anything to do with it lol.
More to the point, who would have been a better choice for a female enterprise captain?
tiukauleh
Well-Known Member
More to the point, who would have been a better choice for a female enterprise captain?
how about.....Kim Kardashian, but of course she wouldn't be captaining the enterprise. she'd be captain of the galaxy class starship U.S.S. Tits n Ass NCC-6969 working together with Charlie "the warlock" Sheen as 1st officer and Jeff "the dude" Lebowski as chief medical officer
