Are U.S Airports Secure Enough?

[CarolKing]

i haven't traveled by plane in a long time. I haven't been in an airport in a long time either. My thoughts would be to have some security folks that were higher up so looking down at the groups of people coming in and out of the airports. I know they have cameras everywhere.

They don't seem to do a thorough check with some of the folks that work in some areas of the airport.

Maybe some of you have some suggestions. I know many of you have traveled recently. Do you feel secure at America's airports?

I'm glad we haven't had anything like we've seen in Turkey. The Orlando killings is a scary thing. I think many of us wonder if we are safe?

We live in a free society. With that there are some risks. I don't want any freedoms taken away. We still want our vaporizer taken with us on planes. Also a little shatter in the lipstick small round container.

 

[hd_rider]

I don't think you can be secure anywhere.

These murderers (a.k.a., terrorists) have figured out that its too difficult to get past security with their weapons, bomb vests, etc. So now they are concentrating on "soft" targets, any place there are groups of people in a common area, regardless of the presence of security, military, police, etc. They can carry out their carnage virtually any where they want to.

 

[yogoshio]

Are you kidding me? Multiple bombers have made it past security.

Remember the underpants bomber? The only reason he didn't blow that whole plain is his wiring got screwed up.


Or there's this fun report showing how the TSA screenings missed explosives and weapons in 67 out of 70 attempts.
http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/01/politics/tsa-failed-undercover-airport-screening-tests/

I don't mean to sound melodramatic, but there's no such thing as actually safe when travelling. I'll still fly, but the only thing the TSA have done to airport security is slow it down.

 

[CarolKing]

We live in dangerous times. I wouldn't even mind some reserve military officers that have been trained well as back up security. There are so many folks working at airports like in the restaurants and stores. They are like malls some of them. Are these people checked at all?

 

[Stevenski]

Most countries airport security is a hoax simply due to budget constraints. Impressive looking & a pain in the arse but not if you are a player & know the rules of the game. A country like Israel has correct & proper airport security & it is what you don't see happening that protects you.

Body language is a dead giveaway that something is not right. Like poker there are numerous signs or tells people give away when going about their business. Get a few red flags & the person is separated & questioned further or detained.

If you are feeling concerned @CarolKing just do some rough odds calculations on the number of

• Terrorist attacks in the USA in the last 5 years amortized over a single year.
• Number of passengers processed through each airport you are travelling through annually.
• Number of flights annually per year through each airport

All of a sudden the likelihood of being involved in a terror attack is exceptionally low & too low to bother calculating. Remember 99.99% of people are not breaking any laws & just want a pleasant trip to their destination. The other 0.01% are smuggling drugs .


The phrase "there is nothing to fear but fear itself?" is highly applicable here so enjoy your flight.

 

[jim-bob]

Maybe i'm alone, but i find armed cops/military patrolling the airports in force a whole lot more frightening than the vague idea of 'terror'.

 

[yogoshio]

Are these people checked at all

I can only speak for Midway and O'Hare in Chicago, but this was discussed way back when we originally brought in the TSA and whatnot. They implemented a secondary background check, same for airport staff, as well as whatever company they work for does the standard background check.

However, technically the Orlando shooter as well as the Boston Marathon guy would have passed those checks, so....

 

[crawdad]

iDo you feel secure at America's airports?

i dont feel less secure in airports versus anywhere else just rushed, ignored, profiled, inconvenienced, belittled, and robbed. the only thing ive noticed progressed in air travel is the availability of websites that offer cheap deals, kind of feel like the airline industry is about as innovative as toilet paper.

 

[farscaper]

The only reason we live in a scary time is because you have been convinced that your security is threatened. The illusion of insecurity creates a void with which your freedom to move about the world at will is being taken away. Until nothing but boxes of pre-sorted crayons of only acceptable quality are allowed... no broken or unusual colors of crayons need apply... don't even think about crayons with generic wrappers!!! Crayola only!

Before you know it people will be screaming that you must receive a psychological evaluation before even entering a departure point... just like with guns...

Ask to have all of your rights removed and be sure you will be obliged.

You create your own safety.... not some magical agency....

And if your really really still scared of terrorism. ... look to the past and find your counrty is fucking founded on terrorism....

http://www.americanindiansource.com/columbus.html

 

[gangababa]

US airports have gone done hill since Reagan, having lost the favor of the Lord when the Hare Krishna devotees were kicked out

Anyone wanting security in their world needs to start at the only place over which one has control.
One Own Self

All attempts to blame and control, reject and eject, beat up and corral some "others" fail to create security Confused self-identity demands an otherness to blame, so all fixes are soon replaced by another new fear
Islam is the new communism
LGBT is the new Irish

According to some like the NRA, problems are due not to guns, or religion, politics, sex, etc because these are only tools
Terrorism however is treated differently than the gun and not seen as a tool but as an overwhelming existential fear

The problem that real is rooted rather in f*ck%d-#p and false self-identities , wrapped in ignorance rooted in societal sickness, lack of education, illogical thinking, hypocritical morality, etc

Only "I" can fix things
The "I" who needs a gun or a bomb or a hated other to feel whole and complete is a scared, angry inner-child

Those who say burn it down, better will blossom are brutishly failing at understanding the Bhagavad Gita
One can act but the ultimate results of those actions are out of ones' control

Iraq was Hubris
An angry action of protest like not voting or voting for Trump is hubris
(unless you actually are an angry non-adult)
Blaming one person for the results of vast movements of many peoples' purposes is hubris
Believing one person can fix it all because he says is so hubris

Look deeply into Iraq, Syria, Libya, Oaxaca, and Venezuela as examples of the dangers of back-fires and failures of allowing disturbances to empty grocers' shelves
Does anyone think Iraq is better now than in 2003? Sure, then there were items not to be had due to the embargo, but bomb fear was not a part of daily marketing

Bush did not understand the Bhagavd Gita and thus out of control results from his PNAC initiated actions burned down the barn

Incitement of the basest human emotions with "Kick the Muslims-Mexicans-Africans-Yankees out" actions is not creative thinking
It is incitement to violence arising in the confused understandings of self and (also within) systems plus sambandha (connections-ecology-sociology-psychology)

Google is your friend but learn to doubt the messengers when their messages consistently do not add up to TRUTH

 

[Joel W.]

