Any advice about dealing with anxiety?

CarolKing

Singer of songs and a vapor connoisseur
What about getting a pet? I suppose that could create some anxiety also.

Music for me helps for anxiety. I also enjoy singing. When I would go for long fast walks I would have my music on my earphones. All my fav stuff and fast so I could keep my pace up.

I ride my bike outside when the weather isn't too bad. Just being outside in nature helps too for me.
 

herbivore21

Well-Known Member
A great thing about going outside is sunlight, specifically natural vitamin d absorption which can't quite be duplicated with supplements. Keeping up one's vit d levels is important for mental and physical well-being.
You can still get enough vitamin D from supplements/fortified foods but the absorption is definitely less so it's harder, expensive work. However, all you need is 15 mins of sunlight exposure to your face and forearms 4-5 times a week to get enough vitamin D. Sunlight could be a solution to the problem if you are vitamin D deficient :)
 

Enchantre

Oil Painter
RE: my anxiety.
I've coped with it my entire life, but since I've been going through mmj therapy, and some other therapy work, I've been digging my way through a whole lot of crap. Yes, meditation works well (I've been to five Vipassanna meditation retreats in the past 10 years), exercise works, and getting plenty of fresh air & sunlight helps....

but, recently, my anxiety has changed. What I'm thinking, and I've been discussing this in therapy, is that as I've been dealing with all the layers, all the stress, etc., the white noise that has been my "anxiety" has actually been so many threads of anxiousness, all woven into this mass that had no delineation. I've lost a LOT of those threads... so the few that are left are extremely obvious to me. I'm recognizing the "tape looping" of the particular thought-thread that pops up to annoy. I'm hoping that this means, eventually, I'll silence these last few, too.

In regards to the Adrenal Tumor idea, I stopped in at my doctor's office today (naturapath, actually has Saturday hours!), discussed my symptoms along with the Mayo Clinic's article, and she did a brief consult with the ND, and sent me home with a comprehensive testing kit.

Back when I was a CNA in a nursing home, while I was in college, one of the things we were told to look for was sudden changes in thinking... sudden paranoia, suspiciousness, and memory problems in particular... as they were strong indicators of a UTI. So, adrenals affecting anxiety, especially considering the effects of cortisol on a person, makes perfect sense to me.
 

grokit

well-worn member
You can still get enough vitamin D from supplements/fortified foods but the absorption is definitely less so it's harder, expensive work. However, all you need is 15 mins of sunlight exposure to your face and forearms 4-5 times a week to get enough vitamin D. Sunlight could be a solution to the problem if you are vitamin D deficient :)
Sometimes I use my grow tent as a big sad light, I like to put on my shades and sit in there in my underwear on dark winter mornings. I suppose that's the best of both worlds, absorbing the vitamin d rays indoors. I even have a couple of uvb bulbs going in there, that's what they use in the tanning salons.

I do know that most people are deficient in vitamin d, especially in the northern latitudes.
 

lwien

Well-Known Member
However, all you need is 15 mins of sunlight exposure to your face and forearms 4-5 times a week to get enough vitamin D.

That's not necessarily true. I get 60 to 90 minutes of sunshine every day and I am still vitamin D deficient and I have to take vit D supplements to get my levels up to where they should be. We're all a bit different in how our bodies respond, not only to supplements but to sunshine as well so I really think that a general statement as made above is just not accurate.
 

Magic9

Plant Enthusiast
Last year I was loaded up on Codeine, Lyrica, Celebrex and Camgesic to treat back, neck and shoulder issues. I am happy to say that I quit it all over Xmas and am now free of such substances.

Did you quit cold turkey or titrate down under dr. supervision?

Either way, it might be a good idea to see a doc. I found out the hard way that it's easier to pull out of if you don't go too deep to begin with. Is it possible to take a few days or a week off from work?
 

elvenflow

Well-Known Member
I think a doctor approach would be a referral to mental health department, not a full thyroid, kindey,etc workup.

An unfortunate decision on the part of many doctors, which often leads to death.

