Anyone try ABV Butter using a Mota Pot?

[CarolKing]

Received my Mota Pot. Nice and small but you can only infuse 1/8 cup of product that's ground fine per stick of butter. That would be your batch. I tried 1 tablespoon in hot cocoa. Not potent enough for me. You maybe different, we go cautious with edibles. I will try 2 tablespoons the next time.

It's very easy to use, just don't overfill. I used ABV that had a lot of life left in it. Took about 10 min. When the steam comes out the top, you know it's done. It's a very nice color and taste. There is 8 tablespoons per stick of butter.

 

[Breathemetal]

Mmmmmmm

 

[lazylightning]

Received my Mota Pot. Nice and small but you can only infuse 1/8 cup of product that's ground fine per stick of butter. That would be your batch. I tried 1 tablespoon in hot cocoa. Not potent enough for me.

Thanks for the review and pics. Did you happen to weigh your material? I'm wondering how much material by weight would fit in ⅛ cup measure. Obviously it would be different for bone-dry ABV compared to a stash kept at 62% humidity with Boveda packs. Just trying to get an idea.

 

[beach bum]

@CarolKing, many thanks for the info. I note the 1 tablespoon dose wasn't the potency you were looking for. Can you comment on how the potency of the Mota Pot butter compares to other methods (old fashioned simmer for hours, MB2, etc)?

 

[CarolKing]

I haven't had consistent results with edibles. I'm either too medicated or not enough. I want something that gently puts me to sleep. I will try 2 tablespoons. The butter looks as good as the butter from the Magical Butter Maker. I wish I could use more than 1/8 of ground product per batch. There's no more room in the container.

Some folks are real sensitive to edibles and it doesn't take much, others need more to feel medicated. It's easy to add butter to things, but it's high in calories.

 

[beach bum]

I haven't had consistent results with edibles. I'm either too medicated or not enough. I want something that gently puts me to sleep. I will try 2 tablespoons. The butter looks as good as the butter from the Magical Butter Maker. I wish I could use more than 1/8 of ground product per batch. There's no more room in the container.

Not having this item yet, I wasn't sure so am asking. Could you take the infused butter and stick it back in the machine (with another 1/8 ground ABV) and infuse again for more potency? I really like the idea of this item given the small quantities.

 

[CarolKing]

It would be worth a try to go through the process again. I tablespoon doses would be perfect. I think it's worth the $45 if it is potent enough. I didn't try coconut oil. I would assume you would be able to use that too.

I didn't add any soy lecithin to the recipe. It didn't ask for that in the directions.

 

[Solomon]

Did you grind up the ABV to a fine powder? That's what I did and I think I had more than 7 grams in the pot - probably more like 8-9 (I had weighed it a week or so earlier at 7.5 g). After I crushed it up fine the volume became very small and easily fit.

I don't think I mentioned it, but I used one of those permanent coffee filters to further strain the butter from the pot as I poured it into the bowl for chilling, but I didn't see a lot of left over grounds, so the fine ABV powder wasn't a problem, After the process, the grounds left in the pot was like a hockey puck

 

[beach bum]

Thanks for the information all!

 

[CarolKing]

My ABV was pretty fine but I put it through the coffee grinder and it came out like the consistency of flour. So it was an 1/8 of a cup very finely ground ABV. It was lightly toasted and golden in color.

 

[Solomon]

So I just finished off the last of the ABV chocolates I made with the espresso maker canna-butter and I have a much better feel for dosage.

Here is what I had:

8g of finely powdered ABV
1 stick (1/2 cup) butter
(2) 3.5oz chocolates

After the infusion, I guess I had roughly 1/3 cup of clarified-infused-ABV butter which I divided into 2 parts. Each half was blended with a 3.5oz bar of dark chocolate. Each bowl of chocolate was divided into 8 slices. So I ended up with 16 "doses", each with approx .5g of ABV

One piece was noticeable, slight buzz, mild analgesic (kinda like a few ibuprofen). Duration only felt like 2-3 hours.

Two pieces seemed about perfect for a mild buzz and moderate analgesic - about equivalent of a small vape bowl. About a 3-4 hour effect.

I had three pieces left this past Sunday, and I was in considerable pain, especially feet and legs. I would have normally vaped and/or taken a hydrocodone, but I figured what the hell, and ate the last 3 pieces .

