Are edibles the healthiest way?
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How about a tincture? That would bypass even a liver.
Also I think metabolizing cannabinoids wouldn't make as much stress on a liver as for example alcohol. Alcohol is way more toxic and also dosed in grams, while cannabinoids are active in miligrams, much less to process in the liver.
Also I think metabolizing cannabinoids wouldn't make as much stress on a liver as for example alcohol. Alcohol is way more toxic and also dosed in grams, while cannabinoids are active in miligrams, much less to process in the liver.
strictly vapor
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I wonder the same thing myself, whether specific cannabinoids or certain combinations of them could present problems in our livers or gastrointestinal tracts.
I do believe every action has a reaction, and the most basic foods and drinks can cause changes to bacteria cultures in our mouths and stomachs. For all I know cannabis may be of serious benefit to ones system when ingested orally, but it could also have the potential for some harm.
My biggest worry isn't cannabis itself, but the nutrients with which the plants are fed, the pesticides which are often used and the potential for molds, mildews and other bacterias to formulate on the dried buds.
Even though there are lots of great sources for quality edible products right now, I do believe our current knowledge on this subject is limited to the lack of scientific research and our edible products are limited to current industry standards, which I believe will evolve 1000 fold over the next 20 years.
I do believe every action has a reaction, and the most basic foods and drinks can cause changes to bacteria cultures in our mouths and stomachs. For all I know cannabis may be of serious benefit to ones system when ingested orally, but it could also have the potential for some harm.
My biggest worry isn't cannabis itself, but the nutrients with which the plants are fed, the pesticides which are often used and the potential for molds, mildews and other bacterias to formulate on the dried buds.
Even though there are lots of great sources for quality edible products right now, I do believe our current knowledge on this subject is limited to the lack of scientific research and our edible products are limited to current industry standards, which I believe will evolve 1000 fold over the next 20 years.
DOOM
Well-Known Member
I highly doubt that a daily consumer of edibles will develop fatty liver and I can't see the possibility for hepatitis or cirrhosis
the liver can recover quickly. so try ediables for a few months and if you're worried have a liver panel done AST, ALT to see if you have elevaled levels, even without sytmroms. then im sure u could stop and liver recover within 6 months if did any inflammation
but then again, there's lots of guys who have to work with cartel stuff and who knows what type of toxins their stuff contains
the liver can recover quickly. so try ediables for a few months and if you're worried have a liver panel done AST, ALT to see if you have elevaled levels, even without sytmroms. then im sure u could stop and liver recover within 6 months if did any inflammation
but then again, there's lots of guys who have to work with cartel stuff and who knows what type of toxins their stuff contains
biohacker
H.R.E.A.M
I switched to edibles exclusively for this reason for a small amount of time, and I wouldn't do it again. It's too strong, and even with proper dosing, the effects can linger for what seems like an eternity. If you use them daily, you are basically never sober - although that may be the goal for some.
I just never felt healthy using edibles...and don't want to get into too my detail, but the withdrawals weren't fun either...edibles can skyrocket your tolerance to higher than even concentrates IME. I also feel that they do take a toll on the body, and from research have read that it depletes alot of vitamins and minerals. I know that magnesium is used up alot when injesting or consuming cannabis.
I feel that low temp vaping with unground buds in moderation is the healthiest way to consume, especially if you are active and mindful of healthy living. Tinctures are another way to go, as long as it's not in alcohol.
I have seen suppositories as well, but probably shouldn't go there...lol
I just never felt healthy using edibles...and don't want to get into too my detail, but the withdrawals weren't fun either...edibles can skyrocket your tolerance to higher than even concentrates IME. I also feel that they do take a toll on the body, and from research have read that it depletes alot of vitamins and minerals. I know that magnesium is used up alot when injesting or consuming cannabis.
I feel that low temp vaping with unground buds in moderation is the healthiest way to consume, especially if you are active and mindful of healthy living. Tinctures are another way to go, as long as it's not in alcohol.
I have seen suppositories as well, but probably shouldn't go there...lol
CloudyDayz
Active Member
I did the same thing and had the same result - would not try to do edibles only again. For one, it doesn't *feel* all that healthy. I was pretty out of it a lot of the time, lol . .not to mention the tummy troubles. It's also way too difficult to try and time/keep track of your non-pot eating so that you are eating your pot on a not-too-empty, not-too-full stomach. Fullness of stomach really impacted me - too empty and I'd feel sick, too full and I wouldn't get the full effect.
After that I switched to alcohol based tincture. That is better than edibles . .feel better, easier to control, less tummy troubles, etc . .but it's still got problems. It's still that heavy, body, "out of it" buzz. It's still impacted, although less, by fullness of stomach. It tastes terrible. I did it for 4 months, though . .so it's very do-able. If it wasn't for vaping, I'd be using tincture vs smoking.
I think the best solution would be some kind of laboratory produced tincture . .something with a very small amount of "carrier". In a lab, they could probably make it strong enough so just a drop or 2 would do the trick.