Last time I flew a few years ago, we did the pre screening check in deal and we just walked past huge lines of people, that did not.

After making airplane parts for a few years like seat tracks, I will try and drive, if I can help it.

Aluminum is barely one step above wood in yield strength, FYI. Lol

 

[vapirtoo]

Have you checked out the salaries of the TSA agents screening our bags?

 

[gangababa]

In April, I took a sleeper Amtrak to Chicago at much higher cost just to avoid TSA
It was a nice ride

Curiously, in the world in which I live, TSA folk as well as those of the Post Office and department of motor vehicles, are all manifestly pleasant to engage
And in my town's small airport, passing security is quick even if held up a bit for 'random' extra theater

Considering my 'costume', Jacksonville, San Francisco, Allentown, Philadelphia, Seattle, Lisbon have all been no problem

Though, three years ago after easily passing security in Lisbon, I made my way to the gate area where I sat with others waiting

Security came, cleared the waiting area and reran us through security screening there in the concourse
Maybe dhoti does influence people

 

[yogoshio]

Don't worry, the TSA has plans to add checkpoints for major train station, as well as is interested in being involved in major sporting events.

 

[CarolKing]

My brother took a trip on an Amtrak and that train had more problems. The train hit a person at one point. Then a different accident hit somebody's car. Also somebody had a heart attack. Probably from the horrible train ride. It took him forever to get to his destinatiin. Bro said he would never do it again.

 

[gangababa]

My brother took a trip on an Amtrac and that train had more problems. ... It took him forever to get to his destinatiin. ....

Meanwhile in my world the trains arrived early everywhere and the smokers had more platform time than expected and some unexpected
Spice-of-my-life, Sharon, and I were well treated in First-class lounges in Chicago and the Rose city
Booking an Amtrak sleeper is like being in a moving bed & breakfast

The reason we learned was the time built into the schedule for the oil trains that were nonexistent due to the oil price drop that was depopulating the man-camps

At the stop closest to the Montana-Canadian border the border patrol was on drug duty with dogs st the station

Airport security, mass gatherings security, collapsing old bridges security, economic, health, environmental (air, water, shelter), crazy stalker-ex-fan-creep security, doctor praying-in-church not being murdered security...

The search for security may be endless, for fear favors fruitless fanaticism, fertilizing the farms of the McCoys and Hatfields

 

[gaseous_clay]

In April, I took a sleeper Amtrak to Chicago at much higher cost just to avoid TSA
It was a nice ride

Curiously, in the world in which I live, TSA folk as well as those of the Post Office and department of motor vehicles, are all manifestly pleasant to engage
And in my town's small airport, passing security is quick even if held up a bit for 'random' extra theater

Considering my 'costume', Jacksonville, San Francisco, Allentown, Philadelphia, Seattle, Lisbon have all been no problem

Though, three years ago after easily passing security in Lisbon, I made my way to the gate area where I sat with others waiting

Security came, cleared the waiting area and reran us through security screening there in the concourse
Maybe dhoti does influence people

Amtrak sleepers are great! I have an Amtrak Rewards card, so for every $15,000 I charge I get a free roomette. They are perfect to vape in too! If you are traveling with someone you can just pay a coach fare for them & they can stay with you as well. We need real trains in the USA like the rest of the world is capable of installing, but while we're busy bragging about how we're the best in the world (and not doing a damn thing to actually back it up) I guess sleeping overnight in the first class cabin will have to do.

As for the actual question here... US airports are some of the safest places in the USA! Think about it... Once you have passed through airport security the odds of you being killed by some maniac are much less than simply walking down the street, where anybody has every legal right to buy enough weaponry to take out a police station, school, workplace, store, etc. Hell, every now & then you hear about someone killed when their neighbor "drops" their gun & it goes off, sending a bullet through a wall. Not happening at the airport because the TSA infringes on your right to keep and bear arms. Funny how some locations nobody seems to have any problems with doing the sane thing of keeping out things that are designed to kill people.

Yes, I may piss a few people off for my opinion on guns, but I knew people who are no longer here thanks to other people being able to get their hands on them so easily. Want to hear an idea? If the 2nd Amendment is unable to change with the times, then the weapons legally available shouldn't either. Go have fun with your musket.

But whatever. I still don't like flying for the simple concept of it.

 

[Silat]

Hell no. Drumpf got back in and so did Cruz.

 

[syrupy]

Call me crazy but I think security is too high at US airports. It turns into a big mess with TSA, and I'm not convinced all the efforts aren't mostly for show. I feel much less safe on the road or at a taco bell.

 

[Derrrpp]

I'm actually in an airport sitting at the gate waiting for my flight right now. Feels plenty secure to me. I certainly wouldn't want extra security; the lines are bad enough as it is.

I was a little worried about getting stopped and questioned about my VapCap in my carry-on luggage, but we made it through without a hitch. Just make sure if you're traveling with a vape that you're smart about it. Make sure it's clean -- you don't want it to be smelling like herb lol. I didn't bring my Solo with me because it would've looked too suspicious on the x-ray scanner, I think.

 

[CarolKing]

I agree the Solo would look like that it might explode. I thought that too. Nix on the the Solo at the Airport or boarding a plane.

 

[crawdad]