"Dr Smirl wrote: 'I can't prove it, and this is just my opinion, but I have no doubt in my own mind that my misdiagnosis was in large part due to the fact that I was a middle aged female and that my male doctors were preconceived towards a psychological rather than a physiological diagnosis.
'It is so easy to say that someone's symptoms are "anxiety" related if they are a little bit complicated, unclear or unusual. Don't repeat my mistakes.
'You know when something is wrong. Find another doctor that you connect with and who takes your concerns seriously. Get referrals. Get tested. Refuse to be dismissed"



Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2290128/University-professor-37-dies-lung-cancer-doctors-dismissed-symptoms-anxiety-depression.html#ixzz3OUHYL7Zc
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herbivore21

Well-Known Member
I should point out that the daily mail is possibly the worst source of science information in the whole world guys :p

I don't mean to pick on the poor buggers, I'm just saying that I would just as soon consult a young earth creationist as the daily mail ;-)
 
I just wanted to thank everyone again who has contributed to this thread. As the O.P I have found it very helpful. Hopefully this thread lives on for a while and helps other FC members as well.

I would have to say that a lot of my own ideas are similar to those suggested so it is both reassuring and good to know that I am on the right track. From my personal perspective I'm quite happy that I have been able to take some positive steps over the past few days and whilst I am still struggling I definitely think I am on the comeback trail. I don't know about you guys but I am a big believer in momentum. When I have none I am screwed. Once I get some momentum back I find I am able to start building in a positive direction so to speak.

I would just like to touch on a few of the topics raised in the thread so far;

- Firstly I just wanted to thank everyone that has shared their own experiences. It is very comforting to hear of others struggles and methods of coping/beating anxiety and moving forward.

- About Indicas - I am not in a legal place and am very lucky to get the flowers that I do. I can't pick and choose but my guy will let me know every few weeks when he has a new strain. I tend to get some whether I need it or not. Currently my stash is made up of AK47, Lavender Kush and Blueberry Kush. Last Friday I picked up an oz. of Platinum Bubba Kush. It is by far the strongest indica I have had in a very long time. So I am well stocked and am finding it is helping me to calm down.

- About exercise I totally agree that it is important. Actually I am a bit of a health nut and do exercise a lot. I'm into swimming, yoga, stretching (extensively), hiking and golf. I had not really thought about it but I have not done as much exercise in the past few months as normal. I have not been swimming since October and to be honest injuries and a medical condition have slowed me down considerably over the past 10 months or so. I am getting a bit better now and am going to start increasing my exercise. I went for a great hike on Saturday and made it to the top of a peak 9even managed a Crafty session on top!). I also got a good long walk in on Sunday as well. I hope to get a bit more intensive over the coming weeks but it is a good start.

- About diet -again I totally agree. I have a pretty exceptional diet actually. I am a nut and prepare a lot of my own stuff. I guess the word that identifies my diet is pescatarian but I don't really identify with that word. I have been a vegetarian for over 20 years but am technically no longer one as I now eat fish. But I am super healthy, always 3 meals a day, don't overeat, lots of veggies and fruit, not too much sugar, etc. Nonetheless, I have probably been consuming a bit more sugar than I would like to recently and that is currently being shut down.

- A Pet - @CarolKing - great idea. I want to get a dog very much and hopefully will in the next few months. I just need to settle a few things first.

- About supplements/herbal remedies, etc. I got myself some Passionflower supplements and have been taking them since Friday. I don't know if they are helping or not yet. About CBD Oils, I am very interested in this. Thanks @herbivore21 and @Snappo for your suggestions. I will follow up on this.

- About vaping temps - I'm kind of a high temp freak and I am wondering if I should lower my temps. My Enanos get run between 7 and 8 and my Crafty is always at 210c.

- About suggested texts and mindfulness/meditation/breathing - yes! I must learn to calm my mind. It is full of noise constantly. I will continue to look into this. Same as the calming stone.

