Australia: Doctors warn of significant increase in people hospitalised with psychosis after being prescribed medicinal cannabis

Gorf

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Bullshit or real issue?

Personally I think this is BS. And medical cannabis patients would have to be specifically evaluated for psychosis BEFORE getting their prescriptions, otherwise we can't tell chicken from egg. Lots of undiagnosed mental issues, lots of self-medicating, but that doesn't mean the second caused the first.

Real research with controls, placebo, etc, would be required to know for sure. The fact that the outlets pushing these headlines aren't also pushing for proper research tells me something.

Bullshit or real issue?

Personally I think this is BS. And medical cannabis patients would have to be specifically evaluated for psychosis BEFORE getting their prescriptions, otherwise we can't tell chicken from egg. Lots of undiagnosed mental issues, lots of self-medicating, but that doesn't mean the second caused the first.

Real research with controls, placebo, etc, would be required to know for sure. The fact that the outlets pushing these headlines aren't also pushing for proper research tells me something
 

Varden

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Personally I think this is BS. And medical cannabis patients would have to be specifically evaluated for psychosis BEFORE getting their prescriptions, otherwise we can't tell chicken from egg. Lots of undiagnosed mental issues, lots of self-medicating, but that doesn't mean the second caused the first.

Real research with controls, placebo, etc, would be required to know for sure. The fact that the outlets pushing these headlines aren't also pushing for proper research tells me something.
I lean on the bullshit side too, but the people making the claim are arguing that the cannabis clinics give cannabis to anyone or almost without really checking anything. They also claim that sometimes they do not even know their patients are using cannabis since the cannabis clinics don't even communicate with other doctors. Again, that is what they claim.
 
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Madtater

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It is probably bullshit.

You can make study results skew however you want them to look.

I pay little attention to garbage like that.
 

macbill

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I can see a newbie eating more than they can handle can cause mental anguish. For example, an inexperienced user eating a 100 mg candy bar when they should try 5 mg.
 
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EverythingsHazy

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Bullshit or real issue?

1. This is an article, not a study. Articles are often full of nonsense, bs, manipulation of stats/study data, etc..
2. Is said "psychosis" that people are coming in with any different from getting really high and freaking out? I know people who have gotten paranoid and gone to the hospital, only to find out that they were fine and just really high. Or is it something like schizophrenia, and the start of a persistent issue? Without explanation, this article isn't very helpful, at all.
Personally I think this is BS. And medical cannabis patients would have to be specifically evaluated for psychosis BEFORE getting their prescriptions, otherwise we can't tell chicken from egg. Lots of undiagnosed mental issues, lots of self-medicating, but that doesn't mean the second caused the first.
To be fair, most medicinal cannabis card holders that I know of did not get seriously screened for anything. It often just requires a video call where you tell them that you have something like anxiety or some other listed condition, and they say "ok" and give you your card in the mail after a 5 minute talk, if that.
It is probably bullshit.

You can make study results skew however you want them to look.

I pay little attention to garbage like that.
Am I missing something, or is this not even a study? If there is a study that I missed, then it can be examined for the truth about what it says, instead of taking the article as fact.
 

Varden

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Am I missing something, or is this not even a study? If there is a study that I missed, then it can be examined for the truth about what it says, instead of taking the article as fact.
It is not a study, just a report of several doctors complaining about the effect of medical cannabis on their patients.
 
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cptofnthng

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There is probably more interesting data from countrys that legalized a few years ago in terms of a potential decline in psychosis. (general prevalence).
Numbers alone also dont mean much without context.
I work in the field and i get high, maybe im a bit biased, but i think the danger is only real for people with the (bad) genes for schizophrenia. And If you have those and never consume thc, chances are you find yourself with a psychosis anyway at some point (onset). Did you know alcohol can induce psychosis as well? I dont hear that argument ever coming from the prohibitionists.

But its certainly a well loved argument coming from cannabis opponents and works well for hysterical politicians and worried mothers.

Short term psychosis most of the time doesnt stick. Which is why there are different diagnostic categories as well.
 

Atom Flower

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When a media article begins with "Experts" or "Scientists" you can safely ignore it. Especially if it continues with the words "fear" or "worried".

Source: decades of experience with the mass media. "journalists" and their handlers are nothing but vultures selling fear porn to masses of addicts. Fear and anxiety are addictive in the sense that they become habitual when they are experienced on a daily basis.

Cannabis psychosis is a "normal" reaction to an insane and inhumane culture.... alcohol and coffee might be safer in the short term.
 

katabatic

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Here's the most recent report that is actually from the organization those doctors represent.


The news story is definitely trying to fear monger, as there aren't any actual reports in the report indicating a rise in first time psychosis related hospitalizations, and the studies that they use as a link to psychosis are either from Canada or Colorado, or are from a study from 2006.
 

The_M

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Well, i do believe that consumption of thc are not healthy, however same with alcohol and any other stuff, u can overdose, u can consume in moderation, u can avoid

So yeah, ask any student on the campus - they blackout every other night

Ask parents in 30-50’s they do consume in moderation, or blackout once per year

Ask person in 70’s - well, totally different pattern
 
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PossumMD

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Do the dctors in Australia believe that alcohol should be a prescribed and regulated by health professionals?
Then STFU.
It wouldn't even make it to market if it was introduced today. Cannabis is being introduced to the market today. Not really a like for like comparison in the context you put it.
 
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