Am i unfit to think about dropping acid atm?

[weedemon]

Hey everyone,

Now I know this is not an "other drugs" forum, but I want the FC opinion on this one because I respect what most of you have to say on most other subjects we talk about. If this is totally inappropriate to talk about then I can respect that. plz delete it if so.

a little background information on me:
As some of you may know I recently broke up with my gf of over 3 years. I still feel emotional when i think about her, but it has gotten a hell of a lot better than it was originally. I stopped crying about it 5 days ago.

I have had some cool things happen to me since then. I met another interesting girl (we are just talking atm. I am in no rush), I landed a part time job, and to be honest feel somewhat optimistic about life. I do suffer from social anxiety and have trust issues. It can be a little limiting in what I do in my everyday life. as some things that shouldn't be a big deal really are for me. I don't want to go into too much detail, but lets just say I grew up with a best friend who was a psychopath. Gonna stop there on that one. I'm the kind of person who won't watch horror movies anymore. I also am going back to see my therapist to see if he can help me like he had done for me 4 years ago once.

Now onto the question.

I have done my fair share of drugs in my earlier 20's and I was reminiscing with my buddy. I was telling him those days are good and done for me. I had my fun and know what they feel like. Acid was the only one I have any real interest in trying still.

I am wondering if doing acid could even help me get over my shit? Or do you think there is a possibility I am going to freak out and my issues are going to hit me even harder?

I know it's not a good idea to take it when you are in a bad frame of mind. But what do you guys think?

Personally I think I should wait a bit longer before I think about doing it, I don't want to put myself in a bad situation. I recall a bad shroom trip once; we took 6 dry grams each on relatively empty stomachs. The walls and windows were melting, the tv was saying the most insane/psychotic shit to us both and it was scary. I don't want anything like this to happen!

 

[Sour Deez]

I would hold off, sounds like you are still skaken up deep down, and a trip turned bad can easily bring these emotions out ten fold.

It can also ease the mind, but you have to be in that right place mentally. I tripped fairly soon after my mom passed away and it actually helped me cope, but i never had a bad trip.

Setting also plays a big part, make sure you are comfortable with your surrounding.

If you do decide to do it, try to keep the dose low, it can be very therapeutic.

 

[Nycdeisel]

I dont have any experience with that drug, but I completely understand your situation and I hope that one day I will be genuinely happy and stable enough to have an enjoyable and maybe even enlightening LSD experience.

From what you said there, I would also say to hold off. I know that you are aware it should be planned out properly, and if you arent very sure then you probably are not ready emotionally and mentally.

P.s: I dont like scary movies either

One more thing, from what I have read on shrooms, which is a fair amount, as I considered it thoroughly once, 6 grams sounds like too much for a first time trip. most people have recommended about half that amount

 

[stroh]

stress and psychedelics do not mix well. i would hold off on trying acid if you think you might not be up to it. however, from the sounds of it, you seem to be doing okay from your recent breakup, and you know your mindset better than any of us ever could, so the decision is ultimately left to you.

LSD is a very powerful mind-altering substance, yet i feel its effects are much "cleaner" than shrooms, without much of the confusion and dissociation i feel from the latter. it can be very insightful and therapeutic as sour deez mentioned, and (mind)set and setting play a large factor in the overall enjoyment of the trip.

i would personally hold off if i was in your situation, but i have also had a strong negative experience with LSD once, and i know how unpleasant a bad trip can be. however, i have also had some of the most pleasurable and introspective moments of my entire life while under the influence, and i strongly believe that most people should experience it at least once in their lifetime.

 

[AGBeer]

Wait until its no longer even a fleeting thought before you go down the rabbit hole. Also make sure you are in good company that can help guide you through your journey.

Like was said before, having the correct mindset beforehand is key, dont expect the drug to do it for you.

 

[weedemon]

That's pretty much what I am thinking too. I will wait a while. i think the next window of opportunity will be about a month from now. I'm fine waiting till then or even later.

I hope this stuff has a decent shelf life. the dealer was guessing 6 months (he sounded unsure though) I will check on erowid. He(dealer) said it's temperature and light sensitive so we are storing in a bag in a tin at room temp.

I also believe that lsd is something I need to experience before i die... at some point.

when you say wait til it's not even a fleeting though. you are meaning my "should i do it?" questioning right?

about my shroom trip. I have done shrooms many times and i feel i have a good general handle on them I haven't used them in over 4 years though now. I know 6 g's is a huge dose it wasn't my first time though, Normally i will take 1.5-3.5 g dry for a good effect (the best is when camping/hiking). we were just experimenting with high doses then. we ground them up and put them in gel capsules (I hate the taste of them!). I think this might have helped with hitting us quickly too. downed it with OJ as the viatmin C supposedly makes the buzz harder yet. the first time I only took 1 gram.

