Aromed Healthiest Vaporizer?

[luchiano]

Well when I used the vaporcannon, it was at the right temperature, and I could hardly get any BIG hits like the volcano. All the hits were small. I tugged real hard to, so I don't understand why people say its so good. Hopefully the Aromed is better.

I will second Iwien, as you describe it, you were doing it incorrectly. With a direct draw vape you want to slowly "draw" the air over the herb slowly as to induce vaporizing. The slower the draw the more vaporizing, the faster the inhale the weaker the vapor.

It is the opposite from smoking and using a bag. I am glad you found the right vaporizer for you. Its a great thing when that happens.

Maddog My best friends nickname is Maddog and hes a MMA fighter as well. Id like to say I was one too but I do it purely for exercise. Although I do have dreams of stepping in the cage and unleashing a left headkick to the dome of an opponentbut I digress

As Iwien and Beezleb both said, with whip style vaporizers, you have to hit it a certain style, which is slow and steady. Ive got relatively strong lungs, and I like to hit my vaporizer with a lot of force.

To my knowledge, the best vapes that can keep up with any inhalation style are the supreme and the vhw. I recommend these because you are health conscious and also like to take strong inhalations. Based on the other vapes I have owned and tried, none retain heat like these two which is why they are currently in rotation for me. Hope this helps.

I think the reason why a fast dry is not good for a whip based vaporizer is because it lacks water in most cases.

When you think about how water helps the lungs pull more air without much effort when using a bong you can see why whips don't compare to bong style capes but if you hook your whip to something that has good amount of water in it or something that diffues or percolated you can still get strong hits regardless how hard you pull because the water will create a powerfull pull on the air in the bowl while also creating a balance of air.

I might not be explaining it right but basically the water is why vapes that utilize a bong give good hits regardless of how you pull.

Try for yourself and see what style bong gives better vapes when you pull hard. Chances are it will be the bong with numerous small holes for air to get out off and this creates a vacuum effect and also helps balance things out. Pure air can't do this.

With all the beautiful pieces you have I know it would be a fun experiment.

 

[luchiano]

I still think the whole concept of the Aromed and its lightbulb is a gimick, no offense to anyone who has one but this is just my opinion. In order to truly maintain a steady temperature for vaporizing it is best to have a heat exchanger with a large mass like the PD and its stainless steel heat exhanger, the VHW with its double walled glass, or even the Supreme Vape with its aluminum heat exchanger, and one more off the top of my head is the Volcano with its large aluminum block with holes drilled for the air to pass through. All of these vapes I have mentioned don't have to be turned up to 440 degrees to get a decent cloud of vapor like the Aromed does.

I think you're comparing two different products. The aromed is a digital product that uses a chip that adjust the temperature whereas other vaporizers are manual products and you have to have something that holds heat due to lack of a chip to adjust the temperature itself.

They are all good but do things differently. If you want to just be approximate with the temperature other vaporizers are good but if you want to be precise the aromed seems to be the best for that.

Adding some type diffused bong to it would just make it even better due to being able to draw as hard as you want and still get good hits.

 

[stonemonkey55]

I will second Iwien, as you describe it, you were doing it incorrectly. With a direct draw vape you want to slowly "draw" the air over the herb slowly as to induce vaporizing. The slower the draw the more vaporizing, the faster the inhale the weaker the vapor.

It is the opposite from smoking and using a bag. I am glad you found the right vaporizer for you. Its a great thing when that happens.

Maddog My best friends nickname is Maddog and hes a MMA fighter as well. Id like to say I was one too but I do it purely for exercise. Although I do have dreams of stepping in the cage and unleashing a left headkick to the dome of an opponentbut I digress

As Iwien and Beezleb both said, with whip style vaporizers, you have to hit it a certain style, which is slow and steady. Ive got relatively strong lungs, and I like to hit my vaporizer with a lot of force.

To my knowledge, the best vapes that can keep up with any inhalation style are the supreme and the vhw. I recommend these because you are health conscious and also like to take strong inhalations. Based on the other vapes I have owned and tried, none retain heat like these two which is why they are currently in rotation for me. Hope this helps.

