AirVape Legacy Pro

[vandalizedbythelotus]

@felvapes how am i missing it? aren't we both saying i doesn't fully close because of tension from the silicone seal? doesn't this mean either the hinge or the cover tilts or flexes from tension on one end because it's only fixed in the middle?

i'm still going to purchase it but i'd like the lid to sit flush in future iterations, i don't understand why this idea is so controversial to you.

 

[felvapes]

@felvapes how am i missing it? aren't we both saying i doesn't fully close because of tension from the silicone seal? doesn't this mean either the hinge or the cover tilts or flexes from tension on one end because it's only fixed in the middle?

i'm still going to purchase it but i'd like the lid to sit flush in future iterations, i don't understand why this idea is so controversial to you.

You are not understanding
The door - again - does not flex, it is solid

The door is removable - so the hinge is clicked in and out of place - this has needed adjusting for those that had a leaky airpath
It will seat correctly if adjusted - and if it doesn't they will replace

The issue you are not comprehendimg from my description is that if you squash the door down flat - with your hands, or by using latches on the ends instead of the middle, or any other method - you then close the top of the silicone on the door against the peek path between the oven and hole and the vapour has no where to go because you block your airpath
If I could take pictures to show you with arrows how it works I would

But squashing the door flat on that end will squash the silicone walls and the unit will not function anymore as you have blocked your airpath

 

[666Honeybadger]

You are not understanding

Or maybe you are not understanding what @vandalizedbythelotus is saying?

If it sits open 'by default' like you seem to imply...
If it even has to (?) leave a little opening so the internals/airflow don't get blocked by forcing it to fully close?

Well.... then that is a design flaw.
LoL, i'm sorry but that's just what it is...
Especially on a unit that has a very crisp design.

It should be designed/manufactured so it is closes flush imho.
With no nooks or crannies that can be pushed to close (intentional or not)... Looks better, no? Doesn't invite people to try and force it to fully closed position, right?

Btw: other users seem to be saying that their unit performs better when pushed to close so i am a little confused to say the least...

Edit: it's a bit like the OG TM: it had light leaking from the bottom plate if i read correct?
Well: they changed that in TM2 because that's how it goes with flaws like that so the suggestion to solve it in future updates is valid imo...

 

[felvapes]

Or maybe you are not understanding what @vandalizedbythelotus is saying?

If it sits open 'by default' like you seem to imply...
If it even has to (?) leave a little opening so the internals/airflow don't get blocked by forcing it to fully close?

Well.... then that is a design flaw.
LoL, i'm sorry but that's just what it is...
Especially on a unit that has a very crisp design.

It should be designed/manufactured so it is closes flush imho.
With no nooks or crannies that can be pushed to close (intentional or not)... Looks better, no? Doesn't invite people to try and force it to fully closed position, right?

Btw: other users seem to be saying that their unit performs better when pushed to close so i am a little confused to say the least...

Edit: it's a bit like the OG TM: it had light leaking from the bottom plate if i read correct?
Well: they changed that in TM2 because that's how it goes with flaws like that so the suggestion to solve it in future updates is valid imo...

So you also haven't read and understood my posts or @Gary-Airvape /Bernadette response to this

The few people who have a unit that leaks air if they block the intake holes (or it works better when squeezing closed) need to adjust the door that is removable on the hinge and click it into place so it seats correctly over the airpath
I know of two people who had to do this, and then the couple of people above

The unit if the door is put in place correctly will not leak air when you block the intake holes
In fact if you squeeze the door shut when it is positioned correctly it will block the airpath as you squash two flat surfaces together and prevent any air or vapour going anywhere

The OG TM had a circuit board and solder in the airpath - the light leaking was the least of your worries
The new one has an isolated airpath (although on Reddit one guy had his burn up in smoke yesterday - TM replaced it apparently and I heard he was asked to remove the post lol)

Anyway
Even if it were to be made completely flush - the solution is not what has been suggested and this is what I have been trying to convey - but some people keep debating the issue and almost purposefully missing the point
If it was to be fixed the entire mould of PEEK around the oven will have to make a mm lower - that will also mean you bowl will be a mm lower/smaller

Or you could take that mm from the door - but that will make the door thinner and possibly make it flex which has already been raised as a no no by people

It may be a fix they could incorporate into an ALP 2
But I don't see it being something the factory will be able to change in an instant for this model
As the entire production and moulds would need changing

 

[vandalizedbythelotus]

