**Ball vape comparison megathread** Compare your balls.

[GoldenBud]

all these vapes - Z8/Zeal/SWRP/Taroma/Qaroma/Tiodw/B2/B1/TKO/OldHead Injector - share almost the same size/volume. it's not like there's a Injector Ti/SS/Zirconium in a size of something like Glass Symphony XLR. there isn't an huge injector vape yet. so....
I guess.... why there are so many of the same design? I think people need money........ kids to feed etc'

Maybe the Taroma 360 is a bit bigger, also SWRP, but again.... it's not like the TKO vs Glass Symphony in term of size/volume or so
they all share ALMOST the same weight/volume
but people... need money, that's for sure..... who doesn't need money, eh?

@Necra I know that the Glass Symphony XLR never exceeded 60w, even around 740F (bowl is far from the heater) so I doubt it is needed a coil that supports 200w. 150w is more than enough

 

[2pumpchump]

all these vapes - Z8/Zeal/SWRP/Taroma/Qaroma/Tiodw/B2/B1/TKO/OldHead Injector - share almost the same size/volume. it's not like there's a Injector Ti/SS/Zirconium in a size of something like Glass Symphony XLR. there isn't an huge injector vape yet. so....
I guess.... why there are so many of the same design? I think people need money........ kids to feed etc'

Maybe the Taroma 360 is a bit bigger, also SWRP, but again.... it's not like the TKO vs Glass Symphony in term of size/volume or so
they all share ALMOST the same weight/volume
but people... need money, that's for sure..... who doesn't need money, eh?

@Necra I know that the Glass Symphony XLR never exceeded 60w, even around 740F (bowl is far from the heater) so I doubt it is needed a coil that supports 200w. 150w is more than enough

I honestly can't compare any of those from experience . When I wone the screwball I did some digging on ball vape history the Glass Symphony XLR was a beast it was bigger than some people's WP ! But let talk about what made the first ballvape so great .
Was it not the fact that the massave amount of balls stored heat that the coil could not keep up with by itself alone ?
Note as you said things have changed . On some of the vapes you have mentioned I consider to be ground braking others to be just another 1 as you I have also seen them splitting directions on how to deliver consistent hits each time some depend on that coil some depend on how much heat can be stored as far as to why so many I'm sure different reasons for different folks as to what started this of the coil performance was just mintchend to help with info on the screwball reference feedback to help people not to brag on p or compare any other vapes with the screwball but brings me to a ?
What is the best pid on the market and why?

 

[GoldenBud]

I honestly can't compare any of those from experience . When I wone the screwball I did some digging on ball vape history the Glass Symphony XLR was a beast it was bigger than some people's WP ! But let talk about what made the first ballvape so great .
Was it not the fact that the massave amount of balls stored heat that the coil could not keep up with by itself alone ?
Note as you said things have changed . On some of the vapes you have mentioned I consider to be ground braking others to be just another 1 as you I have also seen them splitting directions on how to deliver consistent hits each time some depend on that coil some depend on how much heat can be stored as far as to why so many I'm sure different reasons for different folks as to what started this of the coil performance was just mintchend to help with info on the screwball reference feedback to help people not to brag on p or compare any other vapes with the screwball but brings me to a ?
What is the best pid on the market and why?

that's why you won the the Screwball. that's why people win stuff. it gives the manufacturer advertising, and sometimes people are very eager after they receive the vape, and they share their opinions all over the forum, it was my case tho! It's not bad!

but, because all these Injector vapes are kinda the same size, volume, materials, airflow.... they are almost all the same. but the forum FC also benefit from all these vapes, although they share almost the same design, because other people may come with new design based on the very similar injector vapes that you see , and there are a lot of them now in 2023.... but believe me when I see all these vapes, I know money is why people are doing it....

many people in 2021-2023 did the same design almost, until somebody will do something that is totally new/bigger/heavier , but all these TKO/B2/B1/Zeal/Z8/OldHead/Omega/Qaroma/Taroma/Screwball/SWRP almost looks the same and share almost the same size/volume/weight

what's the best PID? the biggest clouds I have ever seen is from Taroma XL I think: credits to eiwvaporent which has another nickname in this forum AFAIK:

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I don't know if it's the heaviest hitter/most massive cloud maker. but it does seem like the other vapes. nothing too big or changed other than the known Injector vapes I've mentioned.... maybe SWRP can bring the same clouds....

BUT if we talk about taste? probably the Z8 Zirconium or Zeal Zirc or B2 Ti? idk....

but there are too many of them now anyway... including the chinese Tiodw

I like ShayWhiteGrow videos since many years ago, And he knows it, but I will have to say my opinion, that Screwball/SWRP, and also in many ways Zeal/TKO/Oldhead vaporizer, are made mostly to bring money to the manufacturers, not any new design or something too clever. people need money. I needed money. that's why I stopped buying weed in an illegal state tho.

