Aromed 4.0

[luchiano]

I just bought an used Aromed 4.0. Visually it is in a very good condition.
Because I'm curious and own a precision digital thermometer with K type detector I measured.

For that purpose I inserte the detector cable through a tiny hole in the tube, going through the water bottle and up to the holder. I positioned the end of the detector on the same height as the screen in the herb holder.

Than I set the temperatur on the aromed to 190°C.

After 4 minutes I inhaled some longt strokes. My thermometer shows a maximum of 105°C.

The thermometer is a "Voltcraft K204 Datalogger".

Is that an indication that the aromed is damaged?

Did any of you measured in a similar way?

Is my expectation/ my measurement wrong?

Thanks for your advice (sorry for my poor English).

Did you inhale following the red dot on the screen? When you are inhaling correctly its supposed to be blinking.

If you did, contact Aromed directly.

 

[reziropav]

Did you inhale following the red dot on the screen? When you are inhaling correctly its supposed to be blinking.

If you did, contact Aromed directly.

Yes I inhaled in that correct way.
Did anyone of you measured his Aromed?

When you enter e.g. 130°C, can you touch the glas holder at the outside, when you inhale without burning your finger tips?
Ist there any visual change in the herbs, when you use that temperature?

Yes, I contacted Aromed directly and hope they will answer soon.

Of course I checked the thermometer with cooking water (100°C). The thermometer measures absolutly correctly.
I can reproduce the results in several different measurements. The difference between nominal and measured temperature is always extremly high.

 

[luchiano]

@reziropav How is the brightness of the bulb? I seen a video comparing two Aromed's and the issue was found with the bulb being used.

Maybe try getting a new bulb. Maybe the user who sold it to you used a poor bulb. Aromed creator recommended the Osram 6440s

http://www.lampline.com/64440s-osram-352-p

 

[reziropav]

@luchiano
What you say means:
The temperature at the herbs depends on the quality/age of the bulb and not on the given temperature (via the display).

I can't believe that, because inside the bulb holder (only some millimeter next to the bulb) there's a temperature measurement sensor.

My bulb is an osram 6440.

But thanks for your hint.

 

[J-Kill9109]

Hi FC community, first post here, long time reader/researcher of vapes. I have owned an Aromed since February of this year. This vape definitely has a few nuances that people should know. As others have stated before me, less is more. This thing is incredibly efficient. One thing you must understand about the Aromed is that it actually takes a few drags to get the herb heated up, and if you let it sit, theres an incubation period of about one drag before you get vapor again, but don't let this thing fool ya, just because you sat it down and came back to a dry hit doesn't mean its over, stay patient and hit it a few times and you'll be rolling in vapor again. Another is that the vape tends to get hot spots, nothing a good stirring every three to four hits can't solve. I have also seen others promoting using their ABV for making butter. I have another suggestion for those of us that can't wait to save up two OZ. What I like to do is do an initial vape of 190 degrees Celsius, and then put that in a air tight container for a rainy day. When I run out of fresh green, I have a good sized stash of ABV that can be Re-vaped at 235 C for a really stoney (but still incredibly Heddie) high. I have saved so much money doing that, that I cannot think of a better way of using my ABV. I have owned quite a few other vaporizers (Vaporite Hyper, MFLB, Extreme Q, and a Vapman) and I can say that every aspect of the Aromed tromps all my other vapes, other than portability, which I give an overwhelming egde to the Vapman for its' lack of reliance on electricity. The Aromed isn't for everyone, if you aren't serious about vaporizing you will feel slighted by its vapor production, and be frustrated. One thing I can say defending its lack of gigantic clouds: I challenge anyone to feel more medicated using the same amount of herb in another vaporizer. I can fully with all confidence recommend this vaporizer to anyone serious about their health and even to recreational users for its amazing herb saving abilities once you get to know it.

 

[luchiano]

@luchiano
What you say means:
The temperature at the herbs depends on the quality/age of the bulb and not on the given temperature (via the display).

I can't believe that, because inside the bulb holder (only some millimeter next to the bulb) there's a temperature measurement sensor.

My bulb is an osram 6440.

