Aromed 4.0

[Aimless Ryan]

Wow, I'm surprised to hear they actually make herb holders with shorter herb chambers. A shorter herb chamber is something I thought about long before I made my first dough riser. Wish I had known they exist a week ago, as well as how to get one.

I'll be curious to hear about whatever mods you may end up trying.

 

[TboneToker]

Wow, I'm surprised to hear they actually make herb holders with shorter herb chambers. A shorter herb chamber is something I thought about long before I made my first dough riser. Wish I had known they exist a week ago, as well as how to get one.

I'll be curious to hear about whatever mods you may end up trying.

The thing is they invented it last year and haven't released it I was (one of?) the test subjects and I told them they should have three different sizes. The large that it comes with, the medium one I used, and a small one for people who like tiny doses

I bet they will release the shorter models soon, I had to reply to him he had been waiting for my opinion so I finally told him after more than a year. I had to use it enough to really see. Maybe I'll post pictures tommorow of the size differences, but there should be a slightly smaller size In my opinion because this medium one they sent me is only maybe a quarter inch shorter I think it should be 3 quarters or at least half.

 

[KittensTasteYummy]

Just wanted to comment that I'm intrigued and impressed with the improvements being made here! I moved onto dabbing a long time ago and put my Aromed in the closet. Other than ease and quick effect, one of the things that drew me away from the Aromed was savings. The amount of grounds I had to use along with time until effect got old after awhile (though I feel it was still better than my even older Extreme Q). I enjoyed the ritual and experience but as I'm often in severe pain, the Aromed took too long to kick in (when compared to dabbing). Anyway, the next time I get some bud I will be giving this a shot! The smaller qty of grounds needed in the bowl along with the quick onset sounds like a good excuse to dust my Aromed off and fire her up again! Thanks for the insight!

 

[Aimless Ryan]

Please do. Based on a couple things you said, I think you will see the same difference I have experienced. Also, if you do it with flour and water like I have done, don't be afraid to ask me for tips. I have figured out some tricks that I haven't necessarily shared here.

I wish I could try it the way @lazylathe did it. (That was you, right?) I am basically doing the same thing, but from a more primitive perspective.

And even though I haven't said much lately, nothing's going to change (except that I'm almost certainly going to buy an Underdog before this month ends). I thought this mod was going to put that off for a while, if not completely, but people just keep reporting about how awesome their Underdog is. Don't think I have ever read about anyone being remotely disappointed with their @underdog.

 

[TboneToker]

[...] Anyway, the next time I get some bud I will be giving this a shot! The smaller qty of grounds needed in the bowl along with the quick onset sounds like a good excuse to dust my Aromed off and fire her up again! Thanks for the insight!

Kittens I would definitely recommend trying it again. After a slight modification on my aromed (just used some spacers to push the screen up) she hits me quicker and harder and not only that but as @Aimless Ryan said, you can use less material, I also noticed that the temperature range is greater (what it should have been from the start) I can vape as low as 340 if I like. Before It had to be at least 370 Fahrenheit.

Yesterday I changed the light in my aromed and noticed that my heat sensor looks .. well like burnt? It seems to be working fine because I still get the same vapor quality I have always gotten but it definitely looks burnt up a bit which I find odd.

 

[Aimless Ryan]

It really makes me happy that people are taking me seriously and giving this a try. Thank you.

 

[To_thy_cloud]

I just got around to replacing all the parts I thought I needed in my aromed, only to find out it's broken beyond my repair abilities. Is it worth sending to Europe if I have no warranty ?

 

[KittensTasteYummy]

Please do. Based on a couple things you said, I think you will see the same difference I have experienced. Also, if you do it with flour and water like I have done, don't be afraid to ask me for tips. I have figured out some tricks that I haven't necessarily shared here.

Thanks, I appreciate it! I'm considering a few different material options, I'll post in the future when I make a decision. Should I have any questions or choose to go with your well vetted idea, I will definitely be contacting you!