 

[gettin lifted]

as someone who considers himself as a psychonaut, i feel my input would be beneficial for you. i know im a bit late to the party but here it goes..

im a psychedelichead and im not afraid to admit it. ive tried quite a bit of different psychedelics and these days i only stick to the naturally occuring ones, i feel as if they are here for a reason and are perfect how they are, no need to make a synthetic psychedelic. I stick to shrooms, dmt, and mescaline for these reasons.

I have found acid to be an interesting compound but id much rather have shrooms anyday. if it helps, shrooms are more mindfucky then acid is. while acid is more visual then shrooms. so in terms of having a bad trip, youre more likely to have one on shrooms then acid.

in regards to "bad trips". i personally hate when i hear of people saying they had bad trips on psychedelics. unlike with other drugs, psychedelics vary in effect greatly everytime you take them. you should take these negative thoughts that are your so called "bad trips" and integrate them into your life to make you a better all around person and work past your demons.

as far as taking psychedelics while stressed in life, usually isnt the best idea for most people. however, im an exception to this rule, as are some others. i like to take psychedelics even when im feeling down or dealing with stress and issues in life. they help me truely introspectively look into my issues and map out how to fix them. id much rather trip in a clear mindset, but i honestly like using psychedelics to focus on the negatives in my life and try to accept and move on or change for the better.

no ones gonna know if youre ready to take a drug, only you know this. personally, id stick to natural drugs, if any at all, but i see no harm in a little lsd use.

this reminds me how i was debating trying dmt for the first time. watched a friend extract it from the root bark, recrystalize it, handed me a vaporgenie with a nice few hits in it. i debated doing it since it is the strongest drug known to man, and since my life was kinda sketchy at the time, but i did it. glad i did, even if it was the most terrifying, happy, confused, euphoric, dreamlike 5 mins of my life, yes just 5 mins, but feels like hours. i completely shattered my ego, and when i came back out of it my life was changed forever, i no longer sweated the small stuff, looked at life in a more positive way and dmt and i have been best friends since. i met entities, heard alien voices, flew through hyperspace, was so magical, and still is everyime i do it. so this is just an example of how psychedelics can even do positive durring negative times in life.


also just putting this out there but how positive are you that youre getting real lsd? id probably be more interested in breaking my natural psychedelic rule only for lsd if i knew id get real product. last few times i had tried to get it i got fake versions, which i believe was called DOI, very different from acid. then my buddy just recently returned from a festival where he bought a few hits of what he thought was acid and took it the other night and tripped for like 30 hours straight, deff was not acid lol.

best of luck to you with your psychedelic travels.

 

[VWFringe]

He who dies before he dies,
doesn't die when he dies.

always a good time to take psychedelics, perhaps, if you go into it the with the right frame of mind...

been a long time for me, and I've held it in my mind that doing it again would be a weakness, not something positive, but then I saw this recently...

Rick Doblin, Ph.D. interview

maybe it wouldn't be like when i was young...this guy either is or wants to be a psychedelic practitioner, be interesting to see or hear about how he guides his patients.

 

[djonkoman]

I'm no expert(only took truffles once, and recently mdma, but that's no hallucinogen/psychedelic)
but I would say you know it best yourself
I think it depends on the kind of 'bad mindframe' you're in
are you optimistic you'll get out of it?
are you already on the right path? (for me my truffletrip didn't bring anything new jusy confirmed I was heading down the right path, I think the 'bad trip' part comes when you realise you're not on the right path, and you already spend a lot of effort on the wrong one, or you can get to the right path for some reason or don't know what/where it is)
and ofcourse it depends on you personally, are you the kind of person that steps over troubles and goes on with your life, or the kind of person that spends too much time thinking about trouble, mistakes etc, what went wrong and feeling bad about mistakes that can't be changed or done over
(in other words, do you look back only to learn, or do you live in the past and can't look to the present/future because you're too involved with looking back)

 

[gettin lifted]

I'm no expert(only took truffles once, and recently mdma, but that's no hallucinogen/psychedelic)

i just wanted to point out that 3,4-methylenedioxymethamphetamine aka MDMA is a psychedelic amphetamine. so it is actually a psychedelic. which is why everyone brings glowsticks and such to raves so they can watch the "psychedelic tracers" come off them.