- About a hobby - good suggestion @iwien - My hobby was swimming and golfing which I have not been able to do. I think it is time to find another hobby :)

- About quitting meds - no doubt this has had an effect on me. @Magic9 I did more or less quit cold turkey. The worst was the Lyrica. I tried to quit it a few months back and failed but did reduce my dose from 75 to 25 mgs a day. For me living in Asia it is not really possible to work with a doctor. Honestly they are only good for medical certificates, referals and perscriptions. I wish that was not the case. For example last time I spoke to my GP we had a conversation that went something like this;

Doctor: Have you tried a chiropractor?
Me: yes, but not in the past few months. Should I?
Doctor: It would probably be a good idea.
Me: Will you give me a referral?
Doctor: no

So guys that is about it for now I guess. Thanks again to you all. Honestly, your responses mean a lot to me and I hope this thread is able to help more of us in the future. Many thanks.
 

elvenflow

Well-Known Member
Re: Daily Mail-I was trying to stick with the light, entertaining news source. This one is too depressing:ugh::

http://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...71a374-9af4-11e2-a941-a19bce7af755_story.html

A 2009 report funded by the federal Agency for Healthcare Research and Quality found that 28 percent of 583 diagnostic mistakes reported anonymously by doctors were life-threatening or had resulted in death or permanent disability. A meta-analysis published last year in the journal BMJ Quality & Safety found that fatal diagnostic errors in U.S. intensive care units appear to equal the 40,500 deaths that result each year from breast cancer. And a new study of 190 errors at a VA hospital system in Texas found that many errors involved common diseases such as pneumonia and urinary tract infections; 87 percent had the potential for “considerable to severe harm” including “inevitable death.”

:(


I feel anxious now...:disgust:

The author of this rather entertaining book (used by the CIA as a training manual on terrorism) was initially diagnosed with anxiety, which turned out to be lung cancer:

http://www.amazon.com/The-Non-Violent-Militant-Ann-Fitzgerald/dp/0415606454

Getting a dog is safest. Dogs are smarter than many doctors.


 
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mvapes

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My advice for anyone dealing with anxiety is to take a step back, breathe, and ask yourself a series of questions revolving around what makes you anxious.

What I find is that when answering the questions to myself I learn that was really nothing to be anxious about.

Most of my anxiety stems from a single unresolved thought that manifested itself into somewhat of a snowball effect.

If that doesn't work I would highly recommend resorting to drugs.

:brow:
 

Eschient

Giga-Dweebess
I have dysthimia, aka persistent depressive disorder. I think my earliest signs of it started showing when I was about 7 or 8, but it's basically a constant low-level depression with cycles of major depression. I got the bonus diagnosis of generalized anxiety disorder and social anxiety when I finally caved in to pharma treatment/help. Point being, it's the kind of thing I have been living with forever.

I can't tell you how completely bummed out I was to learn about this type of depression. Some people liken it to PTSD because the depression and anxiety is so constant and pervasive that your body is constantly in fight-or-flight without any release for years. It alters your body chemistry as your system is constantly flooded with cortisol and reshapes your brain and manner of thinking. The only thing my antidepressants CAN do, is relieve the stress. It was a sad day when I realized I wasn't going to "get back to being myself" like they all say anti-depressants are designed to do because I don't have a self to get back to.

It was the same with the exercise and the weed. Well, ok, I always hated the exercise and it didn't do anything directly for my stress and anxiety, but losing 70lbs sure took the strain of my body, which became one less thing to obsess about and hate myself over.

The points I'm vaguely getting around to is long-term issues with anxiety don't usually get relief from a single magic bullet, you need a fully automatic weapon for it. In my case/example, the anti-depressants only relieve the physical stress my body experiences. The weed relaxes my anxiety and quiets my pessimism and racing mind. Those two things are what's going to allow me to really work on the issue, which means Cognitive Therapy, meditation, mindful actions, journaling and a massive removal of all my old habits. Basically, I have to build myself from scratch because for however long I've been building myself with defective material and unrealistic blueprints.

If you're dealing with a persistently recurring issue like that, you'll want to reassess everything. Your job sucks and you hate it, but can't do anything about that right now. At least not directly. If you work on all the other stuff, about being mindful and working on finding a sense of peace elsewhere in your life, instead of trying to stick out your chin and trudge through until "sometime later," you'll find it a much easier road.
 

herbivore21

Well-Known Member
I have dysthimia, aka persistent depressive disorder. I think my earliest signs of it started showing when I was about 7 or 8, but it's basically a constant low-level depression with cycles of major depression. I got the bonus diagnosis of generalized anxiety disorder and social anxiety when I finally caved in to pharma treatment/help. Point being, it's the kind of thing I have been living with forever.

