Anyone else been getting lots of butane in their waxes??

[ak47bluntz]

so lately for maybe the last 5 out of the 6 times ive gone to the clinic and gotten wax. I for some reason always keep getting waxes that seem to have butane left in it. i constantly go on club runs and idk if its my luck or just my decisions in wax choices. I mostly stay buying crown extracts usually spending 60 bucks for 2 grams and buying 45 dollar grams at times. When im medicating i use the TI nail, 710pen mini, and my G-pen Micro. It seems texture of the wax doesn't really help you in identifying if there is butane in wax or the smell for that matter.

What do you guys look for when purchasing wax?

Has anyone else been having a similar experience lately?

 

[jds32]

I've been getting sick of the taste of butane more and more as well. Sometimes even from claimed CO2 extracts.

In my experience low-butane taste is a vendor-specific thing that requires slogging through the yuck to find. Sometimes you can smell it. I find vaping the more horrid stuff in my Solo is somewhat less offensive.

Recently, I haven't tasted any butane in the full melt bubble hash I've been finding...

Edit: Just so we're all clear, fmbh is not an exact 1-for-1 replacement t for bho, e.g. It doesn't typically flash on a hot nail. It is, however, often outstanding sandwiched with herb in a vape, rolled in cotton in a vape, or combusted along with any 'carrier' of choice.

 

[Vicki]

Recently, I haven't tasted any butane in the full melt bubble hash I've been finding...

That's because bubble hash is not made with butane.

 

[Puffers]

I would hope you don't ever taste butane in bubble hash since bubble is a water extraction

I would try and stay away from waxes from clinics and look for shatter or sap if you can find it. If I get wax it's normally from my buddy and it's usually shatter that autobuddered into wax so I haven't found any butane...

 

[jds32]

That's because bubble hash is not made with butane.

That was kind of my point... Sorry for not being more clear.

I've been sampling a lot of concentrates lately and I've just found that pretty much everything extracted with butane retains at least some butane taste and a lot of it retains a lot of butane taste. And yes, I have found vendors that are consistently better with their purging than others. But, the best way I've found to avoid it is to seek out equivalent quality concentrates with no butane at all.

Again, even some of the supposed CO2 extracts I've tried taste of butane. And I'm finding that I'm really not fond of the taste.

Thanks for furthering the clarity of the thread.

 

[ak47bluntz]

I would hope you don't ever taste butane in bubble hash since bubble is a water extraction

I would try and stay away from waxes from clinics and look for shatter or sap if you can find it. If I get wax it's normally from my buddy and it's usually shatter that autobuddered into wax so I haven't found any butane...

that reminds me on 420 i went with that. i got some crown extracts shatter and it was the most nastiest butane filled extraction i've ever had. completely ruined my 420. Ive seen pure xtracts seems to have a better track record for me with cleaner purged extracts than crown extracts.

Which clinics have you seen with co2 extracts jbs32?

 

[Buildozer]

when my friend and i would make BHO.. we would purge that shit over and over for hours w/ an electric vac pump in a polycarb vac chamber.. over kill w/ it..
i'm guessing most vendors and collectives that make their own, aren't as picky about the purge. or since time is money, they don't want to take the time out for you.. also a lot of people get good looking wax that is purged half-assed, and rave about how bomb it is.. and that lowers the bar.. unfortunately as long as there are people willing to buy that quality med, they'll happily sell it.. once more people are educated, and start having higher standards outspokenly maybe that will change.. but its about money and most people don't know(care) what they're doing or cut a lot of corners and go for looks.
like puffers said look for shatter.. its actually possible get a good idea of its purge by its looks, if you know what to look for.. wax/budder (especially in collectives) can be very deceitful. i don't mind wax/budder.. if i make it, or know what standards it was made by. a dead give away to how purged it is.. is smoothness... really purged oil is sooo smooth.. all you get is an incredible lung tingle.
PureXtracts have been good by me.. the only brand i'll even buy these days.. it's been very consistent and clean IME. but if you want something done right some times you gotta do it yourself. just don't blow yourself up!! or Fox news might take an interest in you

*side note* the other day i saw on the local news commercial.. FOX news is doing a special on 'Marijuana Wax'.. whatever they have to say, i'm sure it'll be true and not intended to cause worry, like always

 

[dannkk]

That was kind of my point... Sorry for not being more clear.

I've been sampling a lot of concentrates lately and I've just found that pretty much everything extracted with butane retains at least some butane taste and a lot of it retains a lot of butane taste. And yes, I have found vendors that are consistently better with their purging than others. But, the best way I've found to avoid it is to seek out equivalent quality concentrates with no butane at all.