I also respect iDB, OWW, and OldHead people.

 

[howie105]

So where is a good place to gather information on the design and construction of coils? I see that some of what I believe about coils and PID may be inaccurate. Thanks.

 

[Timps27]

Its not just an aging thing. I assume you are from the US and refer to Detroits finest Big or small block. They were just terribly inefficient engines and its the environmental lobby which is making engines how they are today. You think Ferrari want a V6 turbo in their car? If you do you know nothing of these companies. I dont even know what their current model is. F1, my god what have they done?

They were (and are) just terrible motors. My 2 liter turbo makes north of 350 with no internal work, and minimal tuning. The 327 I had in my ‘00 Z71 made south of 200. And the current TurboHybrid V6 in F1 is capped at 1,000 BHP, not because that’s all it can produce, simply because they need a place to keep things on a level field.

It has nothing to do with “environmental lobby”, and everything to do with using technology to move forward. Unless you are specifically talking about Euro 5 and how they gut performance in a specific portion of the power band, thus cratering your torque curve and not actually accomplishing anything? Because that I agree is garbage.

The aging bit is really just doing my own independent research and using data/results to make decisions, not listening to other kids on the playground shouting stupid phrases at me.

 

[LesPlenty]

So where is a good place to gather information on the design and construction of coils?

@710Coils sells good ones and also helps you tweak your PID to match his higher wattage offerings (where possible)

710 coils

I got sick of the high prices for coils and decided to start selling them. Everything on the site comes in three colors and in a US or European version. I am also offering free domestic shipping and very reasonable international shipping. I have plans to carry the Axial coils and even quartz...

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[Cheebsy]

While it is cooling down I will refrasse my quote of works better .with performs better! By that I mean I don't care if it takes 14 gallons to go .25 miles I want it now

Thanks for taking the time to answer my question. I guess I didn't phrase my question very well either!

Judging by what I quoted, I think you mean it gets to temp quicker, and that makes perfect sense. When the coil temp is below set point, especially far below, you will get the advantage of the extra power. I can't see extra power useful for vaping with though, once you're at our near temp the pid will be using less power to recover.

Are they any other advantages to the extra power that I haven't considered? All in all the coils you posted pictures of look very similar, does one fit tighter than the other?

 

[howie105]

@710Coils sells good ones and also helps you tweak your PID to match his higher wattage offerings (where possible)

710 coils

I got sick of the high prices for coils and decided to start selling them. Everything on the site comes in three colors and in a US or European version. I am also offering free domestic shipping and very reasonable international shipping. I have plans to carry the Axial coils and even quartz...

fuckcombustion.com

Thanks LesPlenty.

 

[Curious Gorilla]

credits to eiwvaporent which has another nickname in this forum AFAIK:

Watch Taroma XL I think, 100% Creditz to eiwvaporent (2) | Streamable

Watch "Taroma XL I think, 100% Creditz to eiwvaporent (2)" on Streamable.

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recognised the GlassWare, believe the gentlemans name on here is EddIW

Its not just an aging thing. I assume you are from the US and refer to Detroits finest Big or small block. They were just terribly inefficient engines and its the environmental lobby which is making engines how they are today. You think Ferrari want a V6 turbo in their car? If you do you know nothing of these companies. I dont even know what their current model is. F1, my god what have they done?

They were (and are) just terrible motors. My 2 liter turbo makes north of 350 with no internal work, and minimal tuning. The 327 I had in my ‘00 Z71 made south of 200. And the current TurboHybrid V6 in F1 is capped at 1,000 BHP, not because that’s all it can produce, simply because they need a place to keep things on a level field.

When you consider the power to weight ratio and performance of Motorbike engines, at 200 horse power to 200 kg, and F1 cars are better, even restricted as they are, like with motorbikes the practicle limits are dictated by the handling,geometry, stuctural integrity, the ability to put the power down , and use it while keeping traction.
Every car on the road could be built to perform, and to last, and to be efficient. But then then The Enviromental Lobby and the super rich would loose out and we could spend Thousands more on Vapes,Glassware and Cannabis.
Is the enviromental lobby the reason they have put more Toulene, Zylene and Benzene to create the wonder that is Leaded Petrol I mean E10 fuel?
Fucking Light Bulbs.

 

[quasars25]

What's the verdict on the Terp Ready?

 

[Letaps Stash]

but it's 150w or 200w max, right? it never reaches even 70w in practice?