I can't tell you how completely bummed out I was to learn about this type of depression. Some people liken it to PTSD because the depression and anxiety is so constant and pervasive that your body is constantly in fight-or-flight without any release for years. It alters your body chemistry as your system is constantly flooded with cortisol and reshapes your brain and manner of thinking. The only thing my antidepressants CAN do, is relieve the stress. It was a sad day when I realized I wasn't going to "get back to being myself" like they all say anti-depressants are designed to do because I don't have a self to get back to.

It was the same with the exercise and the weed. Well, ok, I always hated the exercise and it didn't do anything directly for my stress and anxiety, but losing 70lbs sure took the strain of my body, which became one less thing to obsess about and hate myself over.

The points I'm vaguely getting around to is long-term issues with anxiety don't usually get relief from a single magic bullet, you need a fully automatic weapon for it. In my case/example, the anti-depressants only relieve the physical stress my body experiences. The weed relaxes my anxiety and quiets my pessimism and racing mind. Those two things are what's going to allow me to really work on the issue, which means Cognitive Therapy, meditation, mindful actions, journaling and a massive removal of all my old habits. Basically, I have to build myself from scratch because for however long I've been building myself with defective material and unrealistic blueprints.

If you're dealing with a persistently recurring issue like that, you'll want to reassess everything. Your job sucks and you hate it, but can't do anything about that right now. At least not directly. If you work on all the other stuff, about being mindful and working on finding a sense of peace elsewhere in your life, instead of trying to stick out your chin and trudge through until "sometime later," you'll find it a much easier road.
I have the same condition as you, amongst others.

I had a similar experience, except that I found that SSRI's just knocked me all over the place because I wear many professional hats when I am not too sick to work and am often far too busy to take them at the same time every day. SSRI's need to be taken in the context of a life structured enough to allow dosing at the same time every day, with special attention given to which time of day is best for the given patient. This is anathema to how I function best in every other aspect of my life.

I ended up abandoning SSRI's which were just a cruel joke in my situation and an unwelcome expense and another thing to freak out about if I forgot to take them.

Long story short, I don't use anymore SSRI's, no benzo's, no more atypical antipsychotics for sleep, no more out of control poly-substance abuse just to feel half-way able to handle being around other people. I have not used any other illegal or legal drug in months now.

The reason - medicinal cannabis. More specifically, understanding and harnessing concentrates, minimizing time spent stuck to the bong and kicking combustion, ditching plant material in my oils and learning the benefits of different modes of concentrate consumption.

I am more and more moving away from flowers, yesterday I had a single .2g bowl of THC Bomb flowers in my Crafty. Everything else was THC Bomb QWISO wax either on the oil pad in my Mighty at 210c for super tasty, functional daytime effect or pristine winterized Northern Lights/THC Bomb/Blue Cheese QWISO absolute shatter bhombs on my PukinBeagle/Dnail/Pyrology setup with small hits every now and then of Omega Labs Deadhead OG CBD oil on my Minicron with KISS Globes to take the edge off all that THC.

Probably about .25g of oils yesterday in total. I find that it is more functional for me to avoid the consumption of flowers and to use moderate microdoses of vaporized concentrates instead. I only use waxes at lower temps in my Mighty because I find that this cooler 210c convection arrangement (almost half the 345c that I dab at!) mitigates the harshness and congestion one experiences after dabbing wax rather than dewaxed pristine absolutes, which I can even dab in a dry piece without harshness. I only ever use the clearest, lightest coloured waxes/shatters. I absolutely do not dab anything but top notch dewaxed absolute shatters. Plant material is forbidden in my dabs as I find the somnolent effects of their high temp vapours counterproductive.