Again, even some of the supposed CO2 extracts I've tried taste of butane. And I'm finding that I'm really not fond of the taste.

Thanks for furthering the clarity of the thread.

Butane doesn't have a taste. It's tasteless and orderless. What you're tasting is methyl mercaptan. They have to add this chemical because it has a strong odor, which allows people to detect leaks by smell. It can't be purged out. The boiling temp is so high you'd ruin your oil purging it.

 

[jds32]

Which clinics have you seen with co2 extracts jbs32?

Unfortunately, I'm unable to shop at clinics :-(

Of the 2 legit CO2 extracts I've been sampling, both are packaged in oral syringes. Once (girl scout cookies) was very thick, but still appropriate for the syringe. The other (an indica) is so thin that it easily drips out of the 1ml oral syringe it came in.

What you're tasting is methyl mercaptan.

Thanks for the detail.
Q1: If its boiling point is so high, why is there such variance from product to product?
Q2: What's that somewhat similar (but definitely different) taste that I find in CO2 extracts?

Edit: Q3: What about food grade n-butane that's used in semi-enclosed systems, does that contain methyl mercaptan?

 

[satyrday]

I'm a newbie when it comes to these extracts (more like a nobie), but does the butane increase the high and might be desirable for some people not too picky about their health? Like how gas huffers get off on the stuff? Besides the taste, does anyone notice a difference in mental effect when there is a strong butane smell or taste? Sounds headachey to me.

 

[ak47bluntz]

when my friend and i would make BHO.. we would purge that shit over and over for hours w/ an electric vac pump in a polycarb vac chamber.. over kill w/ it..
i'm guessing most vendors and collectives that make their own, aren't as picky about the purge. or since time is money, they don't want to take the time out for you.. also a lot of people get good looking wax that is purged half-assed, and rave about how bomb it is.. and that lowers the bar.. unfortunately as long as there are people willing to buy that quality med, they'll happily sell it.. once more people are educated, and start having higher standards outspokenly maybe that will change.. but its about money and most people don't know(care) what they're doing or cut a lot of corners and go for looks.
like puffers said look for shatter.. its actually possible get a good idea of its purge by its looks, if you know what to look for.. wax/budder (especially in collectives) can be very deceitful. i don't mind wax/budder.. if i make it, or know what standards it was made by. a dead give away to how purged it is.. is smoothness... really purged oil is sooo smooth.. all you get is an incredible lung tingle.
PureXtracts have been good by me.. the only brand i'll even buy these days.. it's been very consistent and clean IME. but if you want something done right some times you gotta do it yourself. just don't blow yourself up!! or Fox news might take an interest in you

*side note* the other day i saw on the local news commercial.. FOX news is doing a special on 'Marijuana Wax'.. whatever they have to say, i'm sure it'll be true and not intended to cause worry, like always

DUDE IVE been looking soo forward to that fox 11 news cast its on Monday. i cant wait to see what they say lol. I saw it on saturday while i was smoking wax and watching cops LOL!

 

[ak47bluntz]

I'm a newbie when it comes to these extracts (more like a nobie), but does the butane increase the high and might be desirable for some people not too picky about their health? Like how gas huffers get off on the stuff? Besides the taste, does anyone notice a difference in mental effect when there is a strong butane smell or taste? Sounds headachey to me.

butane just makes you cough uncontrollably for sometimes a long period and gives you this disgusting taste when you smoke it off the TI nail. Usually when i get some butane filled wax i sometimes end up getting terrible headaches and you could smell the gas that was in the oils after you exhale. Im sure it isnt any good for your health neither most likely affecting your memory and your attention span.

 

[Buildozer]

DUDE IVE been looking soo forward to that fox 11 news cast its on Monday. i cant wait to see what they say lol. I saw it on saturday while i was smoking wax and watching cops LOL!

LOL.. same here.

 

[jds32]

butane just makes you cough uncontrollably...

It really gets to be nasty real quick. I particularly hate the residue on the back of my front teeth :-(

satyrday - If you're new to the modern "extract" concentrates, be prepared for some pretty powerful stuff. After your second hit, you're likely to be more high than you've ever been from flowers. It sure it a quick way to mess with your tolerances. A lot of people that stick with it start questing for lower butane levels pretty quickly.

Clarity note: We may be referring to complains re:methyl mercaptan, but for brevity and understanding's sake, can we agree to the interchangeability of "butane" and "what's leftover from the butane can after purging the butane"?

