Are You Afraid To Disagree With A Well-Established Member?

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EveryDayAmnesiac

Well-Known Member
You shouldn't be.

Well-established members are the most worthy to be knocked off his/her throne, and to be told that his/her truths need to be updated.

Yes, the "elders" have a lot of important things to say, but IME, it's the combination of young/old thoughts that lead to breakthroughs. Not just listening to whatever your elder is convinced is the truth.

Just because you're younger, doesn't mean you don't have plenty to bring to the table.

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lwien

lwien

Well-Known Member
Breathemetal said:
By throne do you mean walker? ;p
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No, I mean this:

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Mr. Gweilo 420

Mr. Gweilo 420

Dude
I find it very amusing when a new member gets into an argument with someone like Vitolo. If they only knew the truth Im sure they would think better off it. But I think anyone can disagree with anyone here just so long as it is done appropriately. Unless of course we are talking about forum matters but that would be dealt with differently. The thing is knowledge and experience earn some members seniority in a sense and rightly so imo.
 
Radio

Radio

stay true to yourselves
Mr. Gweilo 420 said:
I find it very amusing when a new member gets into an argument with someone like Vitolo. If they only knew the truth Im sure they would think better off it. But I think anyone can disagree with anyone here just so long as it is done appropriately. Unless of course we are talking about forum matters but that would be dealt with differently. The thing is knowledge and experience earn some members seniority in a sense and rightly so imo.
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I agree, and let us newbies dwell in filth and inexperience :lol:

Senior members are the top post equivelant of this forum and the rest are the garbage that ensues.

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Snappo

Snappo

Caveat Emptor - "A Billion People Can Be Wrong!"
Accessory Maker
Respect and deference to experienced senior members is something to be earned, of course, and not an entitlement of birth. All-too-often on these forums young guns move in with an "I have arrived" and "everyone is entitle to my opinion" attitude. Most young and new members would do very well to listen big, talk small, and take note of who's who with knowledge, experience, and wisdom. This doesn't mean that senior members can't be mistaken or don't exhibit intractable behaviors while mistaken. But on balance, senior members should be given their due, at least until proven otherwise.:2c::2c:
 
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Crohnie

Crohnie

Crohn's Warrior
Well, since the question was raised, and since I assume honest feedback was the idea...

There have been several occasions when I disagreed with more senior members of the forum where it seemed to me, IMO, that some members are more equal than others. One senior member even told me that he "didn't have to follow the same rules as everyone else." :hmm: While I'm not "afraid", I simply don't bother with some rather senior members since my feedback was always "we'll see what can be done about that and get back to you." After the third or fourth time of no one "getting back to me" much less anything being done, I simply don't bother anymore. Sorry if anyone is offended, but you did ask.
 
lwien

lwien

Well-Known Member
Crohnie said:
One senior member even told me that he "didn't have to follow the same rules as everyone else."
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Fuck that guy whoever said that. For the record, I'm one of the most senior members here and I've been banned once or twice for getting a bit out of hand. I've also had my hands slapped publicly as well. We ALL have to follow the same rules here.

Now do long standing, contributing veterans here get cut a little slack? Yeah, of course they do. It comes with the reputation and good-will that has been earned over a period time and this exists in EVERY group dynamic be it social or in business that I have ever witnessed.

But to say that we all don't have to follow the same rules is just not accurate.
 
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max

max

Out to lunch
Crohnie said:
One senior member even told me that he "didn't have to follow the same rules as everyone else."
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Everybody has to follow the same rules, including staff. When this member you speak of breaks a rule and gets reported, he'll certainly find out the rules apply to everyone.

There are lots of topics here, even when we're just talking vapor and vaporizers. A brand new member can have a lot more expertise in a particular area than someone who's been on the forum for years. It's human nature to be suspicious of strangers though, and expect them to ease their way in. But once you merge with the forum traffic and fit in the particular forum you're on, your posts should be judged on merit and not by registration date or post count.
 
DDave

DDave

Vape Wizard
Accessory Maker
When I first posted here on FC, I was trying to contribute to a thread in which I had a very successful mod of a vaporizer I had been using at the time. I saw the same need being mentioned by others, so I shared.

The item needed for the mod was very inexpensive, somewhere between $3 - $20 depending on the source, so many jumped on the bandwagon to try it out. At the same time a senior member took opposition to my mod, stating I was risking my vaporizer and everyone else's by my suggestions.

Instead of fighting over it, as I was the newbie, I went with it and simply discussed my results and data... I also reached out to the manufacturer and had a detailed discussion into the mod. The manufacturer blessed the mod, stating it did not put their device at risk and once I came back to the forum and reported results another senior member blessed the mod and gave it the title "The DDave Mod". This mod lives to this day and the first senior member & myself have become friends.

It's all in the approach and how you handle opposition.... Do you think of it as a roadblock or an opportunity? I saw it as an opportunity to gain even more support over my mod.


Now, if you knock me off my throne... I see this as yet another opportunity... An opportunity to start ripping pieces off the throne and using them! hahahaha :nod:
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Kidding and Peace all! :peace:
 
smokum

smokum

I am who I am and your approval isn't needed!
The inter-web doesn't bother me at all... I'm just here for the ride in a quasi non life ;) !

I share what I know/believe, and learn when I'm offered something worthwhile (regardless of sign-up date or status). The big red 'X' in the corner of my screen is used quite often just about anywhere here or other forums. Now, if some of the behaviors or attitudes I've experienced were to happen in real life I'd have an in your face issue... but this is the internet, so pfffft... next
 
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EveryDayAmnesiac

Well-Known Member
Snappo said:
Respect and deference to experienced senior members is something to be earned, of course, and not an entitlement of birth. All-too-often on these forums young guns move in with an "I have arrived" and "everyone is entitle to my opinion" attitude. Most young and new members would do very well to listen big, talk small, and take note of who's who with knowledge, experience, and wisdom. This doesn't mean that senior members can't be mistaken or don't exhibit intractable behaviors while mistaken. But on balance, senior members should be given their due, at least until proven otherwise.:2c::2c:
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I really like this post.

And of course, anything by @lwien... :D
 
His_Highness

His_Highness

In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king
Sorry...I came late to the party on this one......

I'm a noob around here so EveryDayAmnesiac, you posed a question that is very current for me....

In another thread I mentioned I have been using MJ for 40 years and just got introduced to vaping within 6 months. Thanks to this site and the information graciously provided by what I perceive to be the well-established, I have learned a bunch and expect that will continue. This knife cuts both ways....After 40 years of diligent study :brow: I might have considered myself well-established on the topic. Point is ... I would have been wrong to think I knew it all even after 40 years and so could others who are well established.

Afraid to disagree ... no, respectfully disagree if warranted ... yes. But...I also adhere to the 'Road House Rule' ... Be nice until it's time to not be nice.:goon:
 
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pakalolo

pakalolo

Toolbag v1.1 (candidate)
Staff member
His_Highness said:
I would have been wrong to think I knew it all even after 40 years and so could others who are well established.
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Once you believe that you know it all, you ascend to majesticus assholius and you are obligated to dispense condescension at every opportunity.

His_Highness said:
Afraid to disagree ... no, respectfully disagree if warranted ... yes. But...I also adhere to the 'Road House Rule' ... Be nice until it's time to not be nice.:goon:
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Our basic rule is "Be nice." If you are not nice, you will get a warning point even if you are provoked. Anyone here is free to disagree with anyone else as long as it's done with respect. If someone isn't nice and is breaking the rules, use the Report function and do not respond in kind. If the rules aren't broken, either ignore it or use a PM.
 
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