You are not understanding
The door - again - does not flex, it is solid

The door is removable - so the hinge is clicked in and out of place - this has needed adjusting for those that had a leaky airpath
It will seat correctly if adjusted - and if it doesn't they will replace

The issue you are not comprehendimg from my description is that if you squash the door down flat - with your hands, or by using latches on the ends instead of the middle, or any other method - you then close the top of the silicone on the door against the peek path between the oven and hole and the vapour has no where to go because you block your airpath
If I could take pictures to show you with arrows how it works I would

But squashing the door flat on that end will squash the silicone walls and the unit will not function anymore as you have blocked your airpath

if the door is solid then the hinge is not tight enough, either way the cover tilts from (the design oversight) having tension on one end, and retention mechanism in the center. i understand that forcing it shut closes up the airpath that's part of the design flaw.

all i'm saying is the cover should sit flush, and not ruin an otherwise tight looking design.
this is feedback for future iterations but i can imagine a fix for the current one is possible with a minor rework to the cover or even the silicone seal.

thank you! @666Honeybadger

 

[666Honeybadger]

If it was to be fixed the entire mould of PEEK around the oven will have to make a mm lower - that will also mean you bowl will be a mm lower/smaller

Or you could take that mm from the door - but that will make the door thinner and possibly make it flex which has already been raised as a no no by people

So on the next version they can look into these options to find a way to make everything sit nice and flush.
Cause there's class in a Royal flush!

It may be a fix they could incorporate into an ALP 2

But then we are there, no!?
That's what was suggested in the first place i think?
I don't think anybody expected them to change it on the current model since it's already out there. And like you say: it's quite marginal and purely design if it works like intended. But it should be something to consider on a next version of the device!


Edit:

The OG TM had a circuit board and solder in the airpath - the light leaking was the least of your worries

I used the light leaking as example since that was also a minor flaw. Flaws regarding airpath are in a different league i guess.
Could have used the battery lid aswell: that was a non issue for some but a gripe for others so they changed it in the gen 2. I feel that this "door-flaw" is somewhat comparable?

 

[felvapes]

if the door is solid then the hinge is not tight enough, either way the cover tilts from (the design oversight) having tension on one end, and retention mechanism in the center. i understand that forcing it shut closes up the airpath that's part of the design flaw.

all i'm saying is the cover should sit flush, and not ruin an otherwise tight looking design.
this is feedback for future iterations but i can imagine a fix for the current one is possible with a minor rework to the cover or even the silicone seal.

thank you! @666Honeybadger

The hinge also works fine
I have not been arguing mate and I think you mistake every msg
I have been trying to explain to you what and why it's happening and that what you say is a flaw - isn't the flaw
If it was to be fixed the issue needs to be the spacing inside - not the hinge or latches
Changing the latches or hinge will stop it working in it's current form
The fix is probably the door recess where the silicone lives needs to be a tiny bit lower so it pushes against the peek with less pressure
But you do risk not getting a full seal at some point
If you adjust the door and just squish the silicone too much - it will need replacing more often as it's so thin and silicone tends to deform over time a bit with use

So on the next version they can look into these options to find a way to make everything sit nice and flush.
Cause there's class in a Royal flush!


But then we are there, no!?
That's what was suggested in the first place i think?
I don't think anybody expected them to change it on the current model since it's already out there. And like you say: it's quite marginal and purely design if it works like intended. But it should be something to consider on a next version of the device!


Edit:



I used the light leaking as example since that was also a minor flaw. Flaws regarding airpath are in a different league i guess.
Could have used the battery lid aswell: that was a non issue for some but a gripe for others so they changed it in the gen 2. I feel that this "door-flaw" is somewhat comparable?

I agree with all this post pretty much
Not sure why the deabte myself tbh
I haven't been arguing at all
Just trying to point out the correct issue and what will or won't help address said issue atm
I was defining the "flaw" as opposed to arguing if it existed
No hard feelings or ill intent on this end

 

[RAG]

Does anyone have experience using hash on the ALP? Not talking about concentrates or wax, just simple hash. Here in brazil it's very common and I love it in the dynavap and arizer EQ.

If you have experience with it please tell me some tips on how you do it!

The ALP has become my go to machine to extract Commercial Hash, ICE (high quality like slite for example in all pulls 1,2 and third), Rosin, Hash Rosin with a bit of degummed hemp fibre or sandwiched between some weed. Absolutely love it for this specific usage.

 

[OyVape]

I tried wiggling the door around a bit but without knowing how to safely remove it, I don’t want to break it. Can you post a video here or on youtube of how to do it?