Another option that I've toyed with in the past was ordering a custom made and shorter bowl much like what has been discussed here in past pages. I spoke with a glass blower who said he could likely make a shorter version of the aromed bowl. I'm trying to find his contact info (it was awhile ago), but if I can't and still decide to explore this route I'm sure there are plenty of capable glass blowers/workers who could do the same. Additionally, I could swear that early last year I found a custom made shorter version in-stock and for sale online. I remember bookmarking it but can't find the link. Might still be available with a bit of searching? Even so, I probably won't end up getting a custom piece. I already have 5 bowl's for the Aromed and I really don't need to be getting more, so your idea looks much more appealing!

Sadly, it's going to be a couple of months before I can get around to any of this. I'm bleeding $$ at the moment on a complete D-Nail setup and accessories. I've also just started enacting plans to build a homemade vice-based rosin press. Once the rosin press is complete I'll be getting bud again normally and will also be pulling my baby out of the closet to give this a shot!

Kittens I would definitely recommend trying it again.

Don't worry, I fully intend to, Thanks!

Is it worth sending to Europe if I have no warranty ?

Absolutely (unless the entire thing is crushed flat after being run over, or something). I would, however, only send it to Germany (especially out of warranty), as a very last resort! I can think of two potentially cheaper options:

(1.) Email Research & Experience asking for a list of US authorized repair centers where you can send your item for paid repair (their warranty mentions them, or at least it used to).

(2.) Visit a nearby electronics repair shop and inquire if they can perform the repair. A decent one will be able to repair it and find replacement parts, even specialized ones. **Unless it's a long trip, I would advise visiting over calling. You will generally get better service and real answers about a repair in person. On the phone you are more likely to be told no because tech's don't want to be tied to the phone, answering questions about a product they can't see, for a customer that likely won't even come in.

I managed to find replacement parts for my old Extreme Q by ordering direct from a factory in Malaysia, so it can be done. Additionally, if a repair shop can't find a part on their own, they also have the option of sourcing it directly from the manufacturers repair shop in Germany, and billing you for the shipping charges and part price in addition to labor. Good luck on getting her repaired, I hope it's quick and not very costly!

 

[Aimless Ryan]

I just got around to replacing all the parts I thought I needed in my aromed, only to find out it's broken beyond my repair abilities. Is it worth sending to Europe if I have no warranty ?

Man, that sucks. I hope you are able to find a solution. I'm sure I speak for most other contributors to this thread when I say I will gladly help you if I can. Details?

Before trying my dough riser mod, I was under the impression everyone else's unmodified Aromed works infinitely better than mine. Now, though, thanks to other people's response to my riser mod, I feel like the problems I had are common, if not very common (or universal) with Aromed owners. It kind of seems that, like myself, many other Aromed owners just realized their Aromed does not perform how it could and should perform. In a way I'm relieved, but in another way I'm very disappointed (because I don't want everyone to have an essentially broken $350-$440 vape).

Even though my modified Aromed is infinitely more useful than it was prior to modification, I think I can still only give it 3 stars. However, it may be capable of earning 4.5 to 5 bright stars with a few minor production revisions. I mean, as careful as I am with mine, I have already had to replace both glass pieces less than six months after purchasing it. That's $100. That's half the price of an Underdog, which won't do that to me. Not to mention, @underdog and @underdogette are legendary for their commitment to making sure you get everything you think you're getting (and more) when you buy an Underdog.

What I don't understand is why the Aromed's design has never been revised. Considering it is made by Germans, I would expect an obsessive commitment to quality, if not perfection, in terms of function and ergonomics. Which I suppose is a big reason why I chose the Aromed as my first vape. The function of my mods could be easily replicated (and made standard) with a small redesign or by adding a couple options (a short herb chamber and/or a medium-height herb chamber).

Another thing that bugs me about the Aromed, which I have said before, is that I don't want my glassware strapped to the back of the machine. Ever. Unless perhaps the display and buttons were on the side of the machine instead of the front.

You know what I would like to be located on the back of the machine? The power cord.

I kind of feel like Research & Development has left the door wide open for someone to steal their concept and improve it, then give it a facelift and rebrand it, as there is lots of room for improvement. In fact, I'm surprised it hasn't already been done, because I feel like these deficiencies are easy to spot, even for someone fairly new to vaping, like myself.