 

[ak47bluntz]

It really gets to be nasty real quick. I particularly hate the residue on the back of my front teeth :-(

satyrday - If you're new to the modern "extract" concentrates, be prepared for some pretty powerful stuff. After your second hit, you're likely to be more high than you've ever been from flowers. It sure it a quick way to mess with your tolerances. A lot of people that stick with it start questing for lower butane levels pretty quickly.

Clarity note: We may be referring to complains re:methyl mercaptan, but for brevity and understanding's sake, can we agree to the interchangeability of "butane" and "what's leftover from the butane can after purging the butane"?

Hey have your teeth yellowed more since you started to smoke wax also? ive been noticing my teeth gotten a bit more yellow since i began to smoke, even though i brush my teeth 2-3 times a day. Another thing it seems like the enamel on my front teeth seems to be like degrading anyone else think wax is probably more toxic than good?

 

[jds32]

Hey have your teeth yellowed more since you started to smoke wax?

No. I suspect the coughing has kept me from smoking that much off the nail or skillet. I vaporize most of my concentrates right now in my Solo, either sandwiched with herb or in a cotton ball.

 

[satyrday]

*side note* the other day i saw on the local news commercial.. FOX news is doing a special on 'Marijuana Wax'.. whatever they have to say, i'm sure it'll be true and not intended to cause worry, like always

After reading this thread, sounds like the smart money is already worried about some of this crap! But Fox will add fuel to any fire for ratings, so should be entertaining if not informative. They'll probably totally miss the real issues with it. If someone runs across the story online later, please post a link. Should be good for a

 

[dannkk]

Thanks for the detail.
Q1: If its boiling point is so high, why is there such variance from product to product?
Q2: What's that somewhat similar (but definitely different) taste that I find in CO2 extracts?

Edit: Q3: What about food grade n-butane that's used in semi-enclosed systems, does that contain methyl mercaptan?

1. There are regulations on minimum amounts of methyl mercaptan in all canned butane meant for commercial sale. The better companies, only use that minimum amount. Others use more. There's a big range of the amounts of different gasses in those cans. They're not just butane. There's propane in most, also. All these variances will have an effect.

2. I'm not sure about Co2 extracts. I've only had one. It did have kind of a chemically kind of smell to it. I guessed it's because Co2 might extract less or different terpenes.

3. From what I've read, when you get 99% pure N-butane, it can be free of methyl mercaptan.

Clarity note: We may be referring to complains re:methyl mercaptan, but for brevity and understanding's sake, can we agree to the interchangeability of "butane" and "what's leftover from the butane can after purging the butane"?

I don't think you can. Mercaptans aren't in all butane or all oils. Mercaptans are, however, in every single can of butane you can buy in the US.

 

[Atomsk]

I mostly stay buying crown extracts usually spending 60 bucks for 2 grams and buying 45 dollar grams at times.

What do you guys look for when purchasing wax?

Has anyone else been having a similar experience lately?

From the bottom up:

I'm not surprised your experiences with clubs have been less than desirable of late. Honestly, I think you'll be hard pressed to find a dispensary that sells quality at cost. Most clubs you go to have a selection that has been passed and picked at by the growers, extractors, their friends and business partners, then the dispensary staff, leaving you with whatever wasn't heady enough to take first dibs on. Sure, you can still find decent meds, but it can be very hard to find reasonably priced high quality stuff from a dispensary.

When I pick up wax the sure signs are pungent smell, lighter color (blonde, light green blonde, etc), the absence of particulates, the absence of bubbles (which may be left over solvent), strain and how much it smells like the strain.

At 60/2G's, I think we found your problem. You get what you pay for, and, keeping in mind my first paragraph, you can expect that those two cheap grams have been overlooked by the experts.

If you get Crown in your area, you should also be getting TerpX. TerpX is AMAZING. It's not nug-run every time (nug runs = their nectars), but is still superb quality. The taste is on point, the burn is clean, and they're great on potency on those sporadic occasions I found TerpX listed with lab results.

 

[ak47bluntz]

From the bottom up:
When I pick up wax the sure signs are pungent smell, lighter color (blonde, light green blonde, etc), the absence of particulates, the absence of bubbles (which may be left over solvent), strain and how much it smells like the strain.

At 60/2G's, I think we found your problem. You get what you pay for, and, keeping in mind my first paragraph, you can expect that those two cheap grams have been overlooked by the experts.