In about 30 minutes I started to feel it coming on fairly strong, and in about 45 minutes, most of my leg pain was gone. At about an hour, had I not known better, I would compare the analgesic effect to a moderately strong narcotic. This effect lasted a good 4-5 hours, and at one point around 2 hours into it, I actually started feeling quite dizzy.

So next time I am thinking of taking the infused canna butter and blending it with a single chocolate bar. That would double the ABV dosage per piece, yielding 8 slices @ approx 1g of ABV each .

I am quite impressed with this method of infusion, and even more impressed with how much punch is left in ABV. This is just so quick and simple.

Of course everyone's mileage will vary.

 

[lazylightning]

Yesterday I found some time to try using my 6 cup Bialetti Venus moka pot to make some ABV coconut oil. I had planned to use top shelf flower, but the moka pot was larger than I remembered. When I realized it would take nearly an ounce of flower to fill the filter I opted for ABV this first run.

I ground my ABV very finely and packed it tightly into the filter cup, using my espresso tamper to get it fully compressed. I ended up getting 24 gm of ABV into the filter

I put 6 oz of boiling water into the moka pot bottom and added 6 oz of coconut oil.

I put the filter with tightly packed ABV into the bottom of the moka pot.

I set the moka pot on a burner turned to medium high and waited a few minutes. I could hear the boil start and then it took another minute or so for the water and oil to start flowing into the top of the pot.

A few minutes later and steam started escaping the valve. I took the moka pot off the burner and waited a few minutes until the last bit of oil had been forced up through the filter and it had stopped flowing.

I poured the contents of the moka pot into a large measuring cup to be sure I'd recovered all 6 oz of coconut oil I'd put in.

After running the moka pot under cold water for a bit, I opened it to see the puck of ABV.

After letting the oil separate from the water in the refrigerator overnight, I ended up with 6 oz of a potent amber oil that contains the equivalent of .66 gm of ABV per teaspoon.

I use 2 teaspoons of my Candy Jack coconut oil quite frequently to make a potent, pain-killing hot beverage. This is a 270 mg dose of THC which is more than many would tolerate.

After sampling this ABV oil just once, it feels nearly as strong as the Candy Jack oil in terms of body relaxation and pain relief!

I must admit I had a bit of doubt that this method would be effective at extracting THC. I'm used to cooking hours in a crock pot or Magical Butter machine and this took just 10 minutes. It seems to have extracted much of the remaining THC though.

I'm so intrigued by this method of extraction. It's just a matter of time before I send a puck of ABV through my Rok espresso machine that'll reach 9 bars of pressure!

 

[Gregori]

Great report lazylightning! Excellent.
I never drink coffee so I didn't knew the ROK Espresso Maker. Please let us know if and how it works with avb!

 

[Solomon]

After sampling this ABV oil just once, it feels nearly as strong as the Candy Jack oil in terms of body relaxation and pain relief!

I must admit I had a bit of doubt that this method would be effective at extracting THC. I'm used to cooking hours in a crock pot or Magical Butter machine and this took just 10 minutes. It seems to have extracted much of the remaining THC though.

Wow lasylightning, you are anything but lazy

What an excellent photo log of the extraction. It looks like you got the "bigger" Mota pot. My little 20-year old espresso maker holds at most 10g of ABV.

But the best news is that you think the extraction is equivalent to other traditional methods. That's what I've been thinking as well.

I think the only real limitation of this method is the smaller herb capacity - not much of a problem with ABV since you can practically powder it - but a bigger issue if you try to infusing with trimmings (which is what my friends traditionally use). The material-to-butter/oil ratio (volume, not weight) can't really be adjusted. But it might still be fine for bud....stronger the better

Oh man...I can't wait to hear about the ROK results if you do it!

 

[lazylightning]

Wow lasylightning, you are anything but lazy

What an excellent photo log of the extraction. It looks like you got the "bigger" Mota pot. My little 20-year old espresso maker holds at most 10g of ABV.

But the best news is that you think the extraction is equivalent to other traditional methods. That's what I've been thinking as well.

I think the only real limitation of this method is the smaller herb capacity - not much of a problem with ABV since you can practically powder it - but a bigger issue if you try to infusing with trimmings (which is what my friends traditionally use). The material-to-butter/oil ratio (volume, not weight) can't really be adjusted. But it might still be fine for bud....stronger the better

Oh man...I can't wait to hear about the ROK results if you do it!