I think the reason why a fast dry is not good for a whip based vaporizer is because it lacks water in most cases.

When you think about how water helps the lungs pull more air without much effort when using a bong you can see why whips don't compare to bong style capes but if you hook your whip to something that has good amount of water in it or something that diffues or percolated you can still get strong hits regardless how hard you pull because the water will create a powerfull pull on the air in the bowl while also creating a balance of air.

I might not be explaining it right but basically the water is why vapes that utilize a bong give good hits regardless of how you pull.

Try for yourself and see what style bong gives better vapes when you pull hard. Chances are it will be the bong with numerous small holes for air to get out off and this creates a vacuum effect and also helps balance things out. Pure air can't do this.

With all the beautiful pieces you have I know it would be a fun experiment.

Luchiano, that is a good idea, I just connected my ssv to my pillar and did some tests. These are the results of my experiments.

First hit to get all the flavor... then I take fast powerful hit, all the grids in the 4 arms are firing and all the pillars are in action. The exhale is wispy vapor. I stir the contents and break it up and take another fast powerful draw, the exhale is still wispy vapor.

I load a new bowl and prime it by taking a hit to get the initial flavor. I take a slow draw and only the first two rows of the pillar are in action but all the pillars are going but moving less vigorously. It's a monster hit on my exhale. I stir the contents and repeat and get another monster hit.

My conclusion is that it doesn't matter if you hook up your whip based vape to a water tool, if the heater can't keep up with the requirements of keeping the herb at optimal vaping temperature, it won't magically condense the vapor just because it passes through water. I believe that the since it has a short air path, probably 2-3 inches, it cannot keep up with demands of heavy inhalations because there just isn't that much surface area for the air passing to heat up.

Next, I brought out my vaporfection next to see how it functioned. The vaporfection gave huge hits with both fast and slow draws but it also has a 700 watt heater in there so it makes sense that it can keep up with faster inhalations. I am sufficiently dizzy now, time to lye down.

 

[Frickr]

700w on the vaporfection really?? that things sucking almost 6 amps!! thats as much as a spaceheater, thats just nuts!

 

[luchiano]

Yeah I forgot about the heating element keeping up with the air cooling it off because I was thinking about the aromed which uses a 1,000 watt lightbulb and therefore has no problem maintaining heat but thanks for doing the experiment. I'm glad to see I can pull hard and get good hits if I get a rok-it bong and attach the aromed to it.

The rok-it is small and has a lot of holes in the rose stem so it will help give thick tastey hits.

Thanks again.

 

[luchiano]

I made mistake on the 1000 watts bulb statement. I'm typing in this damn iPod leeboards and I'm new to it.

 

[stinkmeaner]

I still think the whole concept of the Aromed and its lightbulb is a gimick, no offense to anyone who has one but this is just my opinion. In order to truly maintain a steady temperature for vaporizing it is best to have a heat exchanger with a large mass like the PD and its stainless steel heat exhanger, the VHW with its double walled glass, or even the Supreme Vape with its aluminum heat exchanger, and one more off the top of my head is the Volcano with its large aluminum block with holes drilled for the air to pass through. All of these vapes I have mentioned don't have to be turned up to 440 degrees to get a decent cloud of vapor like the Aromed does.

I think you're comparing two different products. The aromed is a digital product that uses a chip that adjust the temperature whereas other vaporizers are manual products and you have to have something that holds heat due to lack of a chip to adjust the temperature itself.

They are all good but do things differently. If you want to just be approximate with the temperature other vaporizers are good but if you want to be precise the aromed seems to be the best for that.

Adding some type diffused bong to it would just make it even better due to being able to draw as hard as you want and still get good hits.

It's not about a "type" of product, obviously what I said just went straight over your head. The point I am trying to make is that the light bulb is an inferior design in heating the air in which to vaporize, the Aromeds light bulb is tiny and the air passing over it doesn't have enough time near the heat to get to the right temperature, thats why you have to put it on such a high termperature to see vapor and draw really slow on the whip.