I really doubt somebody can distinguish the differences in performance between Z8/SWRP/Oldhead/TKO/Screwball/B1/B2/Taroma/Zeal etc' except of taste maybe, maybe Ti or Zirconium tastes better than Stainlees steel but all these vapes perform pretty much the same i think, until we see a real huge heater which uses 2 coils, something that has much more volume than the Screwball or so, idk, all these vapes almost identical...

I understand, there are kids to feed so people make the almost-same-vape with different name, totally, but... i doubt anyone else would notice the difference between them honestly...

I do agree with you in regards to the max wattage rated on coils and actual use wattage drawn from PID.

Majority of the ball vape designs sharing similar size, volumes, and airflow giving similar results; however, there are small nuances that differentiate ballers.

• Coil Size, Ball housing material, ball material and quantity. (SS, Zr., Ti, etc.) Thermal Properties.
• Overall design tolerances: baller and bowl creating airtight seal and ease of removal
• Distance between load and heat source, bowl size/capacity.

Looking at these two distinct ballers I notice a difference in experience:

Phase3 ZX + Zirconia bowl:

Definitely get tastier hits with lower temps and smaller bowl on the ZX with about 4 hits per zirconia bowl, stirring in between. Great for fresh back to back bowls. Uses 16mm coil, Zirconia 14mm injector baller and bowl material, tight tolerances creating airtight seal and smooth removal.

Cannabis Hardware B2 + Ti bowl:

Uses the 20mm coil to power the B2 diffuser ball vape and bowl all grade 2 titanium, my sweet spot is to target 2 hit full extraction with the Titanium bowl heat soaked prior to a fresh load at about 645F on the PID, no stirring. This provides a super quick extraction that is dab like in intensity of flavor and vapor and super fast onset of the high.

 

[RedZep]

Need some help. I'm torn between Couchlog and ZX. I'm probably picking both up eventually. But I'm deciding which one first.

I'm leaning more towards the Couchlog as i'm in Europe, and it uses less power. Also I like the form factor. I'm just worried about airflow. Looking at the design, it looks like it would be extremely restricted. Can anyone compare the two vapes?

I would Mainly be using the Couchlog with the injection bowl if that's relevant.

 

[GoldenBud]

Need some help. I'm torn between Couchlog and ZX. I'm probably picking both up eventually. But I'm deciding which one first.

I'm leaning more towards the Couchlog as i'm in Europe, and it uses less power. Also I like the form factor. I'm just worried about airflow. Looking at the design, it looks like it would be extremely restricted. Can anyone compare the two vapes?

I would Mainly be using the Couchlog with the injection bowl if that's relevant.

ZX
The overall heater is bigger and has more volume

 

[coolbreeze]

Need some help. I'm torn between Couchlog and ZX. I'm probably picking both up eventually. But I'm deciding which one first.

I'm leaning more towards the Couchlog as i'm in Europe, and it uses less power. Also I like the form factor. I'm just worried about airflow. Looking at the design, it looks like it would be extremely restricted. Can anyone compare the two vapes?

The Couch Log is very open for a log especially with the glass bowl; the glass/mouthpiece is usually more restricted. In use it's very comfortable. The form factor is more flexible and the heater guarded, and there is a ton of headroom: I only use the bottom half of the dial on mine. There is some recharge time if you unplug (>5min), flavor is fantastic.

The ZX is amazing for flavor, even roasting, pure convection, efficiency. A ball vape is so easy to recommend because of their power and simplicity, and this one is really a cut above in its thoughtful design and efficient performance. I have one of the Zs in use every day.

I would Mainly be using the Couchlog with the injection bowl if that's relevant.

If you will use the Log as an injector only, the advantages are mostly the protected heater. v. the unprotected coils. Either will do very well. If i were getting one only to use as an injector, I would go with the ZX instead, because it's so good, does a perfect roast. If I was looking more for a general purpose desktop I'd like the extra flexibility of the Log.

What might make the best sense is get the Log first so you have the flexibility and so forth, and then see if you feel that you need an additional injector. I will still recommend the ZX as it is at least as great a vape as the CL and they can share some bowls, etc.

 

[pxl_jockey]

Personally, I’d have trouble comparing the CouchLog and ZX - I have both devices and imo it’s an apples to oranges comparison. I like them both but have been reaching for the ZX over everything in my little arsenal and have done since it arrived last November. Not dissing CouchLog or 420Engineers, love its simplicity, form factor and power; definitely do not regret the purchase. The ZX is just perfect for my usage and I love its minimalist design, purity of flavour and efficiency.

 

[Texus]

• Coil Size, Ball housing material, ball material and quantity. (SS, Zr., Ti, etc.) Thermal Properties.
• Overall design tolerances: baller and bowl creating airtight seal and ease of removal
• Distance between load and heat source, bowl size/capacity.