if i were you, id stay clear away from mdma, almost everyone ends up abusing it, and the neurotoxicity involved is crazy. obviously not gonna kill you from a few uses, but ive seen people really fuck themselves up on it, serotonin syndrome, feeling like they were gonna die for weeks, just keep it a rarity if you decide to dabble with it again. i went kinda crazy on it durring my synthetic drug days, not to say i didnt love it, its just not worth the damage.

also theres a huge problem here in florida with people selling various research chemicals as real mdma. if you do decide to dabble with e-pills or pure mdma for that matter you should look into buying a test kit to see if it really is the real deal. also, not gonna give the site out but if you google "pill reports" there is a huge list of all the popular pressed pills being circulated and whats truely in them. ive tested a few in my day and its scary that sometimes they wouldnt even contain much mdma, if any at all. there is plenty of other nasty shit out there people put in in place of mdma, its really gross. if youre gonna do it, buy pure mdma and test it. (not trying to encourage drug use, just trying to educate people for safer drug use if they choose to) its not like with weed where its obivous to tell its real weed, just because someone says its something doesnt make it so, sometimes the supplier doesnt even know they have fakes or other nasty shit cut in their supply.

not trying to sound like your daddy, just trying to enlighten yourself on the subject or anyone else that stumbles onto this post.

 

[tdavie]

Personally I would wait until you are in a space that you feel comfortable with (e.g. you know your situation is going to be stable for at least a few months, no moves planned and past stresses no longer capable of hurting you. Also grab a friend you can trust with your life, unplug your phones, shut off your cell phones (minimize the possible external intrusions), and prepare your surroundings.

I've only tried shrooms and one RC I made in 1988 (a DMT derivative with methoxy groups).

Bottom line, IMO wait until you are in a very good space.

Good luck when you do drop.

Tom

[Edit; when I split from my fiancee back in April I had to sell a house, buy a house and move. I've buried what happened, because I had to move quickly. I'm actually feeling pretty good because I consider I've escaped from her. The thing that bothers me the most is the 2 dogs and 2 cats I'll probably not see very often]

 

[weedemon]

thankd for the info getting lifted! (and everyone else for their input too of course)

With regards as to weather it's real or not, my friend is at home tripping on it right now (he's with family and safe don't worry). well it' was starting last time i talked to him. he had never done it before but described it as: He is super interested in figureing out what is happeneing every second, and then the next second the same thing all over again. he feels some stomach unrest, like he feels gassy. He described it as tasting like some sort of heavy metal and really really strong tasting.

regarding what it looks like:

it's 8 hits, 2 squares of paper about 1cm square i'd say (maybe a little bit bigger than that). these are perforated and divided into quadrants, each one being a hit we were told. there is a green alien head on the front of the tab. and on the back it's jsut white paper with little yellow dots to be seen here and there on the bottom of the tabs.

 

[lwien]

I've dropped acid over a hundred times back in the late 60's, early 70's and I totally agree with what most have said here including what Tom said above.

Dropping acid "can" be a fantastic learning experience, and can open up a whole new way of looking at things, but..............you NEED to be in the right frame of mind (relaxed, stress free and open) along with surroundings and a close "experienced" friend or friends that will enhance your experience rather than get in the way of it.

I don't know what is being passed off as acid today. When I took it, it came straight from the Owsley labs and was VERY, VERY pure. I urge you to make sure that you know the chemist that made it, or at the very least, make sure that you can trust your source and have talked to people who have taken the exact same batch. It's powerful enough that you don't want to take this lightly. But...........once you've made the decision to do this, just relax and enjoy the ride.

 

[weedemon]

sounds like solid advice too lwien, We did manage to talk to a guy who had taken some a few nights earlier that was there actually. knowing that also made me feel more comfortable knowing he was still there to tell the tale

un fortunately there is no way to find out the chemist who made it. but the guy i grabbed from is a very well connected dealer in a major city. I trust his word.

