Any recommendation for a portable for a high tolerance medicator?

[SteveD]

Modnote: The following 4 posts were split from the Vapornation contest. Please avoid derailing or side-tracking discussions. Thank you.

I want to begin by stating that I have a condition which requires being medicated 24/7 and I have developed quite a high tolerance. I bought a Launch Box after reading pages and pages of reviews on the net. Almost all of them talked about how amazing it was, but every so often I would come across someone who was blatantly unsatisfied. I figured it was just user error, due to the steep learning curve, and went ahead and ordered one. Now however, I see why the nasty reviewers were confused. The Launch Box does not put out enough vapor for high tolerance users. Most of the people reviewing the box have relatively normal tolerances, and that creates a lot of confusion for someone looking for a hard hitting portable. To create even more confusion, Magic Flight market their product by saying how "efficient" it is, even going so far to say that some people notice a stronger high from the Launch Box. This may be true for some, but for me and other high tolerance users I know, the Launch Box does not deliver enough vapor to work effectively. I truly think it would be beneficial, for both Magic Flight and the high tolerance users giving bad reviews, to state that it is not a heavy hitter but it will make your stash last, and that is what they mean by efficiency.

Any recommendation for a portable for a high tolerance medicator?

 

[weedemon]

Any recommendation for a portable for a high tolerance medicator?

If you have access to concentrates or hash then the eclipse pipe is good, but not very stealthy.

I have never used it, but I have heard that the Vapor genie also puts out nice hard hits.

 

[biojuggernaut]

The lotus also falls underneath this category. But the screen has been known to get clogged pretty quickly.

The solo is the new kid on the block and is supposedly all the rage. I would go and take a look at the solo forum.

 

[charliedontsurf]

The Solo is a very impressive cloud provider for a portable! It also is a great vaporbong machine. Read mine and others' opinions in the Solo thread, but be wary of battery life limitations and possible warranty issues. This is -clearly- the wrong place to be having this discussion.

The glass VG can produce nice clouds too, and can also be easily translated to vaporbong use with a 10-30 dollar GonG, carbon-adapter type bowl.

The posters dislike for the MFLB is probably grounded in bad technique. Read the MFLB thread, search for discussion regarding micro-hitting. The MFLB has a mother of a learning curve for many people, but it's also an invaluable part of a vaporists arsenal.

 

[eddyfrancis]

Just wanted to say it is not improper hitting technique. Average tolerance friends have had plenty of success using it, with my instruction. It is a case of tolerance.

 

[OhTheAgony]

I'm very bias, but I'd definitely say: Solo

 

[wake n blake]

I was going to suggest a short tolerance break, but i see that's not an option.

Also the eclipse pipe is very harsh, the eclipse h2o is a water pipe attachment and makes the large rips SIGNIFICANTLY smoother and easy on the lungs/throat (with a mini beaker of sorts, this could be a semi portable, non stealth, way to vape).

The LB is proven to give heavy hits when manipulated. Try inhaling and not totally sealing your lips around the mouthpiece and you will milk out the stem.

Also, have you thought about trying to turn your herb into edibles? Hassle, yes... Heavy stone, yes also. (I know that's not a vape, just an idea).

I dunno if a portable will do you right... Maybe you should get a desktop vape and some portable power?

Good luck and sorry about your aggravations and condition.

 

[weedemon]

I feel i know what eddie is saying as i generally do not stop at one trench either. If possible it is much less hassle to get the dose right the first time rather than fiddle with reloading etc. esp if you are trying to be stealth.

about hte eclipse pipe, it can be harsh as a mother fucker yes. but put in good quality concentrates and heat it very slowly and it is also pretty damn delicious! it takes patience not to overheat it though. and i recommend a butane jet style lighter, a bic smoulders and makes it so you can't see what you are doing.

 

[eddyfrancis]

I didn't really mean to sound aggravated in my review. I only wanted to bring to light an issue that I think could be losing Magic Flight a few customers because of dissatisfied/confused reviewers. Also I just wanted to point out that I personally was in that boat and after trying a few other portables I realized it wasn't quite the right portable for me. The MFLB is an excellent vape for most people, but even the heavy hitting methods don't get me high enough.

As for edibles, I find they give me a "body" high but strangely it's the "head" high I get from vaping that helps to lower the IOP in my eyes.

 

[StickyShisha2]

using my MFLB with the PA, i can thoroughly vape a nearly full load in 2 long slow pulls.
but heavy hitter? not when compared to a dab of BHO.
portable?, yes. Stealthy?, not so much.

 

[biojuggernaut]

lotus. though you might combust once in a blue moon.

 

[Elluzion]

If you want some heavy hits, get the MFLB, load up a FULL trench of ground ABV, and hit it HARD with some Powerex 2700's, and you'll be rockin' <--- My midnight snack, knocks me out pretty quick, very enjoyable.

 

[obelisk]

Hmm, I thought there was a post in this thread I was planning to respond to, but I don't see it anymore. Oh well.