I know it doesn't "jive" with current mainstream thinking about what is medicine and how do we take medicine, etc .. but vaping is, imo, THE best way. But what do I know, lol . .I'm strictly recreational. Any medicinal benefits I've received from cannabis have been purely incidental.
biohacker
H.R.E.A.M
Yeah, I forgot.... edibles were very hard on my stomach and GI. I think that's what made me throw in the towel in the end. Same with concentrate dabs, they mess up my stomach badly. Must be too high of a concentration of cannabinoids too fast or something.
Low temp micro dosing is where it's at!
Low temp micro dosing is where it's at!
strictly vapor
Well-Known Member
I also find edibles can be very hard on the digestive system. I've had canker sore type spots in my mouth, the sensation of battery acid eroding my stomach, slight to extreme nausea, and also had experiences with none of these unpleasant aspects.
It has always been homemade edibles causing this, and recently switching to dispensery products has largely eliminated all of these things. I strongly believe many of the negatives come from tainted bud, whether it's pesticides (the worst), fungus, mold, mildew, other bacteria or things we don't even know about.
That being said I find no matter what source of cannabis is ingested I agree with @biohacker that it depletes vitamins and minerals, as I frequently feel physically weak when edibles are in my routine. This has been happening for years and is the same feeling as not eating for hours, and I've done enough trial and error to know it's the edibles causing this.
I think a homemade batch can be great, so long as the Cannabis used is clean. I will be testing this theory over the weekend for the first time.
I agree that low temp vaping is the best delivery method, no question, but at this point really couldn't see myself without edibles any more than I could see myself without a vaporizer. I find that when ingesting clean edible products (clean based on current industry standards, which are going to come a long way with legalization) I get enough positives to justify the negatives, but it takes a LOT of effort with diet, sleep and exercise to keep up with them.
Looking forward to lab tested pharmaceutical grade cannabis extracts designed for effective absorbtion in oral ingestion. Is that so much to ask?
It has always been homemade edibles causing this, and recently switching to dispensery products has largely eliminated all of these things. I strongly believe many of the negatives come from tainted bud, whether it's pesticides (the worst), fungus, mold, mildew, other bacteria or things we don't even know about.
That being said I find no matter what source of cannabis is ingested I agree with @biohacker that it depletes vitamins and minerals, as I frequently feel physically weak when edibles are in my routine. This has been happening for years and is the same feeling as not eating for hours, and I've done enough trial and error to know it's the edibles causing this.
I think a homemade batch can be great, so long as the Cannabis used is clean. I will be testing this theory over the weekend for the first time.
I agree that low temp vaping is the best delivery method, no question, but at this point really couldn't see myself without edibles any more than I could see myself without a vaporizer. I find that when ingesting clean edible products (clean based on current industry standards, which are going to come a long way with legalization) I get enough positives to justify the negatives, but it takes a LOT of effort with diet, sleep and exercise to keep up with them.
Looking forward to lab tested pharmaceutical grade cannabis extracts designed for effective absorbtion in oral ingestion. Is that so much to ask?
Tincture is a fine idea.
CalyxSmokr
Well-Known Member
It is not scientific but edibles have an extreme body load for me. I just feel like my system is saturated with thc and my liver is working overtime. My guess is vaping is healthier
TeeJay1952
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I vape from dawn till Dusk. If I eat cookies I have to clear my schedule as not to be bothered by reality. If I save duff for cookies I never have to worry about level of extraction, only my satisfaction as it all goes to someone else to sort out.
I have had many phone calls from ER from fools exceeding their capabilities. I stopped allowing to-go during 80's because of them.
I hold the current title for most shatter wasted, smeared, lost in carpet and just wiped off fingers in disgust.
I want to try tincture but Daughter (partner in crime) is Alcoholic and we don't want to start anything we can't stop.
So in summation: Flowers, FLOWERS, Flowers!
I have had many phone calls from ER from fools exceeding their capabilities. I stopped allowing to-go during 80's because of them.
I hold the current title for most shatter wasted, smeared, lost in carpet and just wiped off fingers in disgust.
I want to try tincture but Daughter (partner in crime) is Alcoholic and we don't want to start anything we can't stop.
So in summation: Flowers, FLOWERS, Flowers!
C No Ego
Well-Known Member
Eating decarbed cannabis converts thc to delta 11 hydroxy.. tinctures act as vaporized cannabis or smoked because tincture is oxygenated cannabinoids that act on your ECS within minutes, just like vapor does.. oxygenating the molecules change effects when ingesting them and when you eat it the liver converts the compounds and takes time to get back to you, hence the delayed effects... eating also will provide longer relief compared to vaping..
however you determine health depends on you but eating or vaping and tincture would be the healthiest way... now vaping all day non stop could cause issues to respiratory health
however you determine health depends on you but eating or vaping and tincture would be the healthiest way... now vaping all day non stop could cause issues to respiratory health