PS the Aromed only uses a 50watt bulb

 

[luchiano]

700w on the vaporfection really?? that things sucking almost 6 amps!! thats as much as a spaceheater, thats just nuts!

That is crazy.

It makes me love the makers of the aromed even more because it just uses 60 watts to do it's job.
When you think about the fact that a halogen bulb can gennerate 250 degrees celcius and be so small it was wise to use it as a heat source. It gave them the ability to put their Money in building chips to control the temperatures and not worry about what the source would be, it lasts a long time and the customer can easily replace it

 

[luchiano]

No stinkmeaner I read what you stated but I don't see it to be true because like I stated the aromed adjust itself to the incoming air while the others don't so it would make sense to have large heating elements on them.
Like I stated they are different products.

A halogen bulb generates a lot of heat so the size of it is not important in this case. What is important is keeping the temperature constant and it has chips to do this.
If you were talking about it if it were using a floracent bulb than I can understand.

 

[luchiano]

I did more thinking to this and decided it would be better to hit slow but considering that the water in a diffused bong or a diffuser attachment that you put on hookah pipes is like having a third lung I will still get milky hits without that much effort. Sort of like smoking a joint.

Also, stinkmeiner I get what you're saying abut the short path but when you look at it from the way I just described plus the added Bonus of having accurate temperature and I can replace the bulb when needed it is perfect for me and others like myself.

 

[Raf007]

xcuse my bad english but what do you call a "pillar" stonemonkey ? Is it a brand or kind of bong ?

 

[stonemonkey55]

Luciano, just curious if you've ever used an aromed before? I have, and I found thAt the light bulb doesn't deal with the heat fluctuation (when pulling really hard) that well. Same goes for the apevape. Conceptually I like the idea but I don't think it was executed that well. My

Edit - Raf, the pillar is a type of bong that uses gridded technology and pillars to increase diffusion.

In the general lounge there are a few conversations going back and forth about pillars where you can learn more. "Pics of your current set up" is a good one to read.

And yeah, that 700 watt heater makes my light flicker when I turn that bad boy on. I think Vaporfection also uses 500 and 600 watt units cause I've returned my unit to them a few times and always got one with a different powered heater when I got it back

 

[stinkmeaner]

Stonemonkey its nice to hear that someone thinks the same as I do about the Aromed, the light bulb seems really cool in theory but from an engineering standpoint it is inefficient.

 

[luchiano]

Luciano, just curious if you've ever used an aromed before? I have, and I found thAt the light bulb doesn't deal with the heat fluctuation (when pulling really hard) that well. Same goes for the apevape. Conceptually I like the idea but I don't think it was executed that well. My

Edit - Raf, the pillar is a type of bong that uses gridded technology and pillars to increase diffusion.

In the general lounge there are a few conversations going back and forth about pillars where you can learn more. "Pics of your current set up" is a good one to read.

And yeah, that 700 watt heater makes my light flicker when I turn that bad boy on. I think Vaporfection also uses 500 and 600 watt units cause I've returned my unit to them a few times and always got one with a different powered heater when I got it back

Nope but I'm tired of dealing with vaporizers that don't have a temperature control or let alone let me know the real temperature I'm at or be very close because this is important for when I want to taste different flavors in the herb.

Like I stated earlier hitting it hard isn't what I want to do and really isn't efficient in getting a high vapor to air ratio. When smoking I like to hit slow because too hard of a hit brings in more air than needed and ends up burning the bud and giving less of a high to me. It comes on faster but I don't get as high as I would if I just hit it light and long.

The same for vaporizing but even better because it's more concentrated. If I hit long and slow I get less air meaning more concentrated hits which gives more flavor. The reason the aromed is so good to me in this aspect is because the water helps keep the lungs going at a steady pace whereas just inhaling plain air unless I take some peppermint to calm my respiratory system(tip!) I feel like I need to pull harder for more air. Also it has such a short path from the bowl to the user whereas if I use a bong type vaporizer I would have to pull harder due to the higher surface area which deletes my main purpose or at the very least makes it harder.