 

[djonkoman]

I'm no expert(only took truffles once, and recently mdma, but that's no hallucinogen/psychedelic)

i just wanted to point out that 3,4-methylenedioxymethamphetamine aka MDMA is a psychedelic amphetamine. so it is actually a psychedelic. which is why everyone brings glowsticks and such to raves so they can watch the "psychedelic tracers" come off them.

if i were you, id stay clear away from mdma, almost everyone ends up abusing it, and the neurotoxicity involved is crazy. obviously not gonna kill you from a few uses, but ive seen people really fuck themselves up on it, serotonin syndrome, feeling like they were gonna die for weeks, just keep it a rarity if you decide to dabble with it again. i went kinda crazy on it durring my synthetic drug days, not to say i didnt love it, its just not worth the damage.

also theres a huge problem here in florida with people selling various research chemicals as real mdma. if you do decide to dabble with e-pills or pure mdma for that matter you should look into buying a test kit to see if it really is the real deal. also, not gonna give the site out but if you google "pill reports" there is a huge list of all the popular pressed pills being circulated and whats truely in them. ive tested a few in my day and its scary that sometimes they wouldnt even contain much mdma, if any at all. there is plenty of other nasty shit out there people put in in place of mdma, its really gross. if youre gonna do it, buy pure mdma and test it. (not trying to encourage drug use, just trying to educate people for safer drug use if they choose to) its not like with weed where its obivous to tell its real weed, just because someone says its something doesnt make it so, sometimes the supplier doesnt even know they have fakes or other nasty shit cut in their supply.

not trying to sound like your daddy, just trying to enlighten yourself on the subject or anyone else that stumbles onto this post.

ah ok didn't know it was a psychedelic
what I had was probably pure orvery close to it, the friend who let me participate for free said he was there when they received the crystal and broke it up/grinded it, and he said one of our friends put a little in a cig and it burned or tingled in the throat or so something that only happens with at least 80% pure according to him
ours was powder/crystals btw(looks like powder but feels like crystals), no pills


and I was probably less senitive to it as my friends, they all got visuals, so I took one last big lick to get the full effect(visuals), but when it hit me it just made me sober, suddenly all effect was gone
and weed also didn't have any effect on me(I tried smoking a bowl like I did when it first hit me since then it helped me to get that sober feeling away)
so it's a weird drug, never had that before with anything that it could make me suddenly completely sober
and I wouldn't ever do it on a party/rave, I think it's far more suitable for meditation or being with a small group of friends(our group was already to big to my liking si I soent most of the night talking with one friend while the others were acting like morons downhill)
alcohol is a far better partydrug IMO

not planning on doing it again, far too boring to my taste, luckily I had weed because without weed it would've been a very boring and annoying night(the mdma made me feel mentally extra sober but also more serious and not into humor, and more easily irritated and agitated, feeling like I could become agressive way easier etc)
from truffles I'm still telling people how awesome it is, so I'll try to get shrooms in the next few weeks, probably way more fun as MDMA

btw, how many times mdma is too much you think?
that friend who gave it to me took it on party I gave 1st of july, the next day too(but he said it counts as one trip since he just stayed high on mdma 2 days long), and the time we took it together was only 1-2 weeks after that
and he also doesn't eat healthy... the morning after the mdma(with no sleeping in between), I tried to motivate them to make breakfast since I really need my breakfast to start the day
wich turned out to be hard so I just went downstairs n my own to bake some eggs, had to go to the dentist soon after that so I was kind of in a hurry(luckily my dentist lives in the house next to that friend)
so I asked him if he didn't want breakfast, he said that lately he often doesn't eat for days and then eats a lot for 1 day
ofcourse it's his life, but I just don't understand how he can live like that... I need my meals
and it looks to me that the combination no eating and often harddrugs isn't such a good one

 

[jeffp]

sounds like solid advice too lwien, We did manage to talk to a guy who had taken some a few nights earlier that was there actually. knowing that also made me feel more comfortable knowing he was still there to tell the tale

un fortunately there is no way to find out the chemist who made it. but the guy i grabbed from is a very well connected dealer in a major city. I trust his word.

Don't know if your source is any kind of authority on what is real LSD or if he/she would know the difference. As Lwien describes, what we got back in the day was pretty much always real LSD. I have no idea what's out there today. That said, I would probably never do LSD again; I've done it close to 100 times through the late sixties to mid seventies as well.
I feel that with LSD you never really return. You land; lucidity does return, but you land in a different place than where you took off from. Mushrooms were equally revelatory to me. The experience is as described in this thread and a good analogy is that it's like a Chinese finger puzzle - if you try and resist you will be stuck. Also you really won't know what your true mental state is until your subconscious is totally lit up; you may intellectually cognize that you're OK but down the rabbit hole the truth comes out.
You ought to read a couple of classic books on the subject. Check out "Be Here Now" by Ram Dass - it's about LSD and beyond LSD. Acid can open a door but it can't give you a room to live in. Above all consider the possible ignorance of your source. Mushrooms are probably a safer direction in my opinion.