Dabbing/vaping is epic for those of us who experience panic attacks and anxiety. Faster acting than the fastest of benzos (kiss that xanax goodbye from your panic attack emergency stash!). I do not use edibles as I find them not very well suited to my medical needs, too much couchlock due to decarb does not a productive scientist make!

To the above poster and anyone else who has problems with depression/anxiety: Please check out concentrates and please incorporate CBD into any medical cannabis treatment schedule - it really does change the game completely!

My eating disorder is in remission, I maintain a healthy weight even when work dictates that I can't leave the house for long periods at a time. I don't self-harm with drug and exercise related purge behaviours and I never deliberately starve myself anymore. I may not be completely comfortable in my body but I am not crippled by this discomfort. I still get my triggers, I still have such trouble buying clothes because I am never satisfied with how I look, but if that's the worst I have, I can live with it. ;)

My depressive illness will always need constant work to stave off that constant depressive undertone which is the perfect precursor to dangerous double-depressions - I too have had the same lifelong depressive illness - but I'm functioning better than I ever have in my adult life right now!

I take care of my needs before they are a problem now rather than just being held hostage by one stressful event after another due to a constant pathological sense of hopelessness and inability to cope with stress! My anxiety can come back here and there, but relief from this is only ever an inhale and a few minutes away :)

Things can get better guys, but this all happened alongside me making drastic changes to my life in other areas.

I have learned (perhaps obviously enough) that I know my symptoms better than other people do. I do not let other people tell me how far to push myself. I know that shit much better than they do. I am always ambitious still, but I will only work on a basis that works with my illness, and I won't take no for an answer when it comes to asking employers to make adjustments for the sake of my health. At the end of the day if I'm gonna make you rich, you're gonna make sure I'm fed, clothed, sheltered, happy and healthy.

I am so fortunate to live somewhere and have the skills/position to be able to do this, I know so many people who suffer from the same illnesses that can't make any of the changes they sorely need to stressors in their lives because they're wage slaves working day-in, day-out for sweet fuck all.

Unfortunately, those of us who suffer with depression and other mental illnesses are especially vulnerable to dead-end jobs and the kind of exploitative employers who take advantage of the self-destructive apathy that keeps us stuck in these for years and decades and lifetimes.

My goal as I get healthier is to develop a way to offer flexible and gainful (Read: WELL PAID WITHOUT THIRD PARTIES TAKING A PIECE OF THE PIE!) employment to the mentally ill, as well as to advocate for proper accomodations to be made around the world for people living with these symptoms.

Also to advocate for free public mental healthcare as a human right, which must be offered to those who can't afford it as a top priority - as this is where the most need usually is! When we're at our worst mentally, we are usually at our least capable to pay for treatment.

Finally, as a postscript: Like any other medicine, if you find a strain is providing a less than positive experience - please do not persist with it - try something else! Some terp profiles are more useful for those with conditions like ours than others.
 

Papuji

Member
Cool posts here...

I will say something about my experience too, ive gone to hospital for depression, anxiety, psychosis... which could also be called just being extremely stressed even just physiologically (sleep, food, exercise), and having social issues, bad childhood etc

Any mental disorder, people have similar traumatized stories, partly genetics, partly by choices and chance i guess which are tied with beforementioned

The cannabis part: i started growing a year ago, i chose a sativa heavy hybrid strain that supposedly is somewhat anxiety, depression friendly. when the flower was still either raw or wet, i became bit uneasy, anxious when vaping. I continued to flower fully, and dried well, then the effect was very euphoric, anxiety free headrush... note i had become used to to the strain a bit by then.

Cannabis, i think, helped me first to make my body flexible again, everytime i got high i got feeling of stretching, excercising my body in different natrual baby-like ways. Then i think it helped me to be more aware of my anxiety and deal with it. But has to be said, cannabis is only one thing, substance in life

In addition to this, i have started running( partly thanks to cannabis relaxation), drinking a lot of water, sleeping regularly and well, D vitamin, fish oil, SSRI medicine (which i stopped after a while, whole thing is too ambiguous to me, but i think it did help a bit to get past a rut), sunlight imitating lamp over winter, as well as the hobby of growing has many natural lights, sounds, smells that helped ovet the winter, and plant teach patience, growing and reminds what is to be living being, then the "yoga/mindulness" stuff i mentioned. And tried to socialize more

Sounds a bit obsessed, but it just happened, i took a few new habits and built from, some was accidental.