Last but not least: I can't remember if someone said this to me privately or earlier in the thread, but someone said the riser mod makes it so their herb holder doesn't get too hot to touch. I have also experienced this, and it is a huge positive.

I'm still waiting for the glassware I ordered a week ago. Hopefully it will arrive tomorrow.

By the way, I made pizza for the first time in almost a year yesterday. Didn't know if I would physically be able to do it (particularly because my NY style pizzas start out as 19" but bake on an 18" stone, with no pan). Not perfect, but still better than just about every pizza I have ever bought. The best part may be that it costs me essentially nothing and feeds me for two days.

 

[TboneToker]

Ryan I think you're onto something. Making an improved aromed would be fantastic but I think the herbalizer is basically that. Although I do prefer that the halogen light is above the herb like the aromed to lose less materials when I'm not vaping

P.s I have just taken my last bowl through my sovereignty kingsize down gridded bong! What a gnarly hit..I kept packing the bowl as I smoked it. But that's it everyone! From now on I am on a t break until I buy a volcano next week and then I am going to try micro dosing like Ryan and many others here! I LOVE THIS COMMUNITY I know it's called fuck combustion but it really it's about overall health and life improving!

*edit Dat pizza pie

 

[Aimless Ryan]

This shocks me, but I keep finding 456° (with the screen about 5-7 mm below the light) to be too harsh for me to enjoy. Consequently, I have found myself vaping mainly at 400° until there are no more clouds, then finishing at 456°.

Without modification, I had to keep it at 456° all the time, which seemed equivalent to well below 400° with my current mod.

 

[luchiano]

Damn @Aimless Ryan you made flour bowls, that's wild! Sorry for the reply being so late, but I've been really busy. I've been reading some of the posts, though.

Like someone else wrote, some small bowls were created for the Aromed, but the place I saw it at was German, and they never replied back to me. Plus, I felt no need for it because I use the Aromed for "pure" hits, and when I want thicker clouds to get more of a rush from the clouds activating my sympathetic nervous system, I use my magic flight.

As people who know me around here know, I don't like clouds when I want to get a certain high. I like thin, almost invisible clouds so my nervous system stays calm, and I can process more cannabinoids. This allows more thc to got to my skin, and other organs, besides just my brain ,and give me a more better high. When you take in clouds, you activate your sympathetic nervous system(allegedly), and this gives the quick acting high we know from smoking. The only problem is the more clouds you take in, and the more activated your sympathetic nervous system, the less high you can get the more you puff. You reach a ceiling, at least for me.

When the vapor is thin, and the temperature is accurate, and stable throughout the inhale, you can extract what you want with very little condensation, which is what a cloud is. That means more can get absorbed into the lungs, and that means more high. The thing is you need to do a lot of puffs to get the strong high, because being that the nervous system is in relax mode, you won't feel the high right away, and it will hit you slowly, but when it hits, oh boy! Sometimes I like to take in a big cloud first by using the magic flight or a hit of a smoking pipe, then finish my session vaping with the Aromed. Getting a thick cloud revs up my system, and that allows me to feel the effects fast, but using the Aromed after, keeps the high going longer, and it feels more "well rouded".

@Aimless Ryan Keep up the creativity!

 

[TboneToker]

This shocks me, but I keep finding 456° (with the screen about 5-7 mm below the light) to be too harsh for me to enjoy. Consequently, I have found myself vaping mainly at 400° until there are no more clouds, then finishing at 456°.

Without modification, I had to keep it at 456° all the time, which seemed equivalent to well below 400° with my current mod.

Ryan I do not have to vape at 456 why do you use such Huge temps mine works well with 350 to 380. Perhaps all the aromed are slightly different? Screen is about where the c is (in the middle of it) and I get great results!

Maybe your aromed is cooler than mine overall.

Luciano! Welcome back to the Aromed page we've missed you here. Always good to see differing perspectives!

 

[luchiano]

Can you show me the link to the mesh connections please? Thank You...

http://mounting.scotchbrand.com/wps...g/?N=7584065+7583086+7584073+3294529207&rt=r3

Or just use the smaller ones from 3M that are like little stickersthat you can put on a table to keep your water holder stable. Amazon sells them.