Portables are tough, I prefer portables to desktops for home too (who wants to be tied to a damn outlet) but, until about now, I didn't consider anything out there necessarily viable.

2 questions pertinent to your OP:

a) how often do you need a session? as in, you say heavy hitter-- can you elaborate on this a little more, what do you consider a heavy hitter?
b) what do you consider portable?

The MFLB will not work for you if you have a high enough tolerance. The missing post that I was planning to respond to mentioned something about "if you are not getting high off the MFLB, you are hitting it wrong". This is entirely incorrect. While I try to keep my typical consumption low, I tend to revert to old habits now and then. This means polishing off decidedly over a quarter in 2-4 hours using the HA or joints or a combo of both. If I partake that heavily, and do it consistently enough for a few days, my tolerance level goes immediately back to levels it used to be at when I was younger and smoking all the time. Well, not really, but it does shoot right up there for some reason.

I really don't think, in situations like the above, that the perception of no-high off an LB can be attributed to incorrect technique. Unless, of course, a high tolerance somehow also erases the mind's ability to remember how one hit the box at a lower tolerance level, when the LB worked just fine! I love my LB, but after a certain t-level it is useless.

The Solo could work, depending on how conveniently usable you need your portable be. It gives great hits and if you don't need to vape at a pace any faster than a toke per hour (not heavy usage), then it will last about 10-12 hours per charge (not battery life, this includes the hour between hits). Which is pretty decent. If you may need a hit every 10-15 minutes, then the Solo becomes tricky to use as a portable, or perhaps even practically unusable, for extended periods. It's weight and glass stem also detract from its portability, but this is manageable. If the battery suits your uses, this would be a very viable (and a very enjoyable!) option.

A vape that I am considering at this point is the Wispr. You should check out the thread, it may fit your needs.

Portables are difficult to find at this stage of the vape market unfortunately. Each of them has some drawback or the other.

 

[Qbit]

Another way to get thick clouds from the MFLB Is to use kief.

A great way to get plenty of kief is to dry your weed extra-dry by putting it on a warm surface (like the top of a TV) for a few hours. Then grind it in a grinder with a kief screen, and shake for the kief - you'll get lots.

 

[eddyfrancis]

Thanks for the great post obelisk! If I get nice and medicated, a high will last me 4 or 5 hours. The LB doesn't work fast enough for me to get completely medicated though so I end up using it around every hour. I have tried the Vapor Genie and liked it quite a lot although I think I would prefer the Lotus because I've heard the airpath doesn't touch the flame. I haven't tried the Solo yet but from the videos I've seen it looks like it could produce a sizable amount of vapor for someone like me. I tend to prefer vapor so thick it almost looks like smoke, so you can see why the LB doesn't quite work for me.

Basically for portable use, I'm not so concerned about stealth, or even batteries as long as they last a reasonable amount of time. I'm basically looking for something that gets you the thickest clouds possible with no electrical outlet.

 

[max]

the thickest clouds possible with no electrical outlet.

That's probably going to be the Supreme, especially hooked up to some glass. Other than that one, I think the consensus is going to be the Solo.

 

[eddyfrancis]

Ahhh, I had completely forgotten about the Supreme! I guess some part of my mind thought it was too good (and slightly dangerous) of an option for me to consider it a portable. Thanks Max!

 

[obelisk]

Thanks for the great post obelisk! If I get nice and medicated, a high will last me 4 or 5 hours. The LB doesn't work fast enough for me to get completely medicated though so I end up using it around every hour. I have tried the Vapor Genie and liked it quite a lot although I think I would prefer the Lotus because I've heard the airpath doesn't touch the flame. I haven't tried the Solo yet but from the videos I've seen it looks like it could produce a sizable amount of vapor for someone like me. I tend to prefer vapor so thick it almost looks like smoke, so you can see why the LB doesn't quite work for me.

Basically for portable use, I'm not so concerned about stealth, or even batteries as long as they last a reasonable amount of time. I'm basically looking for something that gets you the thickest clouds possible with no electrical outlet.

Eddy, I think you should look at the Solo. It may just work for you. It does give excellent hits. If you can try find someone with a Solo and try a session or two, that would be even better (so you can decide how well the hit satisfies you -- sucks to have to buy expensive vaped blindly). If you live in MA or the New England area, you could try mine if you want.

The Supreme would not work (for me) as a portable because of the huge heat block and well, wind is a likely annoyance factor that should be considered as well. Also, butane for the lighter (?) perhaps. But if all you need is a way to not be tethered to an outlet, and will use it at home more often than not, then it should definitely be very viable.

Back to work!

 

[max]

The Supreme would not work (for me) as a portable because of the huge heat block

The exposed element was a turn off for me as well. I just knew a bad burn was only a matter of time.

and well, wind is a likely annoyance factor that should be considered as well.

I don't see wind as being much of a problem, since this model requires a torch flame, and does much better with a good sized torch, vs. the tiny ones that Ed used to include with the vape.