Right now i can say i feel much better than year ago and "better" actually means to me something now, i was very anxious, apathetic, scared, depressed, depersonalized, confused, paranoid. A lot thanks to alcohol and life threatening experiences. They are still there but in much more toned down version, more tolerable and controllable, and sometimes just not there. I also don't obsess as much over stuff, i let things go their way and that's the feeling i like to have

through this experience, i feel like cannabis does not directly by itself trigger anxiety (depending on bunch of conditions though), its more underlying feelings becoming accentuated, more apparent... but im not fully certain on that.

But i would still stick to weed that is researched to be ok for you and well grown, dried etc

I remember different strain gave me total couch lock which was fine, but not exactly change inspiring
 
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Steele Concept

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Papuji, you mention alcohol and stress. Alcohol can wreak havoc on anxiety, panic attacks, depersonalization etc. Not to mention the problems it can cause with sleep, proper B vitamin absorption and well being. In college toward the end I felt terrible and super anxious all the time. There was some life circumstances but mostly it was the excessive drinking we tend to do in college.

Avoid alcohol or if you are going to consume, do so in moderation, aka a drink or two. Much easier on the mind and body as well as more effective to choose hard exercise, meditation and the right cannabis strain :)
 

RainbowHappiness

New Member
I'm really sorry to hear about your struggles. I've had General Anxiety Disorder since I was 14, and it's a fucking monster. Also developed a phobia last year.. that was pure insanity, but I'm coping much better now. Either way, there are lots of ways you can help yourself cope, so that's the good news :)

I will say, if you have access to covered, free, or affordable sliding scale therapy- DO IT. I know most people will start by saying, "No way, I don't need a shrink"! (Which is so silly by the way.) Going means getting invaluable coping tools to put in your utility belt to fight the monster with! If you absolutely see no way of making that happen, look into anxiety self help books. It's not as good as a one on one with a therapist, but they too have a lot of great coping techniques!
Until then, one of the best things you can do for yourself is work on deep breathing techniques. I know it sounds stupid, but that is one of the best habits/tools to use. Especially controlling your breathing when you're in the middle of a panic attack. Meditation is also something to try- I've found it's greatly helped, and helped others I know with GAD.

That being said, there are other things besides benzos. I personally have benzos because there is a feeling of safety knowing you have them, and knowing you have a way out if the anxiety is too much. After all if you have a panic attack, you can have more anxiety fearing panic attacks.. that cause you to have a panic attack. What a cycle, eh? Benzos offer that safety net.
BUT I understanding wanting to avoid them, I avoid taking mine if at all possible- they're only for emergencies. A great herbal thing to use is chamomile tincure. I make my own, super simple (here's a video). I make mine with everclear, then after it's strained I let a lot of the alcohol evaporate off to give me a really strong tincture. That stuff saved me from having to take my anxiety meds more times than I can count. Also did you know you can vape other plants? I've heard vaping fresh lemon balm (has to be fresh, the active compounds are in the essential oils on the leaves) is amazing for it! I have also heard of people vaping chamomile or lavender.

I know this next statement won't be popular but... marijuana typically makes anxiety worse long term. Every person I've ever talked to with anxiety issues, every group therapy I've been to, everyone always agrees that long term it made it worse for them. The vast majority of them had to stop because of it. That happened to me too, didn't think it would, but it did. Back from a 5+ year hiatus from the herb, and only sticking to extremely low THC strains and only 1-2x a week at most.
Everyone is different, but just keep that in mind. You said it seemed like extracts made the anxiety worse, don't just brush that off.
 

ataxian

PALE BLUE DOT
Wow. I just got through reading all of your responses and I must say I am deeply touched and grateful for all of your thoughts and ideas. Thank you. I am at work right now so I can't respond properly but I will write a proper response later tonight.
I think we maybe from the same era?

Anyway I have been dealing with anxiety since September 2014.