If you get Crown in your area, you should also be getting TerpX. TerpX is AMAZING. It's not nug-run every time (nug runs = their nectars), but is still superb quality. The taste is on point, the burn is clean, and they're great on potency on those sporadic occasions I found TerpX listed with lab results.

your right about the 2 grams for 60 i normally expect some abundance of butane left in it. But normally when i get the 2 grams for 60 i try to get the blonde colored waxes that have the smell of bud left in it. here's the catch tho sometimes when they dont have any of light colored waxes available i sometimes get the light brown colored and surprisingly they sometimes hit extremely well. They dont spark on the TI nail like some of the yellow waxes i picked up before.

next time i go to venice im look into the TerpX waxes. Have you tried the nectars how are they? ive been wanting to try them but the shop in venice taxes soo bad on those nectars, charging 70 bucks a gram.

 

[SD_haze]

your right about the 2 grams for 60 i normally expect some abundance of butane left in it. But normally when i get the 2 grams for 60 i try to get the blonde colored waxes that have the smell of bud left in it. here's the catch tho sometimes when they dont have any of light colored waxes available i sometimes get the light brown colored and surprisingly they sometimes hit extremely well. They dont spark on the TI nail like some of the yellow waxes i picked up before.

next time i go to venice im look into the TerpX waxes. Have you tried the nectars how are they? ive been wanting to try them but the shop in venice taxes soo bad on those nectars, charging 70 bucks a gram.

One $80/g nectar dab and I'm done

Not a regular thing but I might indulge in it once a year haha

 

[Atomsk]

here's the catch tho sometimes when they dont have any of light colored waxes available i sometimes get the light brown colored and surprisingly they sometimes hit extremely well. They dont spark on the TI nail like some of the yellow waxes i picked up before.

Have you tried the nectars how are they? ive been wanting to try them but the shop in venice taxes soo bad on those nectars, charging 80 bucks a gram.

The problem with lighter waxes from dispensaries is they can do things during extraction to make the wax look lighter overall. The trick here for me is to make sure that the wax passes all the criteria I stated, and there's a bit of a hierarchy there. I would actually choose a darker wax that smells like bud than a blonde wax that doesn't. If it's light colored but odorless, I can be sure it won't hit well.

The nectars are ridiculously strong and tasty, hence the price tag. The reason they're so pricey is that their normal wax is from trim + bud and is already a consistently quality product, but their nectars are made with nothing but buds. It's a marriage of professional extraction and high grade starting material. However, $70 is the usual going rate I see, and TerpX normally comes out with a Nectar grade wax about every 2-4 weeks.

Comes down to this: if you aren't able to extract wax yourself and are looking for a quality performer from a dispensary, you have to bite the bullet on cost.

Try other places for the nectar or any other TerpX, it's a line I'm sure you won't be disappointed with. They have them at the 710 Club in downtown LA, CPA in Santa Ana, and there's a third I'm forgetting.

Another top extractor who has nug-runs around the LA area is Laogrow. You can find a couple youtube videos on him and his product. They run at the same price but are equally well worth the money. I'm not sure where in LA but I know a place a bit south of the area that always carries Laogrow; it's called 215 Cleanest Wax Period.

 

[ak47bluntz]

Try other places for the nectar or any other TerpX, it's a line I'm sure you won't be disappointed with. They have them at the 710 Club in downtown LA, CPA in Santa Ana, and there's a third I'm forgetting.

Another top extractor who has nug-runs around the LA area is Laogrow. You can find a couple youtube videos on him and his product. They run at the same price but are equally well worth the money. I'm not sure where in LA but I know a place a bit south of the area that always carries Laogrow; it's called 215 Cleanest Wax Period.

Thats what made me start this thread. I went to the 710 club on sunday and got a gram of some crown extracts some westcoast OG. It came out tasting like butane when it smelled like some good ass kush and was nice and blond colored.

When i go to venice im just drop the 70 and get a nectar wax. i dont remember how a good tasting wax is anymore im going to look into the Laogrow and see whats good with there extracts also.

 

[Atomsk]

When i go to venice im just drop the 70 and get a nectar wax. i dont remember how a good tasting wax is anymore im going to look into the Laogrow and see whats good with there extracts also.

IMO, those are the cream of the crop if you're buying from clubs. I drive up from SD for TerpX a lot.

Check out this vid from Laogrow, shows off 215's budder, wax, and shatter. Notice how clean they look, how he can pick up any of the consistencies with his bare fingers and not have it stick. These guy know what they're doing.

 

[farscaper]

Have you ever concidered that its not the butane you are tasting? Perhaps you are overheating your nail and an overheated dab is gross!
or perhaps the maker used a low mesh ss screen as a filter and there is actually a lot of plant wax ... In your wax.

I used a 325 mesh ss screen and I typically use 2x layer brown filter and the mesh... Diffrence was that at the end of each dab the ss only filter has enough plant wax that it cherries at the very end after the oil has boiled off. If inhaled it fouls the taste. But has nothing to do with being poorly purged or low quality butane.