So for me slower is better and the aromed is perfect. Plus I can vape oils with the foam glass pellet screen. I'm getting it.

Let me state that I like to see what people really think about things so I play a mind game to see how they really feel on different part of a particular subject because most people are either too nice or too mean and I might not get a real reason as too why they like or don't like something so I do certain things to bring it out of them but I hope nobody caught offense if I said anything rude which I don't think I did.

Anyway thanks for helping me make my mind up.

 

[stonemonkey55]

Like I stated earlier hitting it hard isn't what I want to do and really isn't efficient in getting a high vapor to air ratio. When smoking I like to hit slow because too hard of a hit brings in more air than needed and ends up burning the bud and giving less of a high to me. It comes on faster but I don't get as high as I would if I just hit it light and long.

The same for vaporizing but even better because it's more concentrated. If I hit long and slow I get less air meaning more concentrated hits which gives more flavor. The reason the aromed is so good to me in this aspect is because the water helps keep the lungs going at a steady pace whereas just inhaling plain air unless I take some peppermint to calm my respiratory system(tip!) I feel like I need to pull harder for more air. Also it has such a short path from the bowl to the user whereas if I use a bong type vaporizer I would have to pull harder due to the higher surface area which deletes my main purpose or at the very least makes it harder.

I must politely disagree here, if you have an airtight seal, hitting it slow or fast wont change the amount of air in your vapor. If your vaporizer can't keep up with the fluctuation in temperature, then that's when you'll have more air added to the mix. As a matter of fact, if you use a vape that utilizes the venturi effect, ie vriptech heat gun, pulling harder actually concentrates the vapor even more.

Being that you've never tried it, I still don't understand why you keep pushing the fact that this will indeed meet your needs. I'm not trying to change your mind here, if you want it, buy all means get it. But the way you talk about it makes it seem like you tried it. I'm just going off of factual experience instead of assumptions.

My point is, you should actually use a vaporizer before promoting that it can do this, that, and the other.

Let me state that I like to see what people really think about things so I play a mind game to see how they really feel on different part of a particular subject because most people are either too nice or too mean and I might not get a real reason as too why they like or don't like something so I do certain things to bring it out of them but I hope nobody caught offense if I said anything rude which I don't think I did.

no mind games needed with me, I'm happy to give you my true thoughts either way. Just knowing that someone is playing mind games actually discourages me from participating in a dialogue now.

 

[spikyvape]

I own a Aromed for some while and i like the vapor it produces.

The socket for the light is ceramic. The temperature sensor is mounted in this socket so it measures
the heat above the lamp. But in my opinon this is a good thing because it is constantly calculating
the heat above wich is calculated for the heat chamber.

About the big hits, well with the VHW you get big hits for sure but from a health point i think the VHW is
getting abused by a lot of users and this is not the way vapor should be, it is getting more towards smoke.

Don't get me wrong i love my VHW for big hits but just my It is just so difficult to put the heat on low
with the VHW With a bong you like to mimmic the smoke.

The aromed wenn turned on 190C gives you smooth hits and it extracts the herbs evenly you get visible
vapor for sure, but it is not a big hit on your lungs as the VHW.

With the same amount of herbs i get a lot higher with the aromed, if i put the same amount in the VHW
i get more stoned / couchlock.

The thing is you should keep in mind that visable vapor as seen on the many videos on youtube is a
waste of herb and a wast of your lungs A good and more healthy vapor is like a light mist not like a big cloud.

With the aromed i love it that it is ready in 60 seconds and the taste is as good as my VHW. Maybe a
bit better because i also put the VHW on a higher temp.

That the 50W halogen is to less is not my opinion, if i wan't i can milk the Aromed for sure.

Just make sure to connect the ptfe holder the right way with the bowl.

 

[Raf007]

Thx Stonemonkey, I'll have a look.

Edit: just saw your vid ! THx !!