But thanks for your hint.

That is what I was told, it wasn't my thinking.

From what the creator informed me, the temperature where the bulb is, is the temperature before you inhale. Once you inhale, it gets hotter to compensate for the cooler air coming in. That's why you inhale at a rate that keeps the dot blinking, it lets you know you are inhaling at a rate that the machine is calibrated at, and that's 3 liters of air, every 15 seconds So in essence, the temperature is hotter, the closer you get to the bulb, when you are inhaling, and gets to be the temperature on the screen the closer you get to the screen.

 

[reziropav]

Away from my problem with the temperature:

Is there any nice mod which makes it easier to fit the bulb into the herb holder in a vertikal direction from above?

The force which is neccessary to bend the holder of the bulb is quite strong and results in a glas water bottle which does not stand rectangular anymore.
Not a big problem, but not really nice.

 

[luchiano]

@reziropav This was from a post in this thread that may help you.

Frank Fuchs of AroMed said:
I have attached a foto to show how you can provide a good setting of the heater grip. Hold the grip tight to the herbholder and bend back the gooseneck.

Make sure you lube up the connection between the herb holder, and the water holder, because it will stick, and be hard to disconnect. Using some oil on both sides should help prevent this. If you don't want to use oil, you can use a product made for preventing glass from getting stuck called "Joint wax".

http://aqualabtechnologies.com/glass-accessories-1/joint-wax.html

 

[reziropav]

@luchiano
When you increase inhaling the bulb gets brighter.
My interpretation:
The air temperature next to the bulb is measured by the sensor.
The bulb has a maximum heat which it can produce.
And that means there's a maximum amount of air per time unit which can be heated to specific temperature.

I suppose the sensor measures the change of air temperature per time unit and the result is the blinking signal.
It simply shows when you inhale to fast to let the aromed keep the temperature.

All that means that a user should expect exactly the given temperature - as long he does not inhale to fast (same as "dot blinks").

Correct me please if you think my thoughts are wrong.

 

[reziropav]

@luchiano
Thanks for the picture with from Frank Fuchs.

May be someone of the readers of this thread has modded the gooseneck and likes to show how.

 

[luchiano]

that is it!

On your unit, does the sensor look like its been moved or out of place? In the manual it says to make sure you never touch the sensor.

 

[reziropav]

The sensor looks fine. But I have no reference how it should look. I will post a picture. Can you recommend a provider to upload pictures to get an URL?

 

[luchiano]

The sensor looks fine. But I have no reference how it should look. I will post a picture. Can you recommend a provider to upload pictures to get an URL?

I don't post picture to the net so I have no idea, but, here's a picture that was posted in this thread, and does it look like this?

 

[reziropav]

Thanks. Yes it looks exactly like that.

 

[reziropav]

The pictures show how I measured. The last picture shows the position of the built in sensor next to the bulb.

 

[luchiano]

@reziropav Try measuring the temperature with the screen in place. Put the sensor under the screen, and see if you find the same thing. I emailed Aromed about this, and what they said made sense. If you don't have a highly conductive material where the temperature is measured, the cooler parts below the herb holder will cause a cooling effect. It does make sense. They also said to use more then one probe. Try it out, and see what happens.

I looked up the thermal conductivity of stainless steel, and it isn't high. The post they sent me said that you have to use a perforated ultrathin material like silver. Maybe putting the sensors just a little bit above the screen may be a better idea.

 

[reziropav]

I mailed to Frank Fuchs a day ago. I'm sure he will answer me, as soon he find's the time.

What do you please mean with "with screen in place"?
The glas over the bulb?

If so: it is impossible to put my own k-type sensor inside. The thread of the glas is to narrow. I can put it through one of the 4 holes. But than I cannot control the position of the tip of my sensor.

Mr. Fuchs told me, that my position of my sensor (showed in the first picture) is correct.

 

[luchiano]

I mean the screen where the herb goes. The metal screen that came with the unit to place your plant material. Put the sensor just a tad above it, and see if that changes the outcome of the temperature measurement.