Thanks Solomon...I actually work quite hard to create the optimal products for lazy enjoyment

I did try a puck of ABV in the Rok espresso machine yesterday. My girlfriend ground it up but did just a bit too thorough of a job. It was close to a powder and definitely finer than I grind my coffee beans for that machine. I gave it a try anyway, tamping the puck of ABV looser than I usually would. I was able to press a bit of the oil/water mixture through, but once the puck compacted I was unable to force anything more though.

This brings up another important point for anyone using a moka pot. I believe the size of your grind makes a big difference. For the very successful batch of ABV oil I documented above, I took my ABV and put it through a Santa Cruz Shredder just once. The grind seemed to be about perfect that way.

Once I have enough ABV saved up, I'll probably try the Rok machine again. I'll definitely report any successes here.

 

[Gregori]

I was wondering how you'd put butter through as it is solid. But with oil / water it should also work. Was the mixture boiling ? Will you try with butter anyday ?

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[lazylightning]

I used equal parts coconut oil and boiling water (2 oz each for the Rok...6 oz each for the moka pot).

I'm pretty sure my Rok attempt failed because the puck of ABV was ground too finely. It just packs together too tightly for anything to get through, even at 9 bars pressure. I'm pretty sure it would work well if ground like I did for the moka pot though.

I won't be using butter cause I'm vegan and because coconut oil has almost twice the saturated fat. That means more THC can bind to it during extraction

Nutrition breakdown (per 1 tablespoon)
•Coconut oil: 14 grams total fat, 12 grams saturated fat
•Unsalted butter: 12 grams total fat, 7 grams saturated fat

 

[Gregori]

Thank you for the information. I'm not a fan of coconut but I'll have to give it a try if it bind more THC. ^^

But what I'd really want to answer is :"Do bigger pressure extract better/more (than the bialetti)?"

 

[splitz]

Once the moka extraction has taken place, how spent is the puck of avb? Is it worth running the finished butter/oil through once again to harvest any additional actives, or will the second session of stove heating offset any possible gains?

 

[Solomon]

Once the moka extraction has taken place, how spent is the puck of avb? Is it worth running the finished butter/oil through once again to harvest any additional actives, or will the second session of stove heating offset any possible gains?

I wouldn't do it. I think you risk over-heating the already infused oil/butter and possibly destroying cannaboids.

Perhaps the best way to test this would be running fresh oi/butter thru the "puck" and see if there is any noticeable additional extraction (color, smell), and if so, then test it for potency.

 

[lazylightning]

Once the moka extraction has taken place, how spent is the puck of avb? Is it worth running the finished butter/oil through once again to harvest any additional actives, or will the second session of stove heating offset any possible gains?

I don't know that a second heating session would do any harm to the already extracted oil. We're talking boiling temps for a maximum of 10 minutes and decarb and THC->CBN conversion happens very slowly at that temp.

I also don't think it would be that worth sending already extracted oil through the puck of AVB again. It's already pretty potent and about the strength I'd expect based on the ABV/oil ratio.

I also have a Magical Butter machine and could see making smaller oil batches in the moka pot and then putting about 4 oz of already extracted material through the MB machine with 2 cups of coconut oil. Might be able to extract a bit more that way with fresh oil.

 

[beware116]

This seems like a nice, no mess way of making some abv oil/butter. How do you ensure you get all the oil off the sides of the chamber? Would a rubber spatula suffice? I've been looking for a quick way to make smaller amounts of abv butter.

 

[lazylightning]

This seems like a nice, no mess way of making some abv oil/butter. How do you ensure you get all the oil off the sides of the chamber? Would a rubber spatula suffice? I've been looking for a quick way to make smaller amounts of abv butter.

Using equal parts water and oil, the mixture poured right out of the moka pot with the oil on top. I didn't notice much if any oil residue on the inside of the pot.

 

[Gregori]

As the butter is boiling, it is not so sticky. It's liquid.
By the way always wash it the italian way: WATER ONLY!

 

[Gregori]

I've already tried to infuse new butter with the same abv puck. No big difference so it's not worth it from my point of view.
And let's face it: it's been vaped and infused once. I know weed is expensive but that's a bit too much. Isn't it?