Arizer Taste Problem

[ladysmoke420]

Hey guy n gal vaporists! I have two setups: A EQ Extreme Vaporizer (one of the oldschool ones, v3 but just straight whip model) which I run through a small bong. And a MFLB, purrrty awesome.

With the MFLB I get way more taste than EQ, in fact I hardly get any taste on the EQ. All research I've done should indicate otherwise since EQ is glass on glass? I've had the same experience regardless of varying degrees of clean or dirty elbow/whip, vapebong water. It's wierd because there is no taste. It's like neutralized instead of tasting worser as its dirtier, there's no taste. With same strains too... I'm not exactly sure but I also remember that whip only had better taste than through bong... With the MFLB I taste it way stronger and also for much longer. I theorize it's bc there's no water and the airpathway is way shorter, but not sure, anyone got any info on this? I thought the water would make taste even cleaner. I use bottled btw so it's like the bestest shit...

 

[WatTyler]

I think glass on glass is largely theoretical- I can't truly say that I'm capable of noticing the difference in vapor taste between a glass and a quality non glass vape. That said, some components that aren't glass can stink- there are enough examples of that on these boards- whereas glass seldom stinks or imparts foreign tastes, so it's a 'safer' choice from a less informed or less trusting consumers perspective.

I understand that the water can strip some flavour away from the vapor. The aromatic terpenoids that impart the flavour to the vapor are more water soluble, so the more water the vapor goes through the more flavour is absorbed and lost from the vapor. Have you seen the MFLB water pipe adaptor? With this you could still run the launch box through your bong to compare.

Also because the LB doesn't use convective heating and doesn't heat the whole load at once you are pulling fresh air over fresh, unheated bud (as well as some very gently heated by infra red radiation). To me that's where the initial noticeable taste of the LB comes from- it's a fresh/raw/warm bud flavour, rather than cooked bud/vapor flavour, and it's less masked by dense, hot vapor. I don't share your experience of having this last for a long time though- after the first good shake of the trench this extra flavour is lost IME, and the more manky taste of the accumulated sub-trench oil takes over.

 

[ladysmoke420]

Very informative thanks! Do you have an EQ yourself and if so can you offer any advice? Or is this pretty much same problem for everybody? I'm thinking of getting a new whip, shortening length to >1ft and then iso cleaning my elbow.

It might be because I have some pretty well cured stuff, the reason why I made this thread was because I first vaped it on the EQ and I was like oh must be one of those great looking but tasteless strains, then I took it on my MFLB later randomly and I was like WOW what have I been missing! And I've had a few tasty strains too... I really love the taste of weed, I even brush my teeth and drink water sometimes to obtain the perfect sterilized conessiour environment haha. I get it on a few trenches shakes then its gone...

 

[djonkoman]

have you tried lower temp too?
I don't have those 2 vapes, but my experience is that the first hits on low temp are really tastefull and delicious, a lot more as on higher/regular temp
after those first hits you can bump up the temp to get more vapor

 

[WatTyler]

Very informative thanks! Do you have an EQ yourself and if so can you offer any advice? Or is this pretty much same problem for everybody? I'm thinking of getting a new whip, shortening length to >1ft and then iso cleaning my elbow.

I don't have an EQ, but I think it's pretty similar situation for most vapes. djonko's advice is excellent, imo, of starting with the low temps if you want the most flavourful experience with any vape. Keeping the whip and elbow clean is also good, as you say, and a shorter whip might help. Although I have to say that for my preferences I don't bother with the latter, though many do prefer shorter. I find that about 80-90% of the condensation happens in the first 6" of the whip anyway, with the deposit decreasing rapidly thereafter, and so the mobility advantages of that extra 18" are worth it to me.

I do wonder though that the terps & flavs might be the first thing to condense, just because for some reason in my mind they seem more 'delicate' (nuanced flavours lol), but I don't believe that's true. The reason I say this is that it seems with my BHO reclaim that the really flavourful terps are largely absent- it just tastes oily. Same with wand hash. They're also volatile, as experienced in BHO purging where they can be one of the first beneficial things to evaporate off to the detriment of the oils taste. Stand to reason that those'd also be the last to condense, I think, lol.

Water is more of a threat to the taste than whip length IMO.

 

[zymos]

Fwiw, I just looked it up, and limonene has a higher boiling point than THC - 349F vs 315 F.
It does seem like they should be more volatile, but I guess that's why we have actual science....

 

[WatTyler]

Limonene is just one of them though. I think that there are over 100 found in buds. Certainly it is possible to heat off some of the key ones contributing to the smell/flavour during the purge of BHO, without losing the THC- it can really stink up the house, to the detriment of the oil flavour. And this is at relatively low temps (<80-90°C ). I also wonder that the ones that contribute most to the more distinctive 'bouquet' when we smell raw bud are the more volatile ones- after all they're being fairly freely released into the air and up our nose, perhaps stinking up the whole house, even at room temperature? I've also read (and experienced) that flavour can also be lost through excessive drying and prolonged storage- which would both still be well below the boiling point of limonene. I guess O2 will have also have something of a strong role there.

 

[djonkoman]

a factor in that I think is also that you already smell terpenes at very low dosages, so even if it's still below the boilingtemp of the terpene and only very little evaporates, and only a few molecu;es reach your nose you can already smell it. (well, except if you have my nose, I've never been able to tell the difference between cannabissmoke and other smoke that isn't tobacco, and before vaping I never tasted weed, only after vaping I was able to distinguish the weedtaste from the ash/smoketaste with combustion, but I do get the idea my sense of smell is better now as it was a few years ago, suddenly I start discovering that al kinds of things I never expected to have a smell turn out to have a smell, chocolate for example, that one I discovered a few weeks ago or so when I was eating some chocolate)