 

[J-Kill9109]

Another thing you might try is to completely load it and measure the temp right below the herb as it may affect pressure in the chamber and allow for higher temps when air pulls through? Just a thought I'm not sure if that would produce more accurate results.

 

[luchiano]

Another thing you might try is to completely load it and measure the temp right below the herb as it may affect pressure in the chamber and allow for higher temps when air pulls through? Just a thought I'm not sure if that would produce more accurate results.

If he loads it completely, the temperature under the herb will be cooler because the calibration is done at the screen. Once you load the chamber with herb, the top portion of the herb will be the temperature, and he would have to do a long inhale to get the temperature of the bottom of the herb to give a correct measurement.

He can use just a small amount, inhale for at least 20 seconds, and see how the measurements come out. Also, see if the small sensor can go through the holes of the screen, and measure it like that.

 

[reziropav]

@luch

I mean the screen where the herb goes. The metal screen that came with the unit to place you plant material. Put the sensor just a tad above it, and see if that changes the outcome of the temperature measurement.

That's exactly how I did it. Please see my first photo.

And: Frank Fuchs told me, that my way of measuring is correct. He saw my picture too.

What would help me, if someone who owns a thermometer could try to measure in same way as me.

Than I would know if my Aromed is broken.

 

[luchiano]

No, I mean put the actual screen into the herb holder, put a little bit of plant material on top of the screen, then measure. Stainless steel has a low thermal conductivity, and the screens are made from them, so try to put the sensor a little above the screen where the herb is at. Or see if the sensor can go in between the holes of the screen itself.

@reziropav Are you sure you showed him the same picture of the type k-element sensor measuring without a screen in place?

 

[reziropav]

@luchiano
As I wrote before Mr. Fuchs told me, that my way of positioning the sensor is correct.
It seems logical for me, because it is a measurement of hot air. Therefore it is irrelevant if the herb holder contains a screen or not or if it contains a little a amount of herbs or no herbs.

The only factors which counts is the position relative to the bulb and the strongness of inhalation. And of course the duration of the strokes.

Unfortunately I don't know anyone in my town who owns an Aromed, so I could measure there to compare.

The facts of my measurements could be interpretated as a sign that my Aromed electronic is damaged.

The difference of the temperature is so high. I do not talk about some degrees.

My data in detail:

room temperature: 19°C
distance of my sensor to scre cap: 11mm

first measurement

given temperature: 130°C
measured temperature without inhaling: ~35°C
measured temperature with constant inhaling (dot blinking) about 20 s: ~57°C

second measurement

190
~43
~79

 

[reziropav]

Is there may be any reading this thread, lives in Berlin and would allow me to bring my thermometer and my herbholder to check his Aromed? That would be great.

 

[luchiano]

@luchiano
As I wrote before Mr. Fuchs told me, that my way of positioning the sensor is correct.
It seems logical for me, because it is a measurement of hot air. Therefore it is irrelevant if the herb holder contains a screen or not or if it contains a little a amount of herbs or no herbs.

The only factors which counts is the position relative to the bulb and the strongness of inhalation. And of course the duration of the strokes.

Unfortunately I don't know anyone in my town who owns an Aromed, so I could measure there to compare.

The facts of my measurements could be interpretated as a sign that my Aromed electronic is damaged.

The difference of the temperature is so high. I do not talk about some degrees.

My data in detail:

room temperature: 19°C
distance of my sensor to scre cap: 11mm

first measurement

given temperature: 130°C
measured temperature without inhaling: ~35°C
measured temperature with constant inhaling (dot blinking) about 20 s: ~57°C

second measurement

190
~43
~79

Having no filled chamber would effect the temperature because the cooler air below the herb holder will lower the temperature of the hot air above it because you have nothing separating the two. I don't know how else to explain it but, this is what I was sent as an answer:

"The way you did, no go! Proposal:To simulate the filling by inserting an ultra thin perforated sheet of very highly conductive material(Cu= no,Ag= yes) into the holder and measure the temp with more than one probe..Thus,a relatively accurate result is obtained with Type K element. Like you did, with the very small measuring point from the thermocouple the chill-factor effects occur=measuring point remains below the temp. of airflow."