 

[Aimless Ryan]

why do you use such Huge temps mine works well with 350 to 380.

I guess because my objective is usually to turn off a lot of pain and other kinds of discomfort. I always hurt. A lot. And my muscles are about 10 times tighter than muscles are ever supposed to be. And spasticity. Spasticity is miserable. It happens regardless of how I consume cannabis, but I feel like it happens less if I vape at the highest temperature possible.

Or maybe I just don't know enough about cannabis to know why I do it.

 

[TboneToker]

I guess because my objective is usually to turn off a lot of pain and other kinds of discomfort. I always hurt. A lot. And my muscles are about 10 times tighter than muscles are ever supposed to be. And spasticity. Spasticity is miserable. It happens regardless of how I consume cannabis, but I feel like it happens less if I vape at the highest temperature possible.

Or maybe I just don't know enough about cannabis to know why I do it.

Ooh Okay, but does your aromed work well at lower temps? I'm just wondering cause I want to know more about the machine

 

[Aimless Ryan]

I think it works at least fairly well with the screen raised considerably, but not with the screen in its normal position at the bottom of the herb chamber. I'll try to remember to vape at low temperatures tomorrow. If I remember correctly, 330°F was about the lowest temperature that produced any visible vapor the few times I tried to figure out the lowest temperature that would produce vapor (with the screen very close to the heat source).

 

[KittensTasteYummy]

@TboneToker

I'm about to take a nap so I'll write more on this later if anyone want's further clarification.

Updated.. x2

In general, the Aromed is an amazing unit that was designed for, and works great at, both lower and higher temperatures (though it's marketed more for lower temperatures as they will generally provide a healthier overall medicinal experience). I actually like the design and can understand the reason they set it up they way they did (that's not to say things couldn't be further advanced and fine-tuned, or more options provided).

Here's a couple basic reasons I like both the current design and vaping at lower temperatures (there are plenty more that I could also list)...

(1.) Preserves terpenes
(2.) Keeps a lot of the heavier cannabinoids many people want to avoid at-bay (CBN for example)
(3.) Allows for a greater overall high with the same amount of material (when using for a long time and slowly increasing the temperature during your vape)
(4.) Provides a much more efficient consumption method by consuming buds slower and extracting more good stuff at lower temperatures
(5.) At lower temperatures you are going to get higher doses of CBD, the miracle pain relief cannabinoid
(6.) *Note, after a bit of time using a fresh bowl of bud you will notice the vapor trail start to disappear. Even when it get's to the point were you can't really see the vapor, it's still producing it and will still continue to further medicate you for a good amount of time more!

A lot of people enjoy the extended sessions and don't mind things taking a bit of time. Additionally, many of their target consumers have cheap access to buds (or grow their own) and aren't as concerned with filling up the entire bowl as others.

I would like to add that there are appropriate times to vape at higher temperatures and some people simply enjoy it more! When I'm trying to sleep I use the higher temperatures to get more of the cannabinoids that make you sluggish, tired, and lazy (couch lock). Also, several of these heavier and 'couch lock' effecting cannabinoids help to provide some additional pain relief.

With all of that said..., the option of raising the screen and using a smaller quantity of bud is a great modification!

My particular reason to stop using the Aromed was due mostly to time of onset. When I was in a ton of pain I needed something that worked much faster, so I changed methods to dabbing.

Raising the screen (or using a smaller bowl) will provide a much quicker onset using less material and would actually allow the Aromed to be used for decently fast pain relief (still not as fast as dabbing). Of course you are going to get higher doses of less popular cannabinoids, burnt off terpenes, and less efficient overall use, but you will feel the effect much quicker and without filling up the bowl!

 

[luchiano]

I just tried an old technique I used to use to get the herb to heat up faster, and I was thinking it may help others who want clouds off of a small amount of herb.