 

[felvapes]

I tried wiggling the door around a bit but without knowing how to safely remove it, I don’t want to break it. Can you post a video here or on youtube of how to do it?

I haven't removed my door
Somewhere many pages ago in this thread it was discussed that it was removable that's where I first learnt of it
But I have spoken to one person who didn't remove their door - but they had the air leak issue and just wriggled the door about until it sat in the right position and it has not been an issue since
It would only be just off where it is meant to be
If you can't get a seal easily contact CS and they'll sort you out - I saw another person who had contacted them about this and fixed the issue with CS but another device was sent in the meantime anyway

 

[EarthworldTim]

I tried wiggling the door around a bit but without knowing how to safely remove it, I don’t want to break it. Can you post a video here or on youtube of how to do it?

The door is held in place with a spring loaded pin, similar to the kind that watch bands use. If you open the door and push up or down just a bit(see if you can feel more give in one direction) you can probably wiggle it free. If the door is too loose or wobbly I would imagine a new pin with a stronger/uncompromised spring would likely solve that.

 

[MagnumMafia05]

Open the door and look at the pin. There is a pin hole you pull downward to release.

 

[Gary-Airvape]

I tried wiggling the door around a bit but without knowing how to safely remove it, I don’t want to break it. Can you post a video here or on youtube of how to do it?

We do not recommend wiggling the door as it may remove the pin which is irreplaceable at the moment.

 

[vandalizedbythelotus]

@Gary-Airvape please clear this up for me. are you saying the cover pictured here closing perfectly flush in your ad,
is in reality not supposed to sit flush but slightly raised on the bottom there?

 

[felvapes]

@Gary-Airvape please clear this up for me. are you saying the cover pictured here closing perfectly flush in your ad,
is in reality not supposed to sit flush but slightly raised on the bottom there?

That part at the bottom isn't like that at all
That must be a CGI pic?
In that pic there is an extra "lip" of plastic above the seam of faux leather that sits flush
That extra lip is not on the vape at all and it is like the side is in the pic (although that is a tiny bit different too)

Must be a CGI pic as it differs a tiny bit from what I have here
If I could post pics here I'd show you what I mean
Freshly ballered up and probably didn't explain properly

 

[vandalizedbythelotus]

That part at the bottom isn't like that at all
That must be a CGI pic?
In that pic there is an extra "lip" of plastic above the seam of faux leather that sits flush
That extra lip is not on the vape at all and it is like the side is in the pic (although that is a tiny bit different too)

Must be a CGI pic as it differs a tiny bit from what I have here
If I could post pics here I'd show you what I mean
Freshly ballered up and probably didn't explain properly

hmm i think it's the non pro legacy.. i'll try to find a pro on the site from this angle but as far as i can tell it still looks flush in the promo material.
i use imgbb for pics and i just paste the link from there already properly (bbcode) formatted.

 

[felvapes]

hmm i think it's the non pro legacy.. i'll try to find a pro on the site from this angle but as far as i can tell it still looks flush in the promo material.
i use imgbb for pics and i just paste the link from there already properly (bbcode) formatted.

That would make sense as to why it looks so different then lol
Wrong vape

 

[Gary-Airvape]

The bottom part is slightly raised! Not flushing. Due to the silicon parts making the seal. The bottom line is this: Sometimes, some units have faults. We are changing all units if it is not working correctly.
Please, if you feel your product is not working well, you need to hold down the door or such; email cs@airvapeusa.com, and we will take care of it.
We work on improvements all the time and make sure customers are happy.

 

[vandalizedbythelotus]

That would make sense as to why it looks so different then lol
Wrong vape

https://airvape.eu/product/airvape-legacy-pro/ it's the video ad from this page under
"

IN BETTER SHAPE THAN EVER​

The curved edges make the PROs’ shape much sexier. The matte black finish with full black textile and leather with the gold accent also complements the look that hides the high standard of technology inside.

Check out our ad"

@Gary-Airvape thank you! please consider improving the silicone seal design/mold in order to allow the door to sit flush. perhaps just slightly decreasing it's base thickness might do it. or check which section of the seal exactly (considering the cover is curved) prevents flush closing and adjust that. i'll probably understand it better when i get it in my hands.

 

[felvapes]

https://airvape.eu/product/airvape-legacy-pro/ it's the video ad from this page under
"

IN BETTER SHAPE THAN EVER​

The curved edges make the PROs’ shape much sexier. The matte black finish with full black textile and leather with the gold accent also complements the look that hides the high standard of technology inside.