I had to quit concentrates.
I only medicate with 0.5 grams a day now.
Before I was 3 gr à week shatter and 10 grams a week flower's.
I had to quit a career that was a dream job.
I shaped surfboards for release.

now I need to readjust to control my anxiety!

hang ten in you mind and always ride the barrel!
 

fernand

Well-Known Member
Wow, so many of us ... and so many ideas. Feel for you, @Mr. Gweilo 420.

With all this lifestyle creative problem-solving, allow me to only focus on pharmacology. We do have some reasonably helpful "western" meds, but they are patches with a much greater cost/benefit than Big Pharma admits. You know all that. Depression and anxiety are often quite related. One cheap and legal remedy that has helped me is St John's Wort. It's a weak MAO inhibitor, how exactly it works on mood is unknown, but it helps me with that impending doom feeling, and so I've taken a 300mg cap of powdered herb daily for years. Some people swear by 5-HTP.

There's a peculiar Russian compound called Ladasten, or Bromantane. You might look into it. The claim is that after a month's treatment it can be DC'd with no withdrawal reaction, and benefits persists for months. Now isn't that peculiar? It's used for asthenia, which is a term for depression. My reaction to it was a much improved mood, with more energy, but not speedy, very mellow. A quarter of a tab twice daily was useful, a whole tab was too "thick". We don't have much English-language info about this drug, it's unexplored in "the West" except for being banned in competitive sports, but that's not unprecedented, and if I were desperate I'd overcome my distrust and give it a real try. The lack of rebound makes it appealing. The alleged long term effects could be wonderful, though it sure would be lovely to know how that's possible. Awakebrain dot com sells it in the US.

They also offer Etifoxine, or "Stresam", another Russian Rx, a sort of benzo with less rebound, but that one struck me as rather worthless.
 

Joel W.

Deplorable Basement Dweller
Accessory Maker
I was on meth for much of the 90's and while I have not even seen it for over 16 years, I still "feel" like I am on it sometimes to the point where I get so anxious, I just have to get away or avoid most social situations altogether. I quit cold turkey, moved to a new town, started over so I never received any medical treatment.

Then, in 2007 I had 3" copper test cap on a 12 foot pressure vessel fail during testing, striking me in the gut and spitting me across the shop. It caused some minor internal bleeding, broken rib, some back pain but mostly just road rash from knocking the wind out of me for sure. I think I may have some PTSD from that as I get extremely jumpy at work even today making more of the same pressure vessels or anytime there is a loud noise, I about jump out of my skin.

Now my marriage is in trouble and our counselor (who i kinda agree with so far) says I may need to see a doctor about my mood swings and depression, She was quite shocked I am even alive after my 10 year run with meth and no treatment. She mentioned I should be asking about ssri's or sri's something to do with serotonin receptors/levels imbalance? I dunno, i was pretty high at the time. lol

I am already getting the vibe they (counsellor and my wife) want me to cut back on my weed but I think that is a really bad idea. First, I love it too much and second, when I am out for week or two (knock on wood) I can not sleep and I get even worse with my anger/moods. I get mean..

Anyways, I did actually call and schedule an appointment for later this month to see a real doctor. My sister (FYI never on meth lol) has been fighting with depression/loss and has been taking Celexa, She says it has changed her life for the better. I really don't like doctors or pills, but I know they can be helpful, so I will keep an open mind for now. I Like all these suggestions so far!

This thread was helpful!
 

grokit

well-worn member
She mentioned I should be asking about ssri's or sri's something to do with serotonin receptors/levels imbalance?
They're basically called (selective) re-uptake inhibitors; they stop certain chemicals that can affect mood from reaching your brain. They're not without their side effects -- which can include making your depression worse. Typically you try a few different ones to find the one that makes you feel the least like shit. I would rather try different strains of mmj (if possible), to see what makes me feel the best.
 
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Joel W.

Deplorable Basement Dweller
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Thanks Sir, Normally I buy from a dispensary and it was usually based on looks and smells alone. But now I recently harvested and it was all from seed, so the strains are a mystery but this next round I will get some that are recommended for depression/anxiety relief and or a few CBD strains as suggested. like Sour diesel and whatever else people may recommend here?