First you grind your herb real well to make sure it is uniform. Almost to a pwder, but not that fine. Then, after you put the herb into the holder, Pat down the herb to where it is almost a flat pancake, but you are still able to get good airflow. This should help with getting some clouds, and getting the herb to heat up fast, because it forces the hot air to go through the herb more, instead of around it. Just inhale for 10 seconds each inhale to make sure the hot air has time to evenly heat the herb. Remember, the Aromed is pure convection, so if no air is being inhaled, no chance for the herb to get to the proper temperature.

I just learned starting the temperature at around 440f for the first inhale, then dropping it to whatever temperature you want, is also good to help heat up the herb faster, and see some type of clouds. Try it out. Peace everyone!

 

[TboneToker]

"I just learned starting the temperature at around 440f for the first inhale"

Damn smart @luchiano

 

[KittensTasteYummy]

I just tried an old technique I used to use to get the herb to heat up faster, and I was thinking it may help others who want clouds off of a small amount of herb.

Great advice! You just shared Aromed's both official and favorite technique for proper use. Especially important is the step of lightly tamping down the material! Several of the people I've talked with who don't like their Aromed weren't aware of this step and skipped it. It's simple enough but for some reason a lot of people choose to do things differently with a worse result.

The thing is you need to do a lot of puffs to get the strong high, because being that the nervous system is in relax mode, you won't feel the high right away, and it will hit you slowly, but when it hits, oh boy!

Absolutely agree! This is one of the reasons I was drawn to the Aromed in the first place and why I love (and miss) the experience of using it, especially before bed. Setting it on low and slowly increasing the temperature, to get a gradually increasing high rather than an immediate one, is about the best experience I've found! The high slowly creeps up on you, like an assassin stalking you to the grave, and it's not entirely noticeable at first. One moment I'm asking myself if this thing is even working and the next thing you know I've forgotten that I was even getting high! It takes near an hour for me to get high this way but when it finally hit's, WOW! It's stronger than anything I get from the more immediate methods. Even better, the process is so efficient that there's still enough 'punch' left in the previous nights bowl for me to wake and bake in the morning without changing anything out.

If my pain hadn't greatly increased to the point of always needing immediate relief, I would still be using my Aromed today! I'm going to be extracting my own rosin soon which will require me to have an ample supply of bud on hand once again (instead of just concentrates), so I'll be setting this baby back up and enjoying her in the very near future!

Another thing I like about the Aromed that I feel is important (though a lot of people don't agree with me) would be it's high quality, contaminant free, airway! There are no plastic, chemical, or other parts in the mix that could present a potential hazard. A lot of the other vaporizers I've owned and used in the past always scared me a bit (especially the Extreme Q).

I think it works at least fairly well with the screen raised considerably, but not with the screen in its normal position at the bottom of the herb chamber.

If you haven't tried vaping at lower temperatures with the screen in it's normal spot for at least 30-60 minutes, there's a good chance you haven't experienced the entire effect possible with this baby. I would encourage you to do so just to experience the difference, even if it's not something you would normally do. If you do try this out I would suggest you consider raising the temp 5 to 10 degrees every 10 minutes or so. I would also consider adding more bud to the bowl when the screen is in it's normal spot. Assuming you have the older dish without the newly updated logo, I usually fill my bowl between: 1/2 - 3/4, of the way up to the bottom of the "C" in MAGIC. To get extra medicated, I will either fill up to the bottom of the "C" (never higher!), or cycle through two smaller bowls.

That said, I'm not nocking your setup! I like that it gives an immediate effect and uses less bud. There are distinct advantages to vaping at lower temperatures that you won't get with your setup. At the same time, from what you've said, you are reaping quicker effects and other benefits that suit your needs much better. I also experience severe pain much like you. I can understand and relate to the problem you face when using the Aromed in the traditional way but need much more immediate relief. Thats what drew me to dabbing and away from the Aromed in the first place. Your take solves the problem and provides quicker relief without needing to go out and purchase brand new equipment like I did! I'm still happy I got into Dabbing as I absolutely love it! At the same time, I still love the Aromed and see no reason why one can't use both (I have many times in the past).

 

[Aimless Ryan]

If my pain hadn't greatly increased to the point of always needing immediate relief, I would still be using my Aromed today!