Check out our ad"

@Gary-Airvape thank you! please consider improving the silicone seal design/mold in order to allow the door to sit flush. perhaps just slightly decreasing it's base thickness might do it. or check which section of the seal exactly (considering the cover is curved) prevents flush closing and adjust that. i'll probably understand it better when i get it in my hands.

I really do think you need to have one in your hands to be so invested in this "issue"
It looks great and is not wonky or at some weird looking angle
It looks slick and smooth
You don't even notice unless full hardout nitpicking
The only problem imo is if it doesn't seal as discussed over and over already

If you own one and are unhappy with how it looks and feels, okay then speak up
If not - maybe it isn't as bad as you are imagining - there's a lot of pictures in the reviews on the Airvape page - those pictures on all those reviews look like mine - schmicko .

 

[vandalizedbythelotus]

I really do think you need to have one in your hands to be so invested in this "issue"
It looks great and is not wonky or at some weird looking angle
It looks slick and smooth
You don't even notice unless full hardout nitpicking
The only problem imo is if it doesn't seal as discussed over and over already

If you own one and are unhappy with how it looks and feels, okay then speak up
If not - maybe it isn't as bad as you are imagining - there's a lot of pictures in the reviews on the Airvape page - those pictures on all those reviews look like mine - schmicko .

unfortunately i'm one of those nitpicky maniacs who'd rather buy 10 dynavaps instead of a mighty. also made a fuss over cosmetic issues with one of my omnivaps so yeah i have very high standards for what i'll use and promote to my friends.

hopefully it's not as bad as it sounds, but i'll still reserve the right to speak up now if i see a potential issue. i really want to avoid returning used devices, that's a big part of why i mainly stick with mechanical vapes. i'm sorry if this sounds harsh, but door not closing flush doesn't exactly scream premium to me..

 

[felvapes]

unfortunately i'm one of those nitpicky maniacs who'd rather buy 10 dynavaps instead of a mighty. also made a fuss over cosmetic issues with one of my omnivaps so yeah i have very high standards for what i'll use and promote to my friends.

hopefully it's not as bad as it sounds, but i'll still reserve the right to speak up now if i see a potential issue. i really want to avoid returning used devices, that's a big part of why i mainly stick with mechanical vapes. i'm sorry if this sounds harsh, but door not closing flush doesn't exactly scream premium to me..

Check the reviews on the page
Those are what yours will look like if you buy one
I don't think buying this and then saying you don't like the door is a great refund reason if it functions and looks like mine
But checking the pictures in the reviews means you have an idea what it looks like and what you will buy so you can't blame the cgi

This really has taken up much too much space in the thread - and you've never held or used one or seen one
People who have one have only mentioned the "issue" when theirs leaked and it affects the function
Otherwise it is a great looking vape and it functions

 

[vandalizedbythelotus]

Check the reviews on the page
Those are what yours will look like if you buy one
I don't think buying this and then saying you don't like the door is a great refund reason if it functions and looks like mine
But checking the pictures in the reviews means you have an idea what it looks like and what you will buy so you can't blame the cgi

This really has taken up much too much space in the thread - and you've never held or used one or seen one
People who have one have only mentioned the "issue" when theirs leaked and it affects the function
Otherwise it is a great looking vape and it functions

but i'm also concerned with form not just function in a "premium" device, and i'm trying to avoid the potential hassle of a return by getting as much info as possible before a purchase. haven't found a pic in the reviews page of that detail visible from the side or bottom, only top down pics.

thankfully we have customer protection laws here in the EU allowing returns without any reason for online purchases. but in this case, if the door doesn't fully close as it appears to in the promo material, that in itself is just reason for a refund.

 

[someTooL]

Having one in hand, @felvapes posts are spot on. The screen hack is ingenious and improves the overall function and maintenance of the device.

If a user has the device and uses the screen hack, the screen MUST sit inside the oven to allow the seal. Too big of a screen on TOP of the oven will not allow a good seal.

Just my experience having in hand.

 

[vandalizedbythelotus]

Having one in hand, @felvapes posts are spot on. The screen hack is ingenious and improves the overall function and maintenance of the device.

If a user has the device and uses the screen hack, the screen MUST sit inside the oven to allow the seal. Too big of a screen on TOP of the oven will not allow a good seal.

Just my experience having in hand.

but does the door on your device close flush over the bowl segment or not? if not how large/noticeable is the gap there on the bottom?
could someone please post a closeup pic of it from a good angle (side/bottoom)?
i understand the messiness of the device can be solved with the screen hack until the more elegant caps solution is finally released.