 

[SD_haze]

I have no idea what's out there today.

The most popular thing "street acid" nowadays is sold as (that isn't LSD) is a DOx chemical like DOb, DOi, DOc, etc

These are the only drugs that are
-cheaper/easier to make than LSD
-are active at low enough dose to go on blotter/sugar cube/etc
-last long enough to mimic LSD
-and of course, they're psychedelic.

In actuality, they're psychedelic amphetamines that are much much lamer and more dangerous/unhealthy compared to real lysgeric acid.

The best way to know the first time that you got this instead of LSD is the duration. If it lasts longer than 12 hours on a normal dose then it wasn't LSD. I've been tricked a few times with the longest one rounding out at about 22-24 hours.

Also, if you're getting lots of muscle cramps and weird soreness, thats another side effect as it seriously screws with your blood circulation (if you're prone to bad circulation it can make this drug extremely dangerous)

 

[lwien]

^^ Yeah, I figured as much and is the reason that like Jeff said above, I don't think I'd ever take it again unless I knew who made it.

When we used to get Owsley, it wasn't even on a blotter or window pane. It was just a straight liquid in a small vial so we'd just dip in a needle or a pin and lick it off. Anything thicker than a needle or a pin, and it could get rather intense. Some VERY good times and two or three that I could have done without.

 

[weedemon]

damn dude. thanks for you reply
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here is what my buddy explained to me about his experience:

- tastes like a really really strong metal taste when her put it under the tongue.

- the blotter paper has little chalkish yellow dots on the bottom of the paper. (we were told this was the acid itself)

- did not feel overcome with emotions when on it. was getting visuals. but he was able to control them more or less

- he loves horror so he watch 3 horror movies, and played the new game fear 3 on it. didn'tget freaked out, had a good time.

- was unable to sleep that night at all. (he took it at 4 in the afternoon) He even had trouble getting to sleep the NEXT night too. said he was up till 2 am still before he was able to pass out.

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he said it was really enjoyable and he would do it again. DO you guys think based on that info it was real or the fake stuff? i realize that this probably isn't enough info to go off of. but any input is still welcome.

the fact he was up for 2 days on it tells me something is fishy. but what do i know?

regarding the source: he told us acid was one drug he will never personally do. he can just get it. (supposedly)

 

[djonkoman]

I wonder... is the not being able to sleep a common favtor among psychedelics?
I had the same with truffles, I wanted to sleep and was my regular time for sleeping, effect was mostly over, but I just couldn't sleep

 

[Abysmal Vapor]

I did some yesterday on a mountain trip... Acid is the mother of all dope you will never go wrong with it..
The best part of my trip was in highest kick of acid i did a pipe of salvia extract 60 x standartized .with some honey oil .. and i saw the world shredded to diamonds.. full of multidimensional bubbles ... Reminded me of DMT experience.. If you not a scare ass and you wanna see some real beauties,.. i recommend double drop or combo acid + candy/salvia/cacti/elemi... Superfoods work great on acid.. make an energy potion with ... super foods.. , i love bee polen.. lemon juice + maca root + barley grass green powder,goji berries , elderberry jam,kavcha,bakopa.. (this one has l-dopa)
Thats like fuel for the brain and enchances the trip... in more positive and visual way..
Nootropics + LSD leads to some serious mind exapansion...

 

[weedemon]

with shrooms you can't fall asleep right away after. too.

a combo sounds interesting abysmal, but for my first time i would only do 1 so i know what it feels like itself.

 

[lwien]

Acid is the mother of all dope you will never go wrong with it..

WRONG !! You very well COULD go wrong with it. Proceed with caution.

 

[weedemon]

lwien, based on what my friend has told me would you say this sounds like the real deal? does it taste metallic? can you fall asleep the next day at least?

 

[stroh]

as my experience with LSD is not nearly as vast as lwien's or jeffp's or gettin lifted's knowledge, i cannot come to an exact conclusion, but every single blotter or candy i have had did not have a "metallic" taste, but rather a very subtle, almost bitter taste to it. the yellow dots also seem strange, every time i have gotten plain, un-perforated blotter, it has always been completely white, with no evidence of any residue of any kind. When being lain, a crystal of LSD is usually dissolved in some high proof alcohol in a tray, and then blotter is placed into that and the LSD absorbed. to my knowledge, there shouldn't be any leftover residue, but i could be wrong, or the person who laid the cid could have been sloppy?

the not sleeping part seems pretty spot on, at least for the night you take it. i was always able to fall asleep just fine the next day