 

[luchiano]

Like I stated earlier hitting it hard isn't what I want to do and really isn't efficient in getting a high vapor to air ratio. When smoking I like to hit slow because too hard of a hit brings in more air than needed and ends up burning the bud and giving less of a high to me. It comes on faster but I don't get as high as I would if I just hit it light and long.

The same for vaporizing but even better because it's more concentrated. If I hit long and slow I get less air meaning more concentrated hits which gives more flavor. The reason the aromed is so good to me in this aspect is because the water helps keep the lungs going at a steady pace whereas just inhaling plain air unless I take some peppermint to calm my respiratory system(tip!) I feel like I need to pull harder for more air. Also it has such a short path from the bowl to the user whereas if I use a bong type vaporizer I would have to pull harder due to the higher surface area which deletes my main purpose or at the very least makes it harder.

I must politely disagree here, if you have an airtight seal, hitting it slow or fast wont change the amount of air in your vapor. If your vaporizer can't keep up with the fluctuation in temperature, then that's when you'll have more air added to the mix. As a matter of fact, if you use a vape that utilizes the venturi effect, ie vriptech heat gun, pulling harder actually concentrates the vapor even more.

Being that you've never tried it, I still don't understand why you keep pushing the fact that this will indeed meet your needs. I'm not trying to change your mind here, if you want it, buy all means get it. But the way you talk about it makes it seem like you tried it. I'm just going off of factual experience instead of assumptions.

My point is, you should actually use a vaporizer before promoting that it can do this, that, and the other.

Let me state that I like to see what people really think about things so I play a mind game to see how they really feel on different part of a particular subject because most people are either too nice or too mean and I might not get a real reason as too why they like or don't like something so I do certain things to bring it out of them but I hope nobody caught offense if I said anything rude which I don't think I did.

no mind games needed with me, I'm happy to give you my true thoughts either way. Just knowing that someone is playing mind games actually discourages me from participating in a dialogue now.

If you say so but to me that the temperature fluctuations have nothing to do with the air in the mix that is on how hard you hit. If one inhales slowly there would be less air meaning more concentrated, if you hit fast more air is coming even if the holes are small. Air is lightweight and small and can fill up a lot of space so having a venturi effect is going to stop how much can go in only but so much, it still is on the actual person inhaling. In the cases we are talking about the venturi effect is being used to keep the air hot not really about how much you're taking in.

As far as mind games welcome to the real world because if you live in a capitalist society which we all do you are getting what I did to you EVERYDAY I just let you know what I did. You can get mad at me all you want but it's life. You should be happy I let you know what I was doing. What do you thing these vaporizer business' are doing when they read these messageboards, come up with products that are not that advanced, add some special marketing such as venturi or whatever(no disrespect to vriptech) and sell it to you for a high cost when it isn't that hard or time consuming for you to do for yourself unless it involves electronics and chips which is time consuming?.

Or they know most people don't want to let go of their old habits of bong and pipes so they sell you something utilizing these things when they are less efficient but hype you up to truly believe in it when you aren't getting the best vapor which you can get if you let go of certain ways of thinking and embracing new ways of doing things. Isn't that playing mind games?.

Open up your eyes and see what's going on and be happy I let you know what I was doing and learn from it. I have no problems with you because I know you're mad that I did that to you but I let it be known to take it as a lesson so as you get older you don't waste money on things that aren't needed or follow others because they hit you with what you want to hear and not what you need to hear. This applies to everyone reading my post.

Trust me, in about two years you will be happy I let you see some tricks of the mind game trade because the world is about to change big time and those with their eyes opens(mind) will be able to see all of it happening and be safe.

 

[luchiano]

I own a Aromed for some while and i like the vapor it produces.

The socket for the light is ceramic. The temperature sensor is mounted in this socket so it measures
the heat above the lamp. But in my opinon this is a good thing because it is constantly calculating
the heat above wich is calculated for the heat chamber.

About the big hits, well with the VHW you get big hits for sure but from a health point i think the VHW is
getting abused by a lot of users and this is not the way vapor should be, it is getting more towards smoke.

Don't get me wrong i love my VHW for big hits but just my It is just so difficult to put the heat on low
with the VHW With a bong you like to mimmic the smoke.