That omega oil looks interesting but it all seems to be flavored? The Nectar looks kinda YUMMY though...:drool:

We picked up two pedal bikes last weekend to get out in the sun and get some exercise now and then after work. That does actually seem to help as we have been argueing less lately which intern helps with anxiety/depression.

I still prefer to stay away from pills of course but if there is one out there that is known to help someone like me, with my history, then it may be worth hearing recommendations and or trying. But if they all make you feel shitty like chantix has for me, the yes, fuck the pills.
 
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ataxian

PALE BLUE DOT
Thanks Sir, Normally I buy from a dispensary and it was usually is based on looks and smells alone. But now I recently harvested and it was all from seed, so the strains are a mystery but this next round I will get some that are recommended for depression/anxiety relief and or a few CBD strains as suggested. like Sour diesel and whatever else people may recommend here?

That omega oil looks interesting but it all seems to be flavored? The Nectar looks kinda YUMMY though...:drool:

We picked up two pedal bikes last weekend to get out in the sun and get some exercise now and then after work. That does actually seem to help as we have been argueing less lately which intern helps with anxiety/depression.

I still prefer to stay away from pills of course but if there is one out there that is known to help someone like me, with my history, then it may be worth hearing recommendations and or trying. But if they all make you feel shitty like chantix has for me, the yes, fuck the pills.
Don't take my advice as we are all different!
I have major anxiety besides the disease I deal with!
Vaporizing is my medicine!
GSC during the day!
GDP before bed!

Their are others I love these are my basic starters.

SNOOP DOGGY PURPLE KUSH, BLACKWATER, ANIMAL COOKIES are good for me as well.
 

herbivore21

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Wish I could choose appropriate strains for my anxiety! These days things are looking up for me and I've been much better depression wise but anxiety is a nightmare and I've had quite some panic attacks lately!

Need to get me some more OL cbd oils!

Vaping is my medicine also.

I haven't had benzos in the house in ages. I don't want drugs of addiction in my house. I've chased that dragon before and I am not interested in starting again.

I think having a good pen cart full of cbd oil is a must, I love the new Kiss dual coil alpha centauri cart because I can keep it in my pocket and get a nail sized hit very quickly wherever I am if I feel a panic attack coming on!

By the way, for those talking about chamomile tinctures above, I am not sure if you guys are familiar but a long while back I made some very nice chamomile QWISO sap. It dabbed very clean and was super tasty. Might try my hand at it again sometime soon with all the new tech I've developed since then! :)

Chamomile is nice as a mild relaxer, but I would not be relying on it for major league anxiety!

@Joel W. bro, I feel for you, I had an ex who was shooting meth from quite a young age and she often reported feeling like she was still on it. Not too long after she got extremely sick and we had to end things (I went through hell and this was extremely damaging to my mental health in a lasting way, but I just can't hold it against her knowing what she'd been through in the past); she got back into it again - in part she said to get over anxiety. I believe her. I have never seen someone with such bad anxiety. It was heartbreaking.

Glad you managed to get out of that ice rabbit hole brother! Go easy on yourself, you've come a long way! Still do your best to take care of your partner, I know from my own behaviors without talking about ex's that we can really not treat our partners how we would like to (and really should) when we are overcome with depression/anxiety.

Be very careful with SSRI's. They fucked me. Lexapro took away my sex drive almost completely and it has not gotten back to normal ever since (stopped using it a year or two ago!) and I found if I didn't take my pill at the right time every day, my depression and anxiety were worse than ever!

There is a burgeoning body of psychiatric literature finding that past clinical studies may have significantly overblown the efficacy of SSRI's for depression because of publication bias amongst other problems (publication bias is the tendencies for journals to publish studies with significant findings rather than those that find little effect - subsequent meta-analyses can then be skewed as a result of the lack of published articles with less exciting findings).

Got really bad neurological side effects from the Lexapro too, especially when starting on it. These side effects themselves almost drove me to suicide once or twice.

If you ever got any questions about anything like this, just drop me a line my friend. I'm happy to help where I can and am a qualified research psychologist (not clinical!).
 
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