I live in unending pain, and I now love my Aromed (but only when modified). There is almost no chance I will ever use it unmodified again, because it is essentially useless that way. I used to think I got high when I used it unmodified, but it turned out I was just dizzy from trying too hard (hyperventilation?).

There are distinct advantages to vaping at lower temperatures that you won't get with your setup.

Why does anyone think I can't vape at lower temperatures with my mod? I still have the same temperature control buttons I've always had. Except now they mean something.

The temperature display on the machine means essentially nothing. That number is either a guess or it reflects the temperature inside the lightbulb cover. (This is obvious to me because the red light starts to blink after the same amount of time regardless of whether the lightbulb is inside the herb holder, where heat cannot escape).

The temperature at the screen is not the same temperature as the temperature inside the lightbulb cover, or even close. The farther away something is from a heat source, the lower its temperature. That's precisely why we are able to comfortably breathe the 450° air that comes from the lightbulb.

When you smoke out of a tiny glass pipe, the fire 2" in front of your face does not burn you, either outside the pipe or inside the pipe. That's because for every unit of distance the heat from the fire travels, its temperature goes down. The same thing happens when you keep a heat source more than an inch above the herbs you want heated.

Try to combust some herbs by keeping a flame at least an inch above a bowl of herbs. It won't work. In fact, it won't even be hot enough to vape said herbs.

All I have done by raising my herbs is increase the temperature. My mod does not change the affects of a specific temperature; it changes the temperature by moving the herbs to a hotter zone. Which is the same thing you're doing by using a larger load. (I have used as much as a gram per load, which I will never do again.)

If I want to be warmer, I sit closer to the fire. All my risers do is put my herbs closer to the fire, which makes them warmer than when they sit farther from the fire. If I use my Aromed without a riser, the displayed temperature is bullshit; it's wrong by 100°F. It's that simple.

Throughout my life I have been known to overanalyze things; just about everything. Not this. I may have been overanalyzing this thing for five months before I tried using a riser, but not now. Now it simply works.

That's because overanalyzing is (or can be) the same thing as science.

 

[KittensTasteYummy]

If I use my Aromed without a riser, the displayed temperature is bullshit; it's wrong by 100°F. It's that simple.

I get you don't like it un-modded. Maybe you have a broken unit or some other problem. I do know for a fact that mine, and others, works correctly the way it was designed and gets me very medicated should I choose to use it as the designer intended.

Why does anyone think I can't vape at lower temperatures with my mod?

I'm not sure we did. However your previous post (commented below) has you saying that you will try to remember to vape at low temps, making it sound like you haven't tried it that much.

I'll try to remember to vape at low temperatures tomorrow.

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Apolagize, I was only trying to help! I get that I wasn't & I won't bug you anymore with any of this. Good Luck in your endeavors!

 

[funkyjunky]

haha the idea with the dough is very good and funny!

not to be a downer but id be aware of the maillard reaction which occures above 180degC and formes acryl amide. the browning on your fillers tells me that acryl amide has formed...oposed to bread where it gets eaten you even inhaled it. id move on to a more inert material. metal,clay (needs to be burned,torche i.e.) something like that.

 

[Aimless Ryan]

Apolagize, I was only trying to help! I get that I wasn't & I won't bug you anymore with any of this. Good Luck in your endeavors!

What is your problem? What you were responding to there was a serious, legitimate response to something you asked me.

I have drafted a pretty long post throughout today, responding legitimately and nicely to certain things people have said over the last day or so, but I probably won't post it now because a couple people just want to tell me I'm wrong about everything without even trying the things I have shared, yet providing absolutely no support for what they say.

Guess what. You are wrong, and if you would only try what I have been doing, you would find out very quickly that you are wrong. I am sorry you have to make up reasons to convince yourself you didn't waste $400 on your Aromed, but you probably did.

There are at least a couple people here who have basically said, "My Aromed is freaking amazing, but I never use it."

Really? That makes sense.

I share the things I have shared solely to help people learn what I have learned by doing things that other people would never try on their own. I have been wrong a lot in this thread. And when I have been wrong, I have made it very clear that I was wrong.

If you want to waste an hour every day doing what should take you five minutes, I'm not going to stop you.