The aromed wenn turned on 190C gives you smooth hits and it extracts the herbs evenly you get visible
vapor for sure, but it is not a big hit on your lungs as the VHW.

With the same amount of herbs i get a lot higher with the aromed, if i put the same amount in the VHW
i get more stoned / couchlock.

The thing is you should keep in mind that visable vapor as seen on the many videos on youtube is a
waste of herb and a wast of your lungs A good and more healthy vapor is like a light mist not like a big cloud.

With the aromed i love it that it is ready in 60 seconds and the taste is as good as my VHW. Maybe a
bit better because i also put the VHW on a higher temp.

That the 50W halogen is to less is not my opinion, if i wan't i can milk the Aromed for sure.

Just make sure to connect the ptfe holder the right way with the bowl.

This basically what I was saying in my last post.

It's about what works and not doing what makes me feel comfortable by doing what I'm used to. It's good to start like that but to keep doing it forever is losing in the long run and I think is the reason why a lot of hardcore smokers don't get into vaporizers as much. They don't see it's a new way of doing things which means new procedures need to be learned.

Because vapor is better than smoke getting large clouds and exhaling isn't good because you are wasting it and you taking in more air than needed when using large pipes. Bongs are good for getting the vapor deep into the lungs but a little water filter such as a bubbler and getting a good cardio workout will help you take the vapor deeper into the lungs for more of an affect.

Also, if you can put the temperature where you want it you will get higher due to the lighter oils being extracted first therefore making the blood cells more fluid allowing the heavier cannabinoids to get more absorbed by the cells allowing for one to get higher while still being healthy because once you learn the temperatures of certain oils you can get that temperature and vaporize without burning it.

Vaporizing is beautiful when you realize what can be done and when I learned about the aromed I was in awe but I wasn't sure so I needed time to see what people thought about it in all aspects which is why I did what I did because I noticed people weren't really going in depth with why they liked it or not as far as the things we discussed in this thread.

Anyway thanks again.

 

[Hippie Dickie]

to do for yourself unless it involves electronics and chips which is time consuming

but oh so much fun ... the programming, too.

and be safe

i personally think the absolute best i can do is be lucky.

 

[luchiano]

to do for yourself unless it involves electronics and chips which is time consuming

but oh so much fun ... the programming, too.

and be safe

i personally think the absolute best i can do is be lucky.

I'm sure it is but it takes dedication and if someone is willing to take the time out to do it they deserve to get paid for it.

I've been looking at your product also but I don't know when it will be released. Is there a date on it or is it tba?.

As far being lucky, I used to think like that but luck can only get you so far so I don't rely on that know more. It's still there but not a major factor because once it comes and you miss it, you have to wait a while until it comes back. Luck combined with an open eye is what's needed because if you don't see everything you will only see what you think is luck due to your programming and not luck for what it is, AN OPPORTUNITY.

 

[Hippie Dickie]

an open eye is what's needed

i agree ... like Carlos Castaneda/Don Juan used to describe as the "cubic centimeter of chance" that one should notice. Habits prevent actually seeing what is happening in front of my eyes.

re: Bud Toaster ... tba. i'm at the point in the PID control theory where it states "diddle with the coefficients", so i am.

 

[exdmd]

The Aromed is far from a gimmick. I've been using mine over a month now. It is a serious vaporizer that really delivers. You can load the chamber with a tenth of a gram if you are conserving weed, or put a half gram in for a whole evening session. Just take a pull when you want, the bulb immediately goes up to the preset temp, then dims when you are done. I cannot overstate the convenience. Lovely taste, absolutely no resistance on the inhale, you can vary the high by varying the temp from 370 to 420. So what if it uses a halogen bulb as a heat source? It works and works very well.

Wish I had bought the Aromed first. The Myrtlezap sits unused, I much prefer the Aromed. No more filling multiple stems and wearing myself out sucking on those stems. I can get baked in just a few minutes with the Aromed. I feel it would be hard to go wrong the the Aromed as a first vape, as long as you like the looks of it and can afford it.