Very nicely summarized. Points 2 and 3 are why I prefer the TKO diffuser style over other options like Qaroma and CH injectors. Great tolerance and seal with Infinity Bowl and SSC 22mm diffuser bowl. And flower is as close as possible to coil and balls the coil surrounds, with max or near max surface area over flower.

And to thermal properties, I'd also add that the amount of metal/housing material that needs to be heated is another factor. And one where diffusers without a lip that extends over the bowl like TKO again have some advantages. That will affect heat up time and reheat time after each hit.

And when considering systems including bowls, thickness of metal bowls will also affect proportion of conduction heating that is part of the equation (tho maybe only significant if you preheat them). So thicker CH Shovelhead will have more conduction than thinner OWW Infinity Bowl. But for straight convection, that is gonna be for glass bowls.

 

[Grass Yes]

Need some help. I'm torn between Couchlog and ZX. I'm probably picking both up eventually. But I'm deciding which one first.

I'm leaning more towards the Couchlog as i'm in Europe, and it uses less power. Also I like the form factor. I'm just worried about airflow. Looking at the design, it looks like it would be extremely restricted. Can anyone compare the two vapes?

I would Mainly be using the Couchlog with the injection bowl if that's relevant.

I am probably an outlier, but I prefer the CouchLog. I like my SX and my ZX very much (slightly prefer the SX), but for me the CL is about perfect. I mostly use it as an injector these days but I did use it direct draw for a long time.

For me, my Couchlog just matches my comfortable draw speed perfectly. I like a nice slow steady open draw. It's also convenient cordless although it does not hold heat as long as my Omega.

Something about coil-driven vapes can make me feel rushed. With my CL, even on glass I just have a more enjoyable session. Even doing one-and-dine hits feels more relaxing with my CL. Obviously this will be different for everyone, but that is my experience.

They are probably less comparable than it seems, so big grain of salt with this. I'm sure you be happy with either one.

 

[Texus]

I am probably an outlier, but I prefer the CouchLog. I like my SX and my ZX very much (slightly prefer the SX), but for me the CL is about perfect. I mostly use it as an injector these days but I did use it direct draw for a long time.

For me, my Couchlog just matches my comfortable draw speed perfectly. I like a nice slow steady open draw. It's also convenient cordless although it does not hold heat as long as my Omega.

Something about coil-driven vapes can make me feel rushed. With my CL, even on glass I just have a more enjoyable session. Even doing one-and-dine hits feels more relaxing with my CL. Obviously this will be different for everyone, but that is my experience.

They are probably less comparable than it seems, so big grain of salt with this. I'm sure you be happy with either one.

Well that makes me more excited about the Couchlog that arrives tomorrow.

I also think that from an aesthetics point of view, the Couchlog is head and shoulders champion of the baller space. Second place to the Heady Atlas or Zenith from Cloud Connoisseur, third to discontinued Hot Rod (one that I need to get around to selling).

And tough to beat any log for ease of use, and ability to medicate quickly. On my Underdogs, I suck the ground flower into my metal stem, vape it and then blow it right out into ABV container. Stunningly quick and effective. Hopefully Couchlog is just as easy, though this technique does tend to work best on small diameter stems of Underdogs compared to larger diameter Nano XL stems.

 

[coolbreeze]

the Couchlog that arrives tomorrow.

Bocote?

 

[Texus]

Bocote?

Yup. Bocote

 

[RedZep]

Yup. Bocote

That thing is stunning. Glad someone in the community snagged it. I hope we see it in pics from time to time.

 

[Hippie]

I think B2C have listed some new bowls for their 360 copy

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005005987270527.html?

 

[LesPlenty]

I think B2C have listed some new bowls for their 360 copy

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005005987270527.html?

Are they making a Ti version?

 

[Hippie]

I hope so
With straight sides, preferably
As I don't like the look of the taper on the glass one and worry about it sticking, at first glance.
(and I want to mod it with some channels up the sides like a Vapcap lol)

 

[Curious Gorilla]

Hey Baller heads, (I humbly include myself in that description)
Meet Ball-less Head.
Saw a thread on 'the Thermal Twist'. Looks interesting , although it has NO BALLS !
MODS forgive me for this transgression, for daring to mention this Heretical devise surley imagined by someone with evil intent who wants all the rubies and Sic Balls for themselves!!! First the blasphemy of the cut gems, now this? Not even oddly shaped balls? wHY IS RUGBY LEFT OUT ?????

So that the mods do not beat me too badly for mentioning non baller injectors in a Ball Vape thread (please Mods not the stick with the nail in it and the Comfy Chair......)
if you are interested.....

Thermal Twist Ball-less Injector Vape

Apparently new ball vape with no balls coming soon on vgoodiez